Originally posted by SG5001C:Reserved for SBS/SMRT only until 2022. After 2022, if nothing changes, the "all the rest" will be tendered out also.
Hi mr SG5001C, yes you are right. But others are thinking the 12 contracts will be tendered out based on competition right away. Anyway after yr 2022, I believe foreign operators may not be that keen on this tender because they may feel it is not that lucrative as what they have initially thought to be. I foresee some withdrawals by them after yr 2022. Cheers. Thanks.
Hoping that Tower Transit will win Seletar and Go Ahead wins Ulu Pandan while the rest is spread between SBST(Majority) and SMRTB(Minority)
Originally posted by carbikebus:Hoping that Tower Transit will win Seletar and Go Ahead wins Ulu Pandan while the rest is spread between SBST(Majority) and SMRTB(Minority)
Hi mr carbikebus, only 1 more will be tendered. The remaining 9 will be given to Sbs and smrt. Cheers. Thanks.
Originally posted by carbikebus:Hoping that Tower Transit will win Seletar and Go Ahead wins Ulu Pandan while the rest is spread between SBST(Majority) and SMRTB(Minority)
Hoping that the next two depots requires considerable time for the transition of the SBS and SMRT's buses to the GCM's Tower Transit and Go-Ahead in 2016, before deciding the probable bids for Seletar and Ulu Pandan. By the time the expanded BSEP will cover the requirements for Sungei Seletar and Ulu Pandan, whereas the other buses in Singapore will still keep under the negotiated SBS and SMRT's schemes.
frankly speaking 109 better in Loyang GCM than 136.
Originally posted by dupdup77:Hi mr carbikebus, only 1 more will be tendered. The remaining 9 will be given to Sbs and smrt. Cheers. Thanks.
Yeah,but after their BOL expired in mid 2016 more packages will be tendered gradually
hi guys. i'm new here and i'm abit curious about the bus fleet for go-ahead group since they're gonna take over the services at the area i'm staying at. what are the chances of them using smrt buses for sbs services like 359/386/136 etc etc etc.?? will there be a possible chance of such deployments?
Originally posted by carbikebus:Yeah,but after their BOL expired in mid 2016 more packages will be tendered gradually
The remaining packages will be negotiated contracts that will allow SBS and SMRT to operate for a few more years after their current licences expire. After which, the packages will be tendered out. The year that has been floating around in the press releases is 2022.
salam kenal gan & sist
Originally posted by 4FiguredWalls:hi guys. i'm new here and i'm abit curious about the bus fleet for go-ahead group since they're gonna take over the services at the area i'm staying at. what are the chances of them using smrt buses for sbs services like 359/386/136 etc etc etc.?? will there be a possible chance of such deployments?
if they are going to use the current BSEP buses, it is possible.... cos SBST have only around 667 BSEP buses (based on the press release)... unless they placed new order or bought over more citaros/B9 under the current SBST order...
Bulim GCM's twenty six bus routes will use 367 buses (188 Double-Decker buses and 179 Single-Decker buses) and 750 Bus Captains.
when is LYBP open house? If it is held in 7/16 I might be able to make it. But I bet Service_238 and SBS&Tibs won't be there because I will make them eat their words.
http://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/go-ahead-group-takes-over/2338822.html
SINGAPORE: The Land Transport Authority (LTA) on Friday (Dec 11) said it has handed over Loyang Bus Depot, located off Loyang Avenue, to UK transport operator Go-Ahead Group.
According to LTA, the handover of the depot enables the operator to prepare for operations, as well as recruit and train bus captains and technicians, to support a smooth transition.
Developed and funded by the Government, the Loyang Bus Depot is leased to Go-Ahead Group under the bus contracting model. The provision of bus depots, among other bus assets, lowers the entry barriers for new operators, which in turn facilitates greater competition in the public bus industry.
Go-Ahead Singapore transition director Nigel Wood said: “The large, well-located depot is ideal for our bus services from Pasir Ris, Punggol, as well as Changi, to other locations such as Tampines, Bedok, and Sengkang.
“We plan to enhance it further with interior refurbishments to create an excellent working environment for our employees, and to equip it to also house a recruitment and training centre."
Loyang Bus Depot, which spans 8.3 hectares, can accommodate about 500 buses. Similar to Bulim Bus Depot, it is equipped with facilities for daily bus operations, such as refuelling and washing, bus repair and maintenance, and amenities for bus captains to rest or eat.
Go-Ahead buses are a familiar sight on London's roads, as the group’s fleet of 2,300 buses account for about 25 per cent of the capital's bus services.
Its service will be heading to Singapore from September next year on several existing and a few new routes, after the Group won a five-year contract last month. The deal will see the Britain-based company operating 25 bus routes in Loyang from the third quarter of 2016. It has said it will need 900 employees.
The company is the second UK transport operator to have won a bus package contract here, after London-based Tower Transit.
How do you think JB-bound routes 160, 170, 170X and 950 will be handled under the GCM?
Originally posted by CB2883J:How do you think JB-bound routes 160, 170, 170X and 950 will be handled under the GCM?
Cross-boarder Bus Services are harder to manage because it is harder to determine how long it takes for the bus to go over to the other side and come back.
I guess they will be in the same package? I do not know.
If cross boarder bus services are also operated in the other countries where bus services are tendered out in contracts, perhaps we may want to learn from them on how they do it.
Originally posted by CB2883J:How do you think JB-bound routes 160, 170, 170X and 950 will be handled under the GCM?
these routes are not covered under GCM.
Cross Border Services (red = SMRT, Purple = SBST, Yellow = Causeway Link, Pink = Advanced Coaches, Black = others)
160, 170, 950, AC7, CW1, CW2, CW3, CW4, CW5, TS1, TS8 and their variants
Jurong Island Services (currently by Woodlands Transport)
715, 716, 718
Originally posted by jurongresident:If cross boarder bus services are also operated in the other countries where bus services are tendered out in contracts, perhaps we may want to learn from them on how they do it.
Interesting to see. If you look at it, all our precedents such as London and Perth do not seem to have cross-border services.
Originally posted by SG5001C:Interesting to see. If you look at it, all our precedents such as London and Perth do not seem to have cross-border services.
That is quite natural if you imagine it. We are likely the first city-state, or at least one of the first, to implement a GCM for our bus transport (most city-states have nationalised or private bus systems). The models we are basing our system on are those of capital cities, or major cities, in large countries, so it is logical that they have no cross-border services - hence we will be setting the precedent ourselves as to cross-border buses in a GCM, correct me if I'm wrong. If anyone knows of existing GCMs with cross-border services, do let me know! I'd be interested to hear about it.
Originally posted by SG5001C:Interesting to see. If you look at it, all our precedents such as London and Perth do not seem to have cross-border services.
Actually, London does have a similar concept (excluding international travel) that remains outside of GCM, while the ones in Perth IIRC are contracted coach services (and increasingly getting cancelled).
Originally posted by iveco:frankly speaking 109 better in Loyang GCM than 136.
Thats what im wondering too but again Amdep also need to relieve some spaces.
Originally posted by carbikebus:Thats what im wondering too but again Amdep also need to relieve some spaces.
109 go to Loyang GCM just nice. To free up more space at AM (& BNDEP) 21 also should go to LYBP. 136 can remain with the incumbent until the next round of tendering.
Would SBST be allowed to use LYBP for the time being as a garage for routes 5, 21, 58, 88 & 109 now that GAG has taken control of the facility?
Originally posted by sgbuses:Actually, London does have a similar concept (excluding international travel) that remains outside of GCM, while the ones in Perth IIRC are contracted coach services (and increasingly getting cancelled).
some TFL routes go to commuter villages in Hertfordshire and Essex, IIRC. The metropolitan tube line also serves the city of Watford, Herts.
Thanks sgbuses and iveco for the info! The read about route 84 is interesting.
However, as relevant as they may be, those examples are merely examples of routes which stretch beyond the GCM's territory. Still relevant as a reference ('�考') for how to handle a route that extends beyond for longer than most others, but I wonder how LTA is going to handle 160, 170, 950 which require the crossing of an international border. Registration with SPAD/LPKP/whatever they call themselves when the time comes... third brake light... company details...
I seem to recall that when SBS operated 170 and rebranded to SBST, the perm 170 buses apparently were the last to repaint, due to regulations and approval/permit from LPKP, or whatever they were called then. Not sure if similar reasons caused the SMRT A22s on 950 to be repainted late, although I hear a repainted A22 has made its way onto 950.
If and when the cross-border services come into GCM, LTA will have to liaise a lot with SPAD, and explain to them the system, I'd imagine...? Or perhaps there's another way? I'd like to hear your thoughts. :)
Originally posted by iveco:Would SBST be allowed to use LYBP for the time being as a garage for routes 5, 21, 58, 88 & 109 now that GAG has taken control of the facility?
I suppose so, since Bulim is offically handed over to TT yet SMRT buses still park there.