Government contracting model for public bus industry
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The 24 existing routes consist of 13 from SBS and 11 from SMRT. If the two new routes are from SMRT, it would be 50-50...
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Originally posted by carbikebus:
Why suprised when LTA announced that Seletar will be ready by Q3 2017 and Ulu Pandan by Q1 2018?Too bad the 4th package is not for open biddings..
Why would the fourth package not be open for bidding?
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Originally posted by carbikebus:
I was hoping that 24 stay with SBST and exchange for 72 instead.852 stay with SMRT and exchange for 853 instead.
You cannot hope for anything. The gahmen has finalised it so it is already cast in stone LOL.
Maybe pigs will fly and DD's appear on 852?
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Ulu Pandan package should begin from the second half of 2018.
From the looks of it, the packages are rolled out twice every two years.
It is going to take twelve years to implement every package. By then, it would be 2028.
I guess the first six contracts is for new operators. Besides, SBS Transit and SMRT will get negotiated contract. The more players, the merrier.
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Originally posted by gekpohboy:
The 24 existing routes consist of 13 from SBS and 11 from SMRT. If the 2 new routes are from SMRT, it's 50-50...
Nah, it's 1 SBST and 1 SMRT service ...
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Originally posted by AntiDennisLance:
You cannot hope for anything. The gahmen has finalised it so it is already cast in stone LOL.
Maybe pigs will fly and DD's appear on 852?
If pigs will fly you will be dead already...
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Originally posted by gekpohboy:
Ulu Pandan package should begin from second half of 2018.
From the looks of it, the packages will be rolled out twice every two years.
It is going to take twelve years to implement every package. By the time all twelve packages are implemented, it would be 2028.
I guess the first six packages will be given to new operators. Anyway, SBS and SMRT will get negotiated contracts, so the more the merrier. :)
Ulu Pandan 2018,Mandai 2019 and East Coast by 2020...1 year apart mah.
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Originally posted by gekpohboy:
Ulu Pandan package should begin from second half of 2018.
From the looks of it, the packages will be rolled out twice every two years.
It is going to take twelve years to implement every package. By the time all twelve packages are implemented, it would be 2028.
I guess the first six packages will be given to new operators. Anyway, SBS and SMRT will get negotiated contracts, so the more the merrier. :)
Maybe 12 new packages plus 1 new one that supplement some package..hahaha
If LTA really want competition then the ratio should be:Tower Transit 3,Go Ahead 3,SBST 3 and SMRT 3 which i would think impossible.I think after 2022,SBST will get 6 packages,SMRT 3 and left with only 1 foreign operator which combine operation get 3 also.
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I feel that the government wants the incumbents to focus on the transition first, while attracting new operators to come in. This may explain why the incumbents will get negotiated contracts.
The incumbents may be deliberately omitted from the first few tenders as the government wants new operators.
Hence, I think new players will win the third and fourth packages.
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Originally posted by gekpohboy:
I guess the strategy is to give the first few contacts to new operators first, to test the new operators - since they no prior experience.
The first two contracts will expire around 2021-2023 and the next two will expire around 2023-2025. The negotiated contracts will expire at around 2021 - some may expire later, in 2023, 2025, etc.
The real competition is after the new operators have their track records, like SBS Transit and SMRT.
By then, the operators that meet expectations will be in the "director's list", while those that fail to meet expectations will be "blacklisted".
This is how I think the competition is like: First give the new operators chance to present themselves, then cherry pick the best operators to do the job.
So, yeah, the fourth package is likely going to be won by a foreign company.
Hopefully not Tower Transit or Go Ahead, but another new foreign company, so that we can analyse more candidates later.
My predict after 2021,Tower Transit and Go Ahead lose out with Bulim won by a joint venture foreign operator.Loyang will be won by either SBST or SMRT while the new joint venture foreign operator also eyeing for the Kim Chuan package.Seriously we dont need 5 operators at all,Just 3 or 4 will do.
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Originally posted by carbikebus:
My predict after 2021,Tower Transit and Go Ahead lose out with Bulim won by a joint venture foreign operator.Loyang will be won by either SBST or SMRT while the new joint venture foreign operator also eyeing for the Kim Chuan package.Seriously we dont need 5 operators at all,Just 3 or 4 will do.
But more operators means more competition, which is key for cost competitiveness, maximum utulization of taxpayer dollars and more efficiency, which is the point of GCM.
if we don't have enough players, the incumbents will slack, other companies will be turned off from bidding and costs will rise because less competitive bids will be put as these companies are less pressured to be competitive. of course, the more is not always merrier
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Hope to see contest from Kuala Lumpur (Malaysia), Jakarta (Indonesia), Hong Kong (China) and Taipei (Taiwan) bus companies - especially Hong Kong and Taipei, since our transport minister Mr Khaw Boon Wan speaks highly of them.
Otherwise, if it is always those companies from London (United Kingdom), China and Seoul (Korea) contesting for the contracts, it is quite boring.
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no worries sbst and SMRT will run trains service and maybe some express bus services and maybe NUS and NTU internal service. but i think 2018 might be SBST get it. As SMRT, LTA want it to focus on the train service. so not surprise if the whole singapore train operation under SMRT by 2020 plus.
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Originally posted by gekpohboy:
Hopefully can have bus company from Malaysia or Indonesia come in to contest for the contracts, otherwise if everytime only have London companies and some poor quality entries from China or Korea companies like no fun leh.
For that matter, Hong Kong and Taiwan companies, since our Mr Khaw Boon Wan speaks highly of them.
I do not know why Malaysia, Indonesia, Hong Kong and Taiwan bus companies never come Singapore contest for contracts before, but if they do contest, I hope they will win, so that there's more competition. :)
Bus bidding is not a playground or an international tournament.
What Malaysian, Indonesian or Taiwanese companies do you propose bid to run our services, in a way that would (seemingly) improve our service levels? They (including failed Chinese and Korean companies) don't have much experience in running public buses on a big scale in super high density areas like London.
If Hong Kong companies like KMB or NWST were interested, they would have bid already. So I think its pure fantasy they would come in despite having the experience, unless of course they change their mind.
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Originally posted by gekpohboy:
Hopefully can have bus company from Malaysia or Indonesia come in to contest for the contracts.
For that matter, Hong Kong and Taiwan companies, since our Mr Khaw Boon Wan speaks highly of them.
Otherwise, if everytime only have entries from London, China or Korea like no fun leh.
I do not know why Malaysia, Indonesia, Hong Kong and Taiwan bus companies never come Singapore contest for contracts before, but if they do contest, I hope they win, so that there's more competition. :)
None of the operators from these countries are interested for a simple reason.
In all cases, they manage the fare revenue directly.
And they are not experts at filling out the tender paperwork, either.
One of the reasons why TT has won is because they have been doing that for over 20 years under Transperth's GCM.
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Originally posted by wsy1234:
no worries sbst and SMRT will run trains service and maybe some express bus services and maybe NUS and NTU internal service. but i think 2018 might be SBST get it. As SMRT, LTA want it to focus on the train service. so not surprise if the whole singapore train operation under SMRT by 2020 plus.
Nay...Not the case.Both will still run bus business but not at a very large scale they used before.
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Third bus package put up for tender
SINGAPORE: A third bus package under the Government Contracting Model was put up for tender on Tuesday (Jun 7), the Land Transport Authority (LTA) announced in a news release.The Seletar bus package comprises 24 existing services and two new services, which will be announced later. The bus services will be operated from the Ang Mo Kio, Yio Chu Kang and Yishun Bus Interchanges, and will be supported by the new Seletar Bus Depot located off Yio Chu Kang Road, which is scheduled to be completed by the third quarter of 2017.The existing bus services in this package are: 24, 70, 76, 130, 133, 135, 138, 162, 261, 262, 265, 268, 269, 800, 803, 804, 805, 806, 811, 812, 850E, 851, 852 and 860.The package consists of about 420 buses, growing to about 500 buses in 2023 in tandem with new developments and projected growth in ridership, LTA said.The successful tenderer will also operate, manage, and maintain the Ang Mo Kio and Yio Chu Kang Bus Interchanges and the Seletar Bus Depot.Both local and foreign bus operators can bid for the right to operate the package. All tender submissions will be evaluated through a two-envelope process for quality and price, with more weightage given to the quality proposals submitted by the tenderers, LTA said.The operator which successfully bids for the package will operate the bus services for five years, with the possibility of a two-year extension for good performance.“The implementation of the bus services in the Seletar bus package will be carried out in two tranches from the first half of 2018, to allow sufficient time for the operator to build up its resources, such as recruitment and training of bus captains and technicians,” LTA said.The first bus package – the Bulim package – was awarded to London-based Tower Transit after 11 bids were received. The second bus package – the Loyang package – was awarded to another UK transport operator, the Go-Ahead Group, after 10 bids were received.UNION IN DISCUSSIONS WITH AFFECTED STAFFTo safeguard the welfare of bus employees, the Public Transport Tripartite Committee will engage various stakeholders during the transition, LTA said.In a Facebook post on Tuesday, National Transport Workers’ Union (NTWU) executive secretary Melvin Yong said the union has been working closely with the committee to ensure that the concerns and feedback from the affected bus captains are taken into account.The union, together with LTA, SBS Transit and SMRT, has conducted more than 10 engagement sessions with affected staff, he added.“Through these sessions, we addressed their concerns, clarified their queries and sought their feedback regarding the latest changes,” he said.“While we will continue to engage the relevant stakeholders to ensure that workers are able to have a smooth transition to the new model, we also urge all bus operators to continue to work with the NTWU. This is so that we can all enjoy a harmonious, constructive and win-win industrial relations climate that will benefit both companies and workers.”UK-based bus operator Tower Transit indicated interest in the latest bus package. Mr Andrew Bujtor, MD, Tower Transit Singapore told Channel NewsAsia: “We most certainly have our sights set on the Seletar package. There are significant economies and efficiencies that we can unlock by operating on a larger scale. We’re certain this will allow us to offer LTA a very competitively priced bid backed firmly by our local experience of running what will soon be a fleet of about 370 buses and 26 services.We’ve brought innovation to everything we’ve done in Singapore, set new industry standards in many areas, and now we’re focused on delivering the best possible service in order to present the best possible case for Tower Transit to be awarded the Seletar package.”Mr Andrew Bujtor, MD, Tower Transit Singapore told Channel NewsAsia: “We most certainly have our sights set on the Seletar package. There are significant economies and efficiencies that we can unlock by operating on a larger scale. We’re certain this will allow us to offer LTA a very competitively priced bid backed firmly by our local experience of running what will soon be a fleet of about 370 buses and 26 services."We’ve brought innovation to everything we’ve done in Singapore, set new industry standards in many areas, and now we’re focused on delivering the best possible service in order to present the best possible case for Tower Transit to be awarded the Seletar package.”- CNA/cy -
Just asking:
Will the Loyang bus package be implemented in 2 or 3 tranches?
4th September is possible if only 2 tranches. If 3 tranches, first will be latest 28th August.
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Maybe 1N will be re-tendered with Sungei Seletar Package, who knows?
- 1N: Seletar Bus Package
- 4N: Loyang Bus Package
- NR5: Bulim Bus Package
Premium 549 and 761 to get out.Anyway, Cross-Border 160 / 170 / 950 are exempted from GCM and they will find their own arrangements, such as provide them up to 120 buses. -
Originally posted by TPS Timothy Mok:
Maybe 1N will be re-tendered with Sungei Seletar Package, who knows?
- 1N: Seletar Bus Package
- 4N: Loyang Bus Package
- NR5: Bulim Bus Package
Premium 549 and 761 to get out.Anyway, Cross-Border 160 / 170 / 950 are exempted from GCM and they will find their own arrangements, such as provide them up to 120 buses.Welcome to dream land! Since when did 4N and NR5 under any packages
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Originally posted by SMB5007J:
Welcome to dream land! Since when did 4N and NR5 under any packages
We should just ignore him..when everyone ignore him..he will find no fun and stop
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could 857 be extended? or even terminate at Marina Centre?
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Originally posted by carbikebus:
Brother,60% or more of TT BCs are all fresh with no experience in public bus service.Whatever the company regulations they all follow and adhere.Unlike SBST or SMRT if they are behind schedule they just overtook the front bus and kapo all the passengers until a certain stop where its back to normal.TT BCs front bus already lambat yet the rear one didnt want to overtake fearing BOCC will penalise them..They die2 follow schedule one..
Be it new or experienced, I think it doesn't affect leh...
Note that I have mentioned "LTA" rather than TTS...because TTS is simply a puppet of LTA uh..so is SMRT/SBST/Go-Ahead...
Recently, there's plenty of complains over the 10km/hr speed on bus 77..even the bc is pissed when the BOCC ask them to slow down even more...check out the TTS fb page. I think if TTS is given full control of the frequency, maybe they will perform better.
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Originally posted by TIB429E:
Be it new or experienced, I think it doesn't affect leh...
Note that I have mentioned "LTA" rather than TTS...because TTS is simply a puppet of LTA uh..so is SMRT/SBST/Go-Ahead...
Recently, there's plenty of complains over the 10km/hr speed on bus 77..even the bc is pissed when the BOCC ask them to slow down even more...check out the TTS fb page. I think if TTS is given full control of the frequency, maybe they will perform better.
Got,Else why TTS deploy buddy system(Experience BCs) for a few days for the newbie BCs?Like it or not this will be the scenario in future and prepared to see more rear ended cases,Lol!