SMRT launches Alexander Dennis Enviro 500 MMC
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Sv106 have 1 Blue tinted upper deck front windscreen(ADL) running today..
SMRT(or LTA) should return the 951Ex964 slot so as to increase the capacity for 951E.
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DDs debut for 67 & 960 from 15 feb & 16 feb respectively
for 960, DDs will appear on weeekdays only while 67, both weekdays or weekends
info from SMRT FB page
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67 will have 4 DDs which mean the 3 Amdep BSEP will be transfer to Kjdep.
960 will have 3 DDs for a start
Way to go,Now awaiting 851,854 & 857 for Yishun side
167 for Sembawang side
Its best to deploy 3 DDs to 172,4 DDs to 180,3 DDs to 184,3 to 189.
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Yeah could try the DDs on 180 because quite alot of pax go end to end so upper deck will be well used. But personally, I would not support the use of DDs on 172.
For 172, the heavy loading is only during peak hours and that explains the split shift bendy slots currently. This Service could do with an upgrade of some split shift SDs to Bendys. If use DDs also, probably only split shifts because full day would be quite a waste. To use DDs on this service, the roads along Jln Bahar and Old CCK road need to maintain a 4.5km clearance and I would think it is not too cost effective to for maintainence on such a long stretch of road for just 1 service and that too just for peak hour loading. And also I dont believe those people booking out from army camps will be inclined to go the upper deck with their heavy and bulky bags. Non Peak hour crowds are only between CCK int and CCK ave 1 (Quite short distance).
For 184, its more or less an institutional service. Quite heavy boarding and alighting activity at quite a number of stops along the route. If you observe 154 along clementi MRT station to the clementi road stretch, you can already see the situation of using DDs (its really quite slow). The Bendys on 184 have helped this service stay efficient. Unless there is a severe space constraint or there is a ban against bendys, I would support use of Bendys for this service.
For 189, I am not too sure about the loading after the shortening of the route. For the Old route, yes, DDs could have been used but too bad SMRT didnt have DDs before. But for the new route I believe the heavy loading is just between Clementi Ave 6, Clementi MRT and the Clementi Ave 1? If yes, it more or less becomes a kind of feeder service.
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Originally posted by randomguy10:
Yeah could try the DDs on 180 because quite alot of pax go end to end so upper deck will be well used. But personally, I would not support the use of DDs on 172.
For 172, the heavy loading is only during peak hours and that explains the split shift bendy slots currently. This Service could do with an upgrade of some split shift SDs to Bendys. If use DDs also, probably only split shifts because full day would be quite a waste. To use DDs on this service, the roads along Jln Bahar and Old CCK road need to maintain a 4.5km clearance and I would think it is not too cost effective to for maintainence on such a long stretch of road for just 1 service and that too just for peak hour loading. And also I dont believe those people booking out from army camps will be inclined to go the upper deck with their heavy and bulky bags. Non Peak hour crowds are only between CCK int and CCK ave 1 (Quite short distance).
For 184, its more or less an institutional service. Quite heavy boarding and alighting activity at quite a number of stops along the route. If you observe 154 along clementi MRT station to the clementi road stretch, you can already see the situation of using DDs (its really quite slow). The Bendys on 184 have helped this service stay efficient. Unless there is a severe space constraint or there is a ban against bendys, I would support use of Bendys for this service.
For 189, I am not too sure about the loading after the shortening of the route. For the Old route, yes, DDs could have been used but too bad SMRT didnt have DDs before. But for the new route I believe the heavy loading is just between Clementi Ave 6, Clementi MRT and the Clementi Ave 1? If yes, it more or less becomes a kind of feeder service.
Definitely yes to DDs for 172 and 189. I have taken the latter recently - 2 weeks back and huge loading even after route shortened.
172 lot of pax board at Boon Lay for CCK. Def must service for DDs.
184 I agree with you. A lot of boarding/alighting happens at Clementi MRT. Bendy is a good option here. 154 DDs doing well. Don't say anything. 154B given DD for a reason. It is not same situation like 184.
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Too much bendies also no good..Bendies should be restricted for feeders,short haul trunks and those going to industrial parks..
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Originally posted by azharjj:
DDs debut for 67 & 960 from 15 feb & 16 feb respectively
for 960, DDs will appear on weeekdays only while 67, both weekdays or weekends
info from SMRT FB page
960 also will need the DDs on weekends...i have a feeling 67 will get SMRT reg DDs + BSEP DDs while 960 will only get the BSEP DDs... -
Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:
Definitely yes to DDs for 172 and 189. I have taken the latter recently - 2 weeks back and huge loading even after route shortened.
172 lot of pax board at Boon Lay for CCK. Def must service for DDs.
184 I agree with you. A lot of boarding/alighting happens at Clementi MRT. Bendy is a good option here. 154 DDs doing well. Don't say anything. 154B given DD for a reason. It is not same situation like 184.
yes..172 load during AM off peak can be crazy too! I have seen on many occurrence that buses are packed to the door after the Sheng Siong stop towards CCK during the afternoons. The OCs definitely not enough...
Few weeks back they trialed a bendy on one of the AP slot but seem to disappear already...revert back to full rigid AP slot and the 4 bendy split shift slots are not very certain also.. at times rigid may appear (like SMB58U on 172S105 yesterday)...
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I travel on 172/180 very regularly! I would say yes to DDs for 180 because I know quite a number of people boarding at BL and Lakeside travel all the way to Bt Panjang (it serves like an express version of 187 to Bt Panjang). Also 180 loading is all day round
On the other hand for 172, majority of the people do not travel end to end. People Travel between BL and Sheng Siong (even though 199 is shorter, because 199 off peak frequency can get very bad). Then the there are people who travel from either ends to the army camps/CD academy thats located on the way. Lastly CCK Ave 1 to CCK int. 172 usually gets crowded after 3pm for PM, by which split shift bendys are already operating. Off peak I mostly see the bus is decently crowded with max a few standees for a OC and so having AP high capacity bus is a luxury. My reason to oppose DDs for this service is because of the type of people taking this service during peak hours (mostly army/CD personnel). Plus I would think maintaining the 4.5m height clearence from along the long stretch that is only used for 172 is an economic waste. 172 can be considered a short haul trunk spanning usually just 32-40 mins end to end. I believe it will aslo be SMRT's last priority for DDs
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Originally posted by randomguy10:
I travel on 172/180 very regularly! I would say yes to DDs for 180 because I know quite a number of people boarding at BL and Lakeside travel all the way to Bt Panjang (it serves like an express version of 187 to Bt Panjang). Also 180 loading is all day round
On the other hand for 172, majority of the people do not travel end to end. People Travel between BL and Sheng Siong (even though 199 is shorter, because 199 off peak frequency can get very bad). Then the there are people who travel from either ends to the army camps/CD academy thats located on the way. Lastly CCK Ave 1 to CCK int. 172 usually gets crowded after 3pm for PM, by which split shift bendys are already operating. Off peak I mostly see the bus is decently crowded with max a few standees for a OC and so having AP high capacity bus is a luxury. My reason to oppose DDs for this service is because of the type of people taking this service during peak hours (mostly army/CD personnel). Plus I would think maintaining the 4.5m height clearence from along the long stretch that is only used for 172 is an economic waste. 172 can be considered a short haul trunk spanning usually just 32-40 mins end to end. I believe it will aslo be SMRT's last priority for DDs
If you notice, 172 is not even a bendy priority or any kind of priority for SMRT. I think it lets it be because mostly lower income group takes the service on most part of its route. I am okay if they want to deploy bendy. Deploy bendy. But if you do not have enough bendies, at least deploy DDs.
172 also needs BSEP slot. not one, but two. It is strange that some services are neglected by BSEP bcoz they do not cater to the elite.
Also, I think people would be stupid to take 172 to Sheng Seong when 199 is faster and has BETTER frequency contrary to what you said. Also 199 mostly has DDs plying. 172 run time is around 10 minutes more than 199 to Sheng seong given the congestion and number of signals it has in between. Also, 172 I believe has been purposefully made to do the round so that more CCK bound people take 172 and those for Jalan Bahar, opt for 199 instead. And this is exactly what happens.
If you are at Jalan Bahar and want to go to Boon Lay, even if 172 comes before, people will wait for 199 since it is faster, cheaper and more reliable.
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Let me correct you there. 199 has better frequency than 172 during peak periods mostly but during off peak periods like in the afternoon and at night 199 frequency is atrocious. Its 17-24mins per bus. I dare say 2 buses of 172 can come most of the times before 199 comes (I study in NTU and I take 199 everyday) during off peak. Plus even at peak hrs 199 is quite irregular. There are so many instances where 2 buses come together and then next 15mins no bus. Yes 172 is a longer route but most people take whichever comes first from SS unless both arrives together. During Peak hours its approximately 5-10mins longer than than 199 but non-peak its only 5mins. And for 172, people can alight at the last stop before the interchange to transfer to MRT too so it doesnt make too much of a difference. But from BL-SS direction, you are right! most people queue up for 199 instead because the 172 arrival timings on the tv screen are usually not accurate and yeah 199 is shorter.
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Yes 172 should get BSEP slots too.
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Originally posted by SMB42P:
960 also will need the DDs on weekends...i have a feeling 67 will get SMRT reg DDs + BSEP DDs while 960 will only get the BSEP DDs...i see no double decker on svc 67 today. i wait for 45 min at tamp int.
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We were talking about 172 getting more high capacity buses. There goes SMRT - converted 1 bendy slot to SD. Now only 3 bendies.
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169 on the other hand I think has got one bendy added to its fleet apart from 5027 E500. 169 now has 10 bendies in its fleet.
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Also for 172, TIB886T is retiring very soon. Hope its replacement is still a bendy and not a SD. 169 is doing ok with the Bendy/DD/SD mix.
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172 no need fleet add,Just convert 4 SD to DD slots.In fact Singapore should have 70% DDs and 30% SDs by now..
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Originally posted by carbikebus:
172 no need fleet add,Just convert 4 SD to DD slots.In fact Singapore should have 70% DDs and 30% SDs by now..
Did you see what I posted? sv 172 has had a bendy to SD conversion... we are hoping for more high capacity buses.. and there they give us more rigids...
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Hmm actually 172 is definitely not SMRT priority now. There are services that are far more worse off that I would say this service is fine. I take it very often and in recent days I havent seen the bus not being able to pick up passengers. Besides 975 has had increased frequency to counter also. With loading just mostly during split shift duties, this service is still managable. If it were bad enough, BSEP would have added MAN A22 atleast since there are so many available. ..
As for DDs I would say wait till SMRT has enough to spare, if this service ever gets the DDs. Likely that if they remove the bendys, they might just fleet add during peak hours and maintain a SD fleet.
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Originally posted by proudtobeme:
i see no double decker on svc 67 today. i wait for 45 min at tamp int.
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Originally posted by randomguy10:
Also for 172, TIB886T is retiring very soon. Hope its replacement is still a bendy and not a SD. 169 is doing ok with the Bendy/DD/SD mix.
TIB886T has not appeared on 172 for at least a week..its slot (172S105) is constantly replaced by random 106 Habits..and occasionally perm AP rigid buses or rigid cameos...
Another not so stable bendy slot is 172S107..
The other 2 stable bendy slots are 172S102 (1085G) and 172S103 (1030P)
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Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:
We were talking about 172 getting more high capacity buses. There goes SMRT - converted 1 bendy slot to SD. Now only 3 bendies.
Huh? since when downgraded? though there were rumours saying 172S107 downgraded and perm bus is TIB715D, but then i still see bendies on that slot 90% of the time..and there are 4 split shift bendies (refer above post for the 4 duty codes)
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SMB5031M on Svc 960 around 7.55am at Marina Centre Bus Terminal.
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Originally posted by SMB42P:
same..i was at Bukit Timah area for about an hour, all i see is Habits and MANs...SMB3557B on Svc 67 appeared around 5 plus 15 Feb, Sunday opp Botanic Gardens MRT station towards Tampines.
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Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:
Did you see what I posted? sv 172 has had a bendy to SD conversion... we are hoping for more high capacity buses.. and there they give us more rigids...
I saw la your post,but anyway no need fleet add..the current 3 bendies and a rigid can convert to DDs.Boon lay already like pasar malam no point using bendies..180 also can start using DDs