Government contracting model for public bus industry

• TIB987K

  9 May 16, 16:16

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• carbikebus

  11 May 16, 13:10

  Seriously LTA should let 136 stay with SBST and replace with svc 109 or 29(Reversed) instead.

• SMB128B

  11 May 16, 17:42

  I find it absolutely disgusting they decided to use the Citaros instead for SDs. 

  In WHAT way are the Citaros even better than the A22s, besides its bodywork. Substandard interior (compared to A22) with NO PIS, NO ac eyeballs, awkward seating, and lower capacity (due to its longer and more narrow aisle), not to mention comparatively outdated door system. And the specs, mostly inferior to the A22. 

  What is the reason for this then? Save money?? Don't think these are the things the govt should be saving on bah... These buses are gonna be with us for 18 years!! Or is it due to excess from BSEP? Then this is clearly a lack of foresight on the govt's part to buy in bulk for outdated spec bus...

  It makes me cringe seeing them on SMRT svcs, like a downgrade after having went so far with their A22s. Tragic indeed. 

• carbikebus

  11 May 16, 17:48

  Originally posted by SMB128B:

  I find it absolutely disgusting they decided to use the Citaros instead for SDs. 

  In WHAT way are the Citaros even better than the A22s, besides its bodywork. Substandard interior (compared to A22) with NO PIS, NO ac eyeballs, awkward seating, and lower capacity (due to its longer and more narrow aisle), not to mention comparatively outdated door system. And the specs, mostly inferior to the A22. 

  What is the reason for this then? Save money?? Don't think these are the things the govt should be saving on bah... These buses are gonna be with us for 18 years!! Or is it due to excess from BSEP? Then this is clearly a lack of foresight on the govt's part to buy in bulk for outdated spec bus...

  It makes me cringe seeing them on SMRT svcs, like a downgrade after having went so far with their A22s. Tragic indeed. 

  They thought can save more fuel buying lower capacity engine when they themselves restrict the power like siao making the buses more sluggish and slower.I can understand the 60kmh max but 1st gear power?With full loadings and that aircon unit?My God,Those who have drive Citaros tend to agree with me.Beside the engine output and weaknessess i dont think there is a great margin for the seating capacity and interior..The best is to buy new low floor and low entry buses together.Seriously i dont think Citaro can take 55 standing passengers no matter how you squeeze inside.

• iveco

  11 May 16, 23:09

  Originally posted by carbikebus:

  Seriously LTA should let 136 stay with SBST and replace with svc 109 or 29(Reversed) instead.

  
  109 is what i initially highlighted. But 21 may be a better alternative as it takes the pressure off both AM and BN depots. After all, putting 136 in PGL route group was meant to free up space at AM side.
• iveco

  11 May 16, 23:11

  Originally posted by carbikebus:

  They thought can save more fuel buying lower capacity engine when they themselves restrict the power like siao making the buses more sluggish and slower.I can understand the 60kmh max but 1st gear power?With full loadings and that aircon unit?My God,Those who have drive Citaros tend to agree with me.Beside the engine output and weaknessess i dont think there is a great margin for the seating capacity and interior..The best is to buy new low floor and low entry buses together.Seriously i dont think Citaro can take 55 standing passengers no matter how you squeeze inside.

  
  Should try B8RLE.
• sgbuses

  11 May 16, 23:14

  Originally posted by SMB128B:

  I find it absolutely disgusting they decided to use the Citaros instead for SDs. 

  In WHAT way are the Citaros even better than the A22s, besides its bodywork. Substandard interior (compared to A22) with NO PIS, NO ac eyeballs, awkward seating, and lower capacity (due to its longer and more narrow aisle), not to mention comparatively outdated door system. And the specs, mostly inferior to the A22. 

  What is the reason for this then? Save money?? Don't think these are the things the govt should be saving on bah... These buses are gonna be with us for 18 years!! Or is it due to excess from BSEP? Then this is clearly a lack of foresight on the govt's part to buy in bulk for outdated spec bus...

  It makes me cringe seeing them on SMRT svcs, like a downgrade after having went so far with their A22s. Tragic indeed. 

  First it was "too many A22s"! Now it is "too many Citaros"!

  This was what the lobbyists wanted back then. Buyer's remorse? #firstworldproblems

• iveco

  11 May 16, 23:35

  Originally posted by sgbuses:

  First it was "too many A22s"! Now it is "too many Citaros"!

  This was what the lobbyists wanted back then. Buyer's remorse? #firstworldproblems

  
  Should have just stuck with Scanias for the next 40 years.
• SMB145B

  11 May 16, 23:54

  i prefer the SMRT taros. i wonder if they modify some taros with plug sliding doors instead.

• SMB128B

  12 May 16, 08:58

  Originally posted by sgbuses:

  First it was "too many A22s"! Now it is "too many Citaros"!

  This was what the lobbyists wanted back then. Buyer's remorse? #firstworldproblems

  Ah ha. NEVER had I once hoped for such bulk purchase. If u know the lobbyists send my regards to them. God bless their misguided souls.

  Given the choice between A22s and taros I would choose the former in a heartbeat. I'm sure many others will too.

   

• TIB868X

  12 May 16, 09:05

  Lots of potential fleet planners here. Not.

• lemon1974

  12 May 16, 10:50

  Originally posted by sgbuses:

  First it was "too many A22s"! Now it is "too many Citaros"!

  This was what the lobbyists wanted back then. Buyer's remorse? #firstworldproblems

  buy KUB, ppl complain of steps.. so the ppl suggest to buy more A22/citaro (stepless)..

  then now buy A22/citaros, ppl complain of narrow aisle, cant fill too many standees..

  maybe should buy yutong or TATA buses instead..

   

• carbikebus

  12 May 16, 13:23

  Originally posted by lemon1974:

  buy KUB, ppl complain of steps.. so the ppl suggest to buy more A22/citaro (stepless)..

  then now buy A22/citaros, ppl complain of narrow aisle, cant fill too many standees..

  maybe should buy yutong or TATA buses instead..

   

  Buy 2 models better,Citaro LF and LE.

• AntiDennisLance

  12 May 16, 13:35

  Originally posted by lemon1974:

  buy KUB, ppl complain of steps.. so the ppl suggest to buy more A22/citaro (stepless)..

  then now buy A22/citaros, ppl complain of narrow aisle, cant fill too many standees..

  maybe should buy yutong or TATA buses instead..

   

  A22, Shitaro to me all the same. We shud stack the Shitaros on on top of the A22's to make double decker buses.

• lemon1974

  12 May 16, 13:43

  Originally posted by AntiDennisLance:

  A22, Shitaro to me all the same. We shud stack the Shitaros on on top of the A22's to make double decker buses.

  bring back O405 is the best....

• SMB128B

  12 May 16, 14:05

  Lol. Since when did I complain about A22s sia. I think that they are great buses. Dont shove words into my mouth. 

  I'm just amazed by how they decided to take in SBST Citaros, clearly outdated and lacklustre in tdchnology compared to A22.

• Sbs6750E

  12 May 16, 14:11

  Off topic a bit SMRT new citaros use SBST or SMRT doors closing chime?
• carbikebus

  12 May 16, 20:23

  Originally posted by Sbs6750E:

  Off topic a bit
  SMRT new citaros use SBST or SMRT doors closing chime?

  I think SBST door chime,Even for TT and GA Citaros.

• carbikebus

  13 May 16, 15:22

  When is the next GCM Sungei Seletar package bidding start?I remember someone told me its Q4 this year,Can confirm?

• TIB987K

  13 May 16, 16:16

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• gekpohboy

  18 May 16, 20:55

  Apparently, the buses in Bulim GCM will begin with a mixture of advertisements, the new livery and the former operators' livery (without the former operator logo).

  Here is a picture taken inside the Bulim depot:

  

  Saw this picture of a bus being painted with the new livery:

  

  From the looks of it, re-painting a bus takes 2-3 days.

  Bulim GCM will use around 367 buses, of which around 50 will begin with the new livery. It's going to take at least 1 year 4 months to apply the new livery on all the buses.

• carbikebus

  20 May 16, 14:42

  My prediction for the next package Sungei Seletar.

  Yishun Int:103,171,800,803,804,805,806,811,812,851,852

  853,854/E,855,857 & 860.

  Sembawang Int:117,167 & 980.

  Yio Chu Kang Ter:70/M,72,76 & 162 and plus a 2-3 new service.

• carbikebus

  21 May 16, 07:52

  Actually LTA shouldnt include svc 3 and 136 into the Loyang package.Svc 3 mostly plied Eastern area(Tampines/Pasir Ris) before going Punggol and 136 is obviously AMK svc(13x).Should have given svc 29(Reversed) and svc 5.As for Bulim there is no need to include svc 66,143,96 and the three Clementi Feeders also,Can just include svc 154,157,240,241,242 & 243.

• TIB987K

  23 May 16, 20:16

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• SBS3004X

  23 May 16, 20:39

  Which operator are these DDs for? Anyway TT is starting operations in a few days.