Government contracting model for public bus industry
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Originally posted by CB2883J:
The Public Transport Wordpress Article for Alexander Dennis Enviro500 mentions in a table that Enviro500s are going to be registered SG5001C onwards. But earlier I heard that SG500x is B9TL for now (All Enviro500s now are with SMB plate). So which one is correct?
B9TL uses SG500X..alr quite a few unit spotted with that rego..
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Originally posted by SBS3975T:
yes. i am just wondering cos actually i realised, it's possible to standardise seat covers since all using vogelsitze the system 750 or what. the qn is when will start standardising that, if ever.
The Citaros have proven that you don't need to have the same seat to standardise seat covers. The earliest opportunity I can see LTA doing any sort of standarising of interior fittings will be during a mid life refurbishment, usually after around 10 years of service. They can choose not to do so if they don't think its worth it.
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Originally posted by SBS351M:
The Citaros have proven that you don't need to have the same seat to standardise seat covers. The earliest opportunity I can see LTA doing any sort of standarising of interior fittings will be during a mid life refurbishment, usually after around 10 years of service. They can choose not to do so if they don't think its worth it.
thanks. i forgot the citaro diff seat but common seat cover with the wrights. yeah MLR is a possibility for changing the covers. but thing is those other parts, sometimes got influence by company colors, like how the wright and citaro grabpoles is purple and seats is reddish. i rmb someone said b4 that it sortof reflects company colors, so will it be awkward lol if LTA buys new GCM wrights that go straight to say TT then interior is very sbs spec
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Originally posted by SBS3975T:
thanks. i forgot the citaro diff seat but common seat cover with the wrights. yeah MLR is a possibility for changing the covers. but thing is those other parts, sometimes got influence by company colors, like how the wright and citaro grabpoles is purple and seats is reddish. i rmb someone said b4 that it sortof reflects company colors, so will it be awkward lol if LTA buys new GCM wrights that go straight to say TT then interior is very sbs spec
The grabpoles are painted/stickered over, so they can remove the colours if they want to. Seat covers can be changed easily too, if they want to prevent wastage they can remove and return the seat covers to SBST/SMRT and LTA could then get a new set of seat covers for the GCM buses.
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Actually, does the livery and interior colour scheme matter?
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Originally posted by jurongresident:
Actually, does the livery and interior colour scheme matter?
Interior colour scheme may not matter as much. Easier to get away with, say, one company operating a bus with another's colours. For livery, also it's pretty clear-cut since it can only go 3 ways:
1) Two existing incumbent liveries retained. Tower Transit takes in SBS-spec buses in SBS livery with TT logo and etc for SMRT.
2) Common livery with only logos to differentiate.
3) SBS, SMRT and TT each own livery, meaning that there will be repainting/restickering when buses are transferred.
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Why not just continue to use SBS Transit livery (and SMRT livery for Enviro500 and MAN A22 and their Citaro), except with the LTA logo and the new operator logo?
Next time, when new buses come in, just use the same SBS Transit livery and colour scheme. Settle. :)
After all, this is just the appearance; Not important. What matters is the standard and quality of the bus service.
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Easier to speculate on matters like appearance mah... lol.
So what you are going for is basically Option 1, then. But in the long term it doesn't work really, imagine if you have 4 foreign operators all using buses with the liveries of 2 companies, who may or may not even win any tender in the hypothetical situation...
I'd imagine that some may be unhappy that SBS and SMRT get more 'exposure' so to speak in terms of livery.
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Actually, SBS and SMRT both used the same livery previously before they use the livery they are using now.
White-top and Red-bottom.
Maybe we can revert to this and use this as the common livery.
To think about it, besides Singapore, which country has used before (or is using) this livery, where the top is white and bottom is red?
I know have la... a simple Google search can find so many buses in red-white livery. But, which other company actually use (used) mostly white and only have a red colour stripe at the bottom?
This is probably something which I think only Singapore can relate to.
If want, we can add a black colour stripe at the bottom like SMRT livery, and some double red colour lines below the window like SBS livery.
a uniquely Singapore livery. :)
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I rather have red top and white bottom.
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I guess I am probably the first one to say/sing this:
" T-O-W-E-R, T-R-A-N, S-I-T.
Let's Go!
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When there's trouble you know who to call,
T___ T___!
From their tower they can see it all,
T___ T___!
When there's evil on the attack,
You can rest knowing they got your back,
Cuz when the world needs heroes on patrol
T___ T___ go!
1 2 3 4 go!
T___ T___! "
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Originally posted by jurongresident:
I guess I am probably the first one to say/sing this:
" T-O-W-E-R, T-R-A-N, S-I-T.
T___ T___, Let's Go!
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When there's trouble you know who to call,
T___ T___!
From their tower they can see it all,
T___ T___!
When there's evil on the attack,
You can rest knowing they got your back,
Cuz when the world needs heroes on patrol
T___ T___ go!
1 2 3 4 go!
T___ T___! "
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Originally posted by jurongresident:
Yes, I think bus companies operating the bus services in the GCM (Government Contracting Model) are allowed to use the BSEP (Bus Services Enhancement Programme) buses to generate advertising revenue. If I remember correctly, they are also allowed to advertise a larger portion of the bus than what is allowed in the current model.
So next time we can see buses running around with ad covering the front also?
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Originally posted by jurongresident:
Actually, SBS and SMRT both used the same livery previously before they use the livery they are using now.
White-top and Red-bottom.
Maybe we can revert to this and use this as the common livery.
To think about it, besides Singapore, which country has used before (or is using) this livery, where the top is white and bottom is red?
I know have la... a simple Google search can find so many buses in red-white livery. But, which other company actually use (used) mostly white and only have a red colour stripe at the bottom?
This is probably something which I think only Singapore can relate to.
If want, we can add a black colour stripe at the bottom like SMRT livery, and some double red colour lines below the window like SBS livery.
a uniquely Singapore livery. :)
Transit Link (JB and PG) used similar livery in the good old days too.
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What will happen to those dual-depot controlled services? Will they have to be controlled by one depot only?
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Originally posted by TheVictoRyan:
What will happen to those dual-depot controlled services? Will they have to be controlled by one depot only?
sekali is become like HK style... two operators for same service
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Originally posted by SBS3975T:
sekali is become like HK style... two operators for same service
Hong Kong have ah? I nv been to HK, so I dunno abt the bus services there.
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Originally posted by SBS 9256 X:
Hong Kong have ah? I nv been to HK, so I dunno abt the bus services there.
It is true, especially for what they call Cross-Harbour routes. Since the bus companies are based in either Hong Kong Island's side or Kowloon's side, the routes that cross the harbour are often operated jointly by both sides' bus companies. For example Citybus on the HK side and KMB on the Kowloon side, Citybus has routes in Kowloon and KMB has some routes in HK, but for routes such as 619, they operate the route together.
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Originally posted by CB2883J:
It is true, especially for what they call Cross-Harbour routes. Since the bus companies are based in either Hong Kong Island's side or Kowloon's side, the routes that cross the harbour are often operated jointly by both sides' bus companies. For example Citybus on the HK side and KMB on the Kowloon side, Citybus has routes in Kowloon and KMB has some routes in HK, but for routes such as 619, they operate the route together.
One very important thing to consider in the joint-operation of services is the allocation of resources from each company as well as revenue sharing.
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Originally posted by TIB868X:
One very important thing to consider in the joint-operation of services is the allocation of resources from each company as well as revenue sharing.
I agree, it is difficult to manage a joint-operated bus route. This HK wikia page breaks down how it is done in HK (in Traditional Chinese):
http://hkbus.wikia.com/wiki/%E8%81%AF%E7%87%9F%E7%B7%9A
I wouldn't recommend it for Singapore. It is too complex and too much stuffs to handle, especially when they hand over the packages to different operators at the end of the contract. Allocation of resources and revenue sharing are some problems but not the only problems. There will be problems with dispatch timings, but at least not as bad as Hong Kong since we are under GCM. In Hong Kong, they worry about things like their version of iris will not work well with 2 different companies' buses. Here, we do not need to worry since stop arrival times are synced with LTA. Still, I think joint operation is too much for us to handle just yet.
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Originally posted by CB2883J:
I agree, it is difficult to manage a joint-operated bus route. This HK wikia page breaks down how it is done in HK (in Traditional Chinese):
http://hkbus.wikia.com/wiki/%E8%81%AF%E7%87%9F%E7%B7%9A
I wouldn't recommend it for Singapore. It is too complex and too much stuffs to handle, especially when they hand over the packages to different operators at the end of the contract. Allocation of resources and revenue sharing are some problems but not the only problems. There will be problems with dispatch timings, but at least not as bad as Hong Kong since we are under GCM. In Hong Kong, they worry about things like their version of iris will not work well with 2 different companies' buses. Here, we do not need to worry since stop arrival times are synced with LTA. Still, I think joint operation is too much for us to handle just yet.
liddat then what u suggest
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Originally posted by SBS3975T:
liddat then what u suggest
Right now I would suggest a revert to single depot control, but I acknowledge that may be unfeasible. In order to formulate a good answer, I would have to understand the main reasons for dual depot control in the first place. Then I can give a proper suggestion as to how to resolve the issue of dual depot controlled services under GCM.
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Originally posted by CB2883J:
Right now I would suggest a revert to single depot control, but I acknowledge that may be unfeasible. In order to formulate a good answer, I would have to understand the main reasons for dual depot control in the first place. Then I can give a proper suggestion as to how to resolve the issue of dual depot controlled services under GCM.
revert maybe possible. i read on ptsg that sv 50 under bsep is ddc then will revert to amdep instead of becoming part of loyang package. cos it was under bsep then ddc but this is before gcm come out. so maybe cos they also dk what to do with it and gcm so they just AMK it
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Originally posted by CB2883J:
Right now I would suggest a revert to single depot control, but I acknowledge that may be unfeasible. In order to formulate a good answer, I would have to understand the main reasons for dual depot control in the first place. Then I can give a proper suggestion as to how to resolve the issue of dual depot controlled services under GCM.
It occurs to me that dead mileage might not be such a big problem to PTOs after all (although right now the number of services with that problem is not that many, some examples include services 13, 48 and 969).
Also, I am quite sure that the cost of dead mileage is a factor that must be taken into account in all bids under GCM.
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The much-anticipated common livery will be unveiled in the "A Bulim Carnival Day" event to be organised by the Tower Transit on Sunday, Dec 6, 2015, 10:00 am to 04:00 pm, at the Bulim Bus Depot.
Anyway, if it's only to see the common livery, do not bother going. It's probably going to be shared on leading websites and Facebook pages about bus services anyway. So what for waste time go there?
By the way, "Bus Wrap" means bus advertisement. Do not be fooled by the word. It's only the advertisement, not the livery.
All these and more can be found at https://www.eventnook.com/event/abulimcarnivalday/Frequently-Asked-Questions