If SBST didn't take back Sengkang it might have become the first ITH built for bendy buses.
Also, bendies would be better for routes like 96, 113 and several SBST feeders if conditions favour it.
Originally posted by iveco:If SBST didn't take back Sengkang it might have become the first ITH built for bendy buses.
Also, bendies would be better for routes like 96, 113 and several SBST feeders if conditions favour it.
Hi. I am curious. Just wondering, what is it about Articulated Buses that you like? In so many aspects, Double Decker buses is better. Any reason why you want Articulated buses on the routes in Seng Kang and on the routes you mentioned?
Imho articulate buses does perform well on short distance feeders(225,241 etc) only and not more than that in our land scarce Sg..Beside taking up slightly more space,our new ITHs doesnt favour articulate bus.Mid and long haul trunks should strictly use Double deckers no matter how Intratown type trunks theyre..However those feeders DDs should tuned up for more responsive acceleration due to the stop and go distance
By the way, bendy takes more load than a DD eventhough it waste a bit of space...
Originally posted by iveco:If SBST didn't take back Sengkang it might have become the first ITH built for bendy buses.
Also, bendies would be better for routes like 96, 113 and several SBST feeders if conditions favour it.
113 does not get even a fleet add or crossover DD - and you feel resource constrained SMRT will add bendy to 113 (or even 113 is worth it??)
Originally posted by TIB1234T:By the way, bendy takes more load than a DD eventhough it waste a bit of space...
Hardly.. Both are about the same.
DD has 82 seats and around 35 standees
Bendy has 59 seats and around 65 standees
* From comfort point of view also, DD is bendy than so many squishing and standing inside a bendy.
Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:Hardly.. Both are about the same.
DD has 82 seats and around 35 standees
Bendy has 59 seats and around 65 standees
* From comfort point of view also, DD is bendy than so many squishing and standing inside a bendy.
just go ask those sv190 pax...do they prefer standing in the bendies or sitting on upper deck of double decker.. in reality, bendies also never carry full load... the last carriage alway got lots of space...
sgwiki even state that bendies have 90 standing capacity.... maybe this happen when there is a competition of trying to squeeze the most no of pax in the bus...
Originally posted by lemon1974:just go ask those sv190 pax...do they prefer standing in the bendies or sitting on upper deck of double decker.. in reality, bendies also never carry full load... the last carriage alway got lots of space...
sgwiki even state that bendies have 90 standing capacity.... maybe this happen when there is a competition of trying to squeeze the most no of pax in the bus...
the O405s, O405G you actually can see pax filling up. but not so for A22s and taros. whenever there is a SD on 169, more often i see pax leaving a space at the rear than pax filling up. i rather have the O405s or OCs on 169 than the A22. eventually 169 would be like 190, full fleet DD.
Originally posted by SMB145B:the O405s, O405G you actually can see pax filling up. but not so for A22s and taros. whenever there is a SD on 169, more often i see pax leaving a space at the rear than pax filling up. i rather have the O405s or OCs on 169 than the A22. eventually 169 would be like 190, full fleet DD.
Mentality issue I think. The older buses have more seats, so people wouldn't mind standing for a while as there is a higher chance of getting a seat after few stops. As for low entry buses like the OCs and KUBs, the area at the back is kinda like the older buses, so those who take for shorter distance would not move to the back, and those who want a seat would stand at the rear portion. As for low floor buses like the A22s and O530s, the aisle at the rear is quite small, hence people would tend to leave it empty so it won't be too much of a hassle for those alighting.
Originally posted by lemon1974:just go ask those sv190 pax...do they prefer standing in the bendies or sitting on upper deck of double decker.. in reality, bendies also never carry full load... the last carriage alway got lots of space...
sgwiki even state that bendies have 90 standing capacity.... maybe this happen when there is a competition of trying to squeeze the most no of pax in the bus...
What's your point here? Are you supporting my earlier statement on DDs being more comfortable... I think that's what you are saying... but from your tone "just go ask those sv 190pax"... I can't make out.
And I don't need to ask sv 190 pax.. coz it is common sense. For such a long route, people would want to sit on upper deck, relax, enjoy the view than scramble standing in a crowded bendy.
Originally posted by SMB145B:the O405s, O405G you actually can see pax filling up. but not so for A22s and taros. whenever there is a SD on 169, more often i see pax leaving a space at the rear than pax filling up. i rather have the O405s or OCs on 169 than the A22. eventually 169 would be like 190, full fleet DD.
It's so funny. When DDs started being deployed on 169, some bendy crazy fans started talking about how DDs are useless on 169 and upper deck never gets full. They prefer standing or left behind in a crowded SD than see a DD deployed. That's how biased some people here are in regards to their love for bendy.
Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:It's so funny. When DDs started being deployed on 169, some bendy crazy fans started talking about how DDs are useless on 169 and upper deck never gets full. They prefer standing or left behind in a crowded SD than see a DD deployed. That's how biased some people here are in regards to their love for bendy.
Bus fans on SMRT logic. #noUpperDeck #bendiesFTW
SMRT svc that should have either half,3/4 or full DDs
61(3),67(25),106(20),167(4),172(6),176(15),180(Full),184(12)
187(10),188(18),189(6),190(Full),700(5),811(8),812(7),851(12)
854(18),855(4),856(15),857(6),859(Extend to Ave 1:5),860(4)
911(6),912(10),913(8),960(20),962(7),963(22),964(7),965(4)
966(15),969(15),972(Full),980(4),985(6)
Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:What's your point here? Are you supporting my earlier statement on DDs being more comfortable... I think that's what you are saying... but from your tone "just go ask those sv 190pax"... I can't make out.
And I don't need to ask sv 190 pax.. coz it is common sense. For such a long route, people would want to sit on upper deck, relax, enjoy the view than scramble standing in a crowded bendy.
supporting your statement that DD is better/more comfortable...
yes it is common sense to you and me, but there are certain groups of ppl who insisting that bendies are better/carry more loads and even post that they saw SMRT DDs that are full of pax on lower deck and with 30 over empty seats on the upper deck...
Originally posted by SMB145B:the O405s, O405G you actually can see pax filling up. but not so for A22s and taros. whenever there is a SD on 169, more often i see pax leaving a space at the rear than pax filling up. i rather have the O405s or OCs on 169 than the A22. eventually 169 would be like 190, full fleet DD.
the rear trailer portion alway have emtpy spaces...
I take 190 regularly and yes DDs are great. Definitely more comfortable than the Bendys, though efficiency not as good. But the situation of 190 is different from other short routes etc. For 190, people want comfort cos long ride so DD is good. But for short routes and feeders, I will still choose to use Bendy because in those services, people are more interested in the speed and efficiency to get home/MRT than comfort. Yes you give me a double deck bus so comfortable but I need to sit for like 10mins longer than standing on a bendy whats the point? 169 is fine with bendys or DDs because there are ppl who travel LD and SD. And so in such a situation, its better to just use DDs and save bendys for use on a service that is not as suitable for DD.
So in summary, DD is more comfortable no doubt, but Bendys have higher efficiency and are faster. Deploy according to which factor is more impt for each service, as long as our land scarce sgp allows it.
SMRT has said in prev press statements, in e near future, DDs are for trunk service, bendies for bendys as they realise passengers do not wish/are not inclined to go to upper deck for short intra town trips...
So DDs for SMRT feeders are NO GO
We will see about that once the first GCM package result is out..
Originally posted by JurongWestresident:Hi. I am curious. Just wondering, what is it about Articulated Buses that you like? In so many aspects, Double Decker buses is better. Any reason why you want Articulated buses on the routes in Seng Kang and on the routes you mentioned?
Your reply seems to hint that you know little about the events of 1999. Maybe you weren't even born then. I was a teenager about to complete my secondary education and get drafted to the army that year, so I remember heaps. Tibs, the operator of bendy buses, were made to hand back SKG and PGL to SBS, in exchange for CCK and BBT when the latter won the NEL tender, which I suspect was rigged by Potong Pasir reject Mah Bow Tan, then transport minister. If that didn't take place, it is very likely the Habit bendies would have been deployed on routes 864 & 865 in large numbers.
Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:...Also, bendies would be better for routes like 96, 113 and several SBST feeders if conditions favour it. 113 does not get even a fleet add or crossover DD - and you feel resource constrained SMRT will add bendy to 113 (or even 113 is worth it??)
Not SMRT. Transitlink.
In future, ALL buses belong to them, don't they?
Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:It's so funny. When DDs started being deployed on 169, some bendy crazy fans started talking about how DDs are useless on 169 and upper deck never gets full. They prefer standing or left behind in a crowded SD than see a DD deployed. That's how biased some people here are in regards to their love for bendy.
Did you even went to take it? I doubt you did..
It's indeed true that for the 7:27pm trip, most pax will stayed on the lower deck, even the workers.
Details are already out, don't just sit and comment. Do take it and see for yourself.
7:25PM - 7:32PM, departure from Woodlands Int.
Originally posted by TIB429E:Onb 3537J 169 around 7:35pm from WRI..
Bus was delayed due to the bus being "full and packed"...yeah..lower deck full ; upper deck I guess like 20% or more full..
If it's not for the BC asking the Foreign workers to move up(to upper deck), I guess many pax. would not be able to board the bus. After the foreign workers moved up, the bus departed with pax standing uptill doors and some didn't board. By then, upper deck is left with only 15-20 or less seats.
Seems like DD might not be 100% suitable for 169 either..
Imagine all Foreign Workers crowd on the lower deck of the DDs at Little India..or stand at upperdeck/stairs...BC confirm kpkb much...
And it happened to SBST before..on those VO2/3-axles..I have seen before ppl sitting on stairs onboard 2xx(JIE svc), on VO2x..
DO REFER TO THE QUOTED REPLY ABOVE. It shows the original post of what I've observed for Svc 169 and can also be found on page 52.
Clearly I mentioned that "DD might not be 100% suitable for 169 either. ", so it isn't 100% useless.
If you do not even board and observe..here's the thing -
- This trip consist of residents + foreign workers
- Obviously 95% of the residents will stay at lower deck[Short distance]
- Shockingly, at least 60% of the workers refuse to go up.
- Yes, these people at the lower deck will squeeze and stand rather than going up.
Obviously, this trip would have been better if it's using bendy. Pax on the DD had moved all the way to the rear already.
Originally posted by TIB429E:Did you even went to take it? I doubt you did..
It's indeed true that for the 7:27pm trip, most pax will stayed on the lower deck, even the workers.
Details are already out, don't just sit and comment. Do take it and see for yourself.
7:25PM - 7:32PM, departure from Woodlands Int.
Oh yes I have taken 169 many many times during its SD days... and now once DDs have been deployed.
Obviously, if you see DD departing WRI at 7.25pm, you are not going to see many pax. Are you forgetting it goes to Seneko/Admiralty industrial area? Who would take bus at that time to industrial area. The few who will take it are for Ave 9.
At that time even the Republic Poly load towards Yishun would be missing. Plus by the time it reaches Seneko industrial, the heavy load going to Sembawang/Yishun has gone. So what do you expect? At that time, the bus to have full load???
Now observe this same bus that leaves around 17.30 from AMK going all the way to Woodlands. It has huge load from Yishun, Seneko industrial, Republic Poly all the way to WRI. That is the main loading for which the 169 DD is timed and not for its return journey. When it comes to bus loading, I do know my shit! ;)
Originally posted by TIB429E:DO REFER TO THE QUOTED REPLY ABOVE. It shows the original post of what I've observed for Svc 169 and can also be found on page 52.
Clearly I mentioned that "DD might not be 100% suitable for 169 either. ", so it isn't 100% useless.
If you do not even board and observe..here's the thing -
- This trip consist of residents + foreign workers
- Obviously 95% of the residents will stay at lower deck[Short distance]
- Shockingly, at least 60% of the workers refuse to go up.
- Yes, these people at the lower deck will squeeze and stand rather than going up.
Obviously, this trip would have been better if it's using bendy. Pax on the DD had moved all the way to the rear already.
I have seen workers at Yishun MRT boarding 169 to go to Seneko going to upper deck. All JIS services have full fleet DD, and workers go upper deck. It may be random observation, but surely that does not warrant your comment.
Also where does SMRT have so many bendies to play around? Haven't you seen how it has downgraded so many services to more A22s when current bendy expires?? So SD better than DD in this case?
Let's start being realistic about what resources they have and where should they deploy. I rather prefer they upgrade those A22 slots on their heavily packed feeders/intra-towns to bendies and start upgrading trunks with DDs. And the latter is definitely more comfortable.
There will be some workers taking 169 to their dorms along Admiralty Road West. That was a peak loading and some A22s cannot handle. The O405s used to be able to handle the load, but has since retired early. i greatly welcomed the presence of DDs and bendies.