Government contracting model for public bus industry
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http://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/rail-financing-framework/1122984.html
Under the bus contracting model, the government will own all buses. However, LTA has not decided whether to buy all existing buses, or acquire them when they are due for replacement.
One concern is the diverse set of buses.
"If the government wants to instead purchase new buses as they become ready for replacement, in some sense this is going to be a process that is a lot more transparent.
"The reason why it will be more transparent is that all the government will have to do is issue a competitive tender to buy a fleet of new buses, and the vehicle manufacturers will then have to submit their bids. So, that might be more transparent than negotiating with the public bus operators to buy over the existing fleet."
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All, anybody knows will our ezylink card be applicable for all types of buses by Yr 2022? Will we still be allowed to go on different types of buses like currently 5 bus services (4 transfers) without any extra payment? Or when other overseas bus companies take over, will we need pay the bus fares separately and our ezylink only applicable on sbs and smrt buses?
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Originally posted by sgbuses:
Sorry, prefer not to reveal in public.
PM me if you don't mind. My side all along Transdev stronghold, from the good old Southern Coast Transit days. -
Originally posted by dupdup77:
All, anybody knows will our ezylink card be applicable for all types of buses by Yr 2022? Will we still be allowed to go on different types of buses like currently 5 bus services (4 transfers) without any extra payment? Or when other overseas bus companies take over, will we need pay the bus fares separately and our ezylink only applicable on sbs and smrt buses?
EZLink system must be made available on ALL public buses, regardless of operator. French transport giant Transdev allows Smart Riders on its buses in Perth. -
The existing bus fare payment works fine, so unless the authorities ve another superior system, it will remain the same.
If it were to change, it should best follow HK's style if flat fare n interchange fares or sector fares on routes...
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Originally posted by dupdup77:
All, anybody knows will our ezylink card be applicable for all types of buses by Yr 2022? Will we still be allowed to go on different types of buses like currently 5 bus services (4 transfers) without any extra payment? Or when other overseas bus companies take over, will we need pay the bus fares separately and our ezylink only applicable on sbs and smrt buses?
Originally posted by Acx1688:The existing bus fare payment works fine, so unless the authorities ve another superior system, it will remain the same.
If it were to change, it should best follow HK's style if flat fare n interchange fares or sector fares on routes...
Actually, I believe when LTA implemented the distance-based fare system in 2010, one of the reasons was to anticipate the switch to contracts model in the public bus services industry, since there is no longer "transfer penalty" and everyone is charged based on distance instead of based on the different "fare stages" set by the different operators. Hence, we should continue to pay bus fares based on distance, when the bus services we take gradually come under the contracts model.
After all, didn't LTA already say that the Government will be the one collecting the revenue, while paying the participating bus companies a fixed amount of money to operate the services?
Meanwhile, when LTA takes over the related infrastructure such as bus interchanges, it would be good if it can create retail spaces to lease and allow advertisements to be pasted on the wall, floor and buses, to collect rental and advertising fees. This could add on to the revenue collected and help LTA turnover the costs (eg. the money it pays to participating bus companies). This could reduce/eliminate the subsidies the Governmnet has on the public bus industry (which means it could collect less tax from us). If it makes profit as a result, it could use the surplus to improve the buses and infrastructure, which would benefit us commuters. One move, Two benefits.
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http://www.straitstimes.com/news/singapore/transport/story/lta-reveals-first-package-bus-routes-tender-be-called-later-year-2014
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Svc 96, 143 and 177 being a few of them.
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First Bus Package under Government Contracting Model
(operating out of the new Bulim depot)SBST
49, 66, 78, 79, 96, 97, 97e, 98, 143, 183, 282, 284, 285, 333, 334 and 335SMRT Buses
77, 106, 173, 177, 189, 941, 945 and 947Source: http://goo.gl/WV48ZQ
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wow what a nice a combine of both SBST and SMRT bus services to operate from the same depot. no wonder smrt want to get the DD buses. by the look of it which ever company get the tender will have both ex-buses from sbst and smrt. humm hope that a third operator will get the contract from the LTA. :) i hope LTA also control the bus drivers employment not the bus operator.
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Originally posted by TIB987K:
First Bus Package under Government Contracting Model
(operating out of the new Bulim depot)SBST
49, 66, 78, 79, 96, 97, 97e, 98, 143, 183, 282, 284, 285, 333, 334 and 335SMRT Buses
77, 106, 173, 177, 189, 941, 945 and 947Source: http://app.lta.gov.sg/apps/news/page.aspx?c=2&id=8206ab4a-20ab-4102-af9c-4b0d0e285e2d
All routes except 106 are WAB.
Also note which routes are not listed in this tender.
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Originally posted by wsy1234:
wow what a nice a combine of both SBST and SMRT bus services to operate from the same depot. no wonder smrt want to get the DD buses. by the look of it which ever company get the tender will have both ex-buses from sbst and smrt. humm hope that a third operator will get the contract from the LTA. :) i hope LTA also control the bus drivers employment not the bus operator.
Hi mr wsy1234, bus operators control bus driver. Not LTA. Cheers.
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actually, I kinda suspected Bukit Batok will get it first, because last week in the news reports on television, most of the clips used showed buses at Bukit Batok Bus Interchange. anyway, I wonder how bus service 66 (Jurong East to Bedok) would be operated.
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In other news, Kawasaki and CSR Sifang (suppliers for C151A, C151B) were awarded the contract to deliver rolling stock for the Thomson Line and Eastern Region Line.
It is possible for the same supplier to be awarded contracts on multiple occasions if they fulfill the required criteria and offer the best deal.
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Originally posted by Pervertedboy:
actually, I kinda suspected Bukit Batok will get it first, because last week in the news reports on television, most of the clips used showed buses at Bukit Batok Bus Interchange.
anyway, I wonder how bus service 66 (Jurong East to Bedok) would be operated.
Not surprising: News probably got leaked out to the media and actually chances are both PTOs may have guessed it as well.
How do you think CNA Talking Point managed to arrange for the 1-hr show IMMEDIATELY after the initial press release?
Of course the media would not actually release the news until the official one from LTA.
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Originally posted by SBS2601D:
Not surprising: News probably got leaked out to the media and actually chances are both PTOs may have guessed it as well.
How do you think CNA Talking Point managed to arrange for the 1-hr show IMMEDIATELY after the initial press release?
Of course the media would not actually release the news until the official one from LTA.
I wouldn't say it's leaked. It is typical in the media anywhere in the world to be handed prepared statements by the government in advance with an embargo in place so that journalists have time to work on the story.
After all, it's the nation-building media we are talking about.
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Originally posted by sgbuses:
All routes except 106 are WAB.
Also note which routes are not listed in this tender.
Eight bus services at Jurong East Bus Interchange are not in the first package, of which
- 160 and 506 are special bus services; 160 is a cross-boarder bus service and 506 is an express bus service.
- 197, 51, 52 and 105 are bus services originating from the Eastern region of Singapore.
- 98M and 143M are complementary bus services to 98 and 143.
Bus service 49 is in the list. I guess bus service 49 will be extended to Jurong East Bus Interchange and cover most sections of 143M and 98M and replace them, that's why 98M and 143M are not in the list.At Bukit Batok Bus Interchange, only two of the ten bus services are not in the first package: 61 and 852.At Clementi Bus Interchange, the ones in the first package are all bus services that loop within Clementi area, while one of them is from Bukit Batok Bus Interchange.Based on this first package, I guess the second package will also be in an area that is less developed and would utilise less than 500 buses in the beginning. -
Originally posted by sgbuses:
I wouldn't say it's leaked. It is typical in the media anywhere in the world to be handed prepared statements by the government in advance with an embargo in place so that journalists have time to work on the story.
After all, it's the nation-building media we are talking about.
OT a bit about the Talking point show on CNA, it was actually supposed to be about improvements to bus service, but press release from LTA caused the whole topic to be changed... LAST MINUTE arrangement
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Originally posted by sgbuses:
I wouldn't say it's leaked. It is typical in the media anywhere in the world to be handed prepared statements by the government in advance with an embargo in place so that journalists have time to work on the story.
After all, it's the nation-building media we are talking about.
Perhaps perhaps.
But there are reasons why I still think its a leak.
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As idiotic as it may sound, where is the exact location of BULIM depot?
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Originally posted by Acx1688:
As idiotic as it may sound, where is the exact location of BULIM depot?
It was previously known as Wenya Bus Depot.
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Premium 542/543 will be affected...
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Originally posted by Acx1688:
As idiotic as it may sound, where is the exact location of BULIM depot?
Near Bulim cemetery
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Originally posted by sgbuses:
It was previously known as Wenya Bus Depot.
Thank you! i manage to find the annex A click on the attachment, has a map...
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Does this move mean that SBS Transit and SMRT will go under the Government and ultimately become merged?
