Capacity Upgrade/Downgrade Reporting on Bus Services
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No wonder SMRT always lose money on bus operation,Fleet add mostly A22,use more BCs and more diesel consumed.Cannot operate declare to LTA to give some of its bus svc to SBST or other operators la.
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Originally posted by carbikebus:
No wonder SMRT always lose money on bus operation,Fleet add mostly A22,use more BCs and more diesel consumed.Cannot operate declare to LTA to give some of its bus svc to SBST or other operators la.
The A22s are seriously overpowered. On some routes A22s cannot tank the load. Meanwhile homeless taros.
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Originally posted by SMB145B:
The A22s are seriously overpowered. On some routes A22s cannot tank the load. Meanwhile homeless taros.
Of course la,Public bus single decker with 10500cc twin stage turbocharger producing 320hp/1600nm..Volvo B9TL only 310hp/1400nm..Which other public transport single decker can match this beast?
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DD on 180x190 (again?)...Hopefully got some permenant ones..+ fleet add to 180..10mins freq during peak abit too long..
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Originally posted by TIB429E:
DD on 180x190 (again?)...Hopefully got some permenant ones..+ fleet add to 180..10mins freq during peak abit too long..
180 should get more DDs instead of bendies IMO... Most pax take it for quite a long distance. -
Originally posted by carbikebus:
No wonder SMRT always lose money on bus operation,Fleet add mostly A22,use more BCs and more diesel consumed.Cannot operate declare to LTA to give some of its bus svc to SBST or other operators la.
Doesn't mean bigger engine = more fuel consumed. A smaller engine can consume a lot more fuel if its not suited for the type of operation. There are articles online about car engine sizes and whether smaller engines are more efificient and the general opinion is that it is not really true, and I'm sure it is the case for buses.
Also take note that besides SMRT not doing well on their bus business, the bus business of SBS is also loss making for years, the last annual report (for the FY2014), SBS incurred a $13.5m loss on their bus business.
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Originally posted by SBS351M:
Doesn't mean bigger engine = more fuel consumed. A smaller engine can consume a lot more fuel if its not suited for the type of operation. There are articles online about car engine sizes and whether smaller engines are more efificient and the general opinion is that it is not really true, and I'm sure it is the case for buses.
Also take note that besides SMRT not doing well on their bus business, the bus business of SBS is also loss making for years, the last annual report (for the FY2014), SBS incurred a $13.5m loss on their bus business.
I totally agree with you. But I think he meant that buying so many of those (SD) buses outweigh benefits of buses with bigger engine sizes.
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Add 1S (aka 966S103)
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Originally posted by SBS351M:
Doesn't mean bigger engine = more fuel consumed. A smaller engine can consume a lot more fuel if its not suited for the type of operation. There are articles online about car engine sizes and whether smaller engines are more efificient and the general opinion is that it is not really true, and I'm sure it is the case for buses.
Also take note that besides SMRT not doing well on their bus business, the bus business of SBS is also loss making for years, the last annual report (for the FY2014), SBS incurred a $13.5m loss on their bus business.
If youre running a transport business,road tax and insurance is one of your concern,if a 1.5 turbo diesel can did the job well as a 2.5 twin turbo diesel which one do you choose?Im not saying A22 is fuel guzzler but the maintenance price is higher than those normal turbodiesel buses let alone the parts.
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Originally posted by carbikebus:
If youre running a transport business,road tax and insurance is one of your concern,if a 1.5 turbo diesel can did the job well as a 2.5 twin turbo diesel which one do you choose?Im not saying A22 is fuel guzzler but the maintenance price is higher than those normal turbodiesel buses let alone the parts.
Yes, I hate to admit but an A22 is kinda impractical in SG, even though they are the one of the best SD I've ever rode, alongside the E200...
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Too overrated i should say,Even SMRT Taros already can run nicely at expressway.
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Suspect 965 have add 1 DD other than the 3 SD (1540L to 1542G)
Saw 4 DD on 965 today, 2 perm+ 2 cameo DD. 5062Z, 3537J,5061B are on consecutive slot. 3530C is between 1330B n 1336K
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Originally posted by TIB 585L:
Suspect 965 have add 1 DD other than the 3 SD (1540L to 1542G)
Saw 4 DD on 965 today, 2 perm+ 2 cameo DD. 5062Z, 3537J,5061B are on consecutive slot. 3530C is between 1330B n 1336K
Random DD always cameo on svc 169,187,961,965 and 969.At least twice a week consider majority of these svc BCs have DD license.
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Originally posted by carbikebus:
Random DD always cameo on svc 169,187,961,965 and 969.At least twice a week consider majority of these svc BCs have DD license.
5061B driven by non 965 SL, Mr Yang Jing i think his name, never seen him before. 3537J driven by 3531A SL, 5062Z n 3530C driven by perm 965 SL
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Originally posted by TIB 585L:
5061B driven by non 965 SL, Mr Yang Jing i think his name, never seen him before. 3537J driven by 3531A SL, 5062Z n 3530C driven by perm 965 SL
Aha,Mostly standby BCs.Previously there is a standby Amdep BC with DD license driving 67 bendy when the bus declared breakdown during the fourth last bus iirc..Replacement bus towards Tampines is SMB3610E.
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Suspect 300 have another fleet downgrade... now got 3 rigids SMB1322A, SMB1323Y, SMB1524J.... will further observe SMB1323Y again...
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Originally posted by carbikebus:
If youre running a transport business,road tax and insurance is one of your concern,if a 1.5 turbo diesel can did the job well as a 2.5 twin turbo diesel which one do you choose?Im not saying A22 is fuel guzzler but the maintenance price is higher than those normal turbodiesel buses let alone the parts.
If I'm running a transport business, I will do the overall costs carefully and look out for reviews, because I know a car with a smaller engine may not be the best, whether in terms of reliability or fuel efficiency or maintenance cost. Which is basically my point in my last post.
Also how would you know for sure which buses have higher maintenance costs especially when these buses are still quite new and are likely to be tied to maintenance contracts and info therein are likely to be commercial-in-confidence. Oh, your depot friends, best apparent source of information.
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Originally posted by SMB42P:
Suspect 300 have another fleet downgrade... now got 3 rigids SMB1322A, SMB1323Y, SMB1524J.... will further observe SMB1323Y again...
I think it is okay if sv 300 gets downgrades IMO, because 983 covers its high loading part of ave 4, and 983 has got better frequency / more HC buses now.
301 needs fleet add badly.
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Originally posted by carbikebus:
Too overrated i should say,Even SMRT Taros already can run nicely at expressway.
A22 can conquer slopes better than Citaro...
Also, quieter...
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Originally posted by SMB128B:
A22 can conquer slopes better than Citaro...
Also, quieter...
what 'slopes' do we have here?
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i happy. 969 got one more double decker. but got many bendies still. surprise shud kick out the bendy now from 969 and replace all double decker and give bendy to short trunk feeder route.
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Originally posted by proudtobeme:
i happy. 969 got one more double decker. but got many bendies still. surprise shud kick out the bendy now from 969 and replace all double decker and give bendy to short trunk feeder route.
Or the bendies could always be given to 858.
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Originally posted by TIB868X:
what 'slopes' do we have here?
Kembangan Hill (67, 854). Entry towards expy eg. Lentor Flyover (858, 965, 969)
All these are pretty minor I know... But I really don't think its overrated as claimed... It is a wonderful make, better than the Taro definitely. Unfortunately it just has no arena to perform in here...
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Originally posted by SMB128B:
Kembangan Hill (67, 854). Entry towards expy eg. Lentor Flyover (858, 965, 969)
All these are pretty minor I know... But I really don't think its overrated as claimed... It is a wonderful make, better than the Taro definitely. Unfortunately it just has no arena to perform in here...
Big talent with no stage. They're really useful for routes with a lot of climbing (or routes with one or two very steep climbs) but there may not be many (36, 173?)
I am curious as to the consequences of having an overly powerful bus when it's not really needed in terms of engineering (not operating optimally). I do think they give drivers more confidence in driving the bus (can overtake as well as other cars etc).
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Originally posted by TIB868X:
Big talent with no stage. They're really useful for routes with a lot of climbing (or routes with one or two very steep climbs) but there may not be many (36, 173?)
I am curious as to the consequences of having an overly powerful bus when it's not really needed in terms of engineering (not operating optimally). I do think they give drivers more confidence in driving the bus (can overtake as well as other cars etc).
Prob leads to strains on the bus, resulting in higher maintenance freq, aging and plagues of problems...