LTA's Bus Service Enhancement Program - BSEP (Part 3)
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Originally posted by Acx1688:
Its a heavily duplicated route...
sv3,83,85 serve punggol central...
The other side has 50,LRT...
50 freq at Punggol Drive is max 11mins. .
LRT is 7/8mins
REDUNDANT service, another white elephant route like 11...
No bro... this is much required service for Waterway residents... Waterway Banks is already open... and people are living there... Waterway Ridges will start occupation by end of year..
These HDBs are around 800m-1km away from Oasis... depending on HDB location... they ofcourse need a service.
Plus sv 386 will get extended in future along Waterway ... if you saw new HDB announcement.. yet more projects announced along Waterway near Punggol east.
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Originally posted by carbikebus:
Nevermind ah bro,Our Govt is famous for wasting taxpayer and its own ppl money mah..Create stupid problems expect others cleaned for them..whats new?I dont agree with your statement for sv 386.. you need to see the purpose of this service... it is for new Waterway HDB residents that have no LRT/bus service... Also you should see like Keat Hong... Waterway is the next huge development.
In fact by 2018-2020, Punggol will be the largest town in Singapore.
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I dont quite get it why HDB is developing Waterway (100+ buildings) before doing Punggol Dr...
So many empty plots along Oasis/Kadaloor/Damai LRT... no announcements yet... and vacant area...
Waterway has no LRT... and now new bus service... yet full area to south of waterway has HDB projects.. V interesting the way HDB has alloted plots for development.
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Originally posted by dupdup77:
Hi mr Acx1688, yes it is a bit redundant. Sbs 136 also serves Punggol central. As seen from my other post, sbs 386 makes residents along edgefield plains walk much lesser. It also helps alleviate crowded sbs 3 and 83 and 85 from Punggol mrt to the east end of Punggol central, bringing it to the level of yr 2010 when spectra is not there yet. Nowadays spectra bus stop is quite heavy passenger load. Cheers.
dupdup.. i think you are highly mistaken. sv 386 does not go to Spectra... people there still have to rely on 3/83/85 to get to Punggol Interchange and these three services are more than enough... not all areas are pampered with so many services...
so your rationale to support 386 is wrong.
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Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:
dupdup.. i think you are highly mistaken. sv 386 does not go to Spectra... people there still have to rely on 3/83/85 to get to Punggol Interchange and these three services are more than enough... not all areas are pampered with so many services...
so your rationale to support 386 is wrong.
Hi mr busanalyser, before you say I am highly mistaken in bold, I think you are the one who is highly mistaken. Go to the actual place and check it out first, ok? Sbs 386 will turn left to edgefield plains. There will be a pair of new bus stops right there near to spectra which I think you conveniently left out or you are not aware of. The pair of new bus stops 65381 and 65389 will serve Punggol spectra residents as well as the 2 huge rented blocks and the church. Take note Punggol spectra residents are a mere 100 to 150 metres away from edgefield plains. So your rationale is wrong and my reasoning is right. It will offload some of those who take sbs 3/83/85 and let those who take sbs 3/83/85 to the fourth Punggol central bus stop Blk 649 return to the pre-2010 timing level. Cheers.
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Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:
dupdup... the HDBs along Edgefield plains end are the Waterway HDBs... Have you been there?
You live in Punggol right? Go there and see the development along the Waterway stretch. 386 will in future turn right and do the entire Waterway stretch catering to all HDBs there. This is a good and much needed service.
Ty LTA.
Hi mr busanalyser, I am correct leh. Sbs 386 brings you to edgefield plains near the waterway. The waterway is huge. You cannot say sbs 386 brings you to waterway la. The waterway comprises many portions(Punggol rd, Punggol way, sentul crescent, edgefield plains, edgedale plains and Punggol east). So logically speaking sbs 386 only brings you to edgefield plains near the waterway. If you say it brings you to waterway, you are telling everybody it brings you to the whole waterway which in fact sbs 386 only brings you to one part of the waterway which is nearest edgefield plains. Cheers.
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Originally posted by SBS7123J:
While I agree on 123M's extension to Harbourfront I don't see any need for 123 to extend to Harbourfront either unless the missing link between Harbourfront and Outram Road/Havelock Road as well as the link in between Holland Road/Napier Road/Napier Road and Harbourfront is vital. Furthermore 123M will be a full day service.
In the first place, if 123 is not extended to HarbourFront, it seems a bit strange for the new 123M to be numbered as such...
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Originally posted by Acx1688:
dd, pple at spectra either ve cars or use lrt...
Students ve 3,83,85,136 better freq y wan to take 386?
Hi mr Acx1688, this is how I judge.
For people at spectra having cars -best! No need public transport.
For people at spectra with no cars -no choice take sbs 3, 83, 85 alight at Punggol central, take sbs 386 alight at edgefield plains. LRT is no-no. No LRT nearby except oasis LRT which is 400 meters away. May as well take sbs 3, 83, 85 which brings to doorstep. (I observe heavy crowds getting off spectra bus stop on many evening nights)
For people living at the 2 rented blocks at edgefield plains next to the church, 3 cheers for them. They have sbs 386 at their doorstep with the erection of a pair of new bus stops just outside their house.
For people living deep inside edgefield plains near waterway, sbs 386 is the only choice (doorstep). Unless they want walk to Punggol drive take sbs 50 or oasis LRT or Damai LRT (within or not within walking distance depending on which block). Nobody does that just to connect to take mrt.
For students (Punggol view, edgefield pri and Punggol sec), sbs 386 will be an extra service. If it comes, just take it. If not, just take sbs 3, 83, 85, 136. For Punggol view students, they have an extra sbs 34, 50, 84. Punggol view is just 300 meters from mrt. Walk there will do. No need take bus. Cheers.
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Originally posted by dupdup77:
Hi mr busanalyser, before you say I am highly mistaken in bold, I think you are the one who is highly mistaken. Go to the actual place and check it out first, ok? Sbs 386 will turn left to edgefield plains. There will be a pair of new bus stops right there near to spectra which I think you conveniently left out or you are not aware of. The pair of new bus stops 65381 and 65389 will serve Punggol spectra residents as well as the 2 huge rented blocks and the church. Take note Punggol spectra residents are a mere 100 to 150 metres away from edgefield plains. So your rationale is wrong and my reasoning is right. It will offload some of those who take sbs 3/83/85 and let those who take sbs 3/83/85 to the fourth Punggol central bus stop Blk 649 return to the pre-2010 timing level. Cheers.
The pair of bus stops is near Punggol Secondary school. Why would anyone walk to Edgefield plains, when they have a pair of bus stops right outside Spectra on Punggol Central? Also, you have 3 services - sv 3/83/85 - this means you have a bus every 04-05 minutes to Punggol Int... will you wait at the stop along central or walk to Edgefield plains and wait for bus for 10-12 mins??
I think you are highly egoistic not to admit your mistake.
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Originally posted by dupdup77:
Hi mr busanalyser, I am correct leh. Sbs 386 brings you to edgefield plains near the waterway. The waterway is huge. You cannot say sbs 386 brings you to waterway la. The waterway comprises many portions(Punggol rd, Punggol way, sentul crescent, edgefield plains, edgedale plains and Punggol east). So logically speaking sbs 386 only brings you to edgefield plains near the waterway. If you say it brings you to waterway, you are telling everybody it brings you to the whole waterway which in fact sbs 386 only brings you to one part of the waterway which is nearest edgefield plains. Cheers.
You know I get so irritated when you write... because you act like a dumb person... then in that case when you write Edgefield plains... it is also all along... it is from Waterway, Punggol Dr, Punggol Central, Punggol Field...
Can you not use little common sense before typing? If 386 serves Waterway HDBs it does... and this service is introduced for Waterway HDBs... not for Punggol Central or Spectra... as you mention.
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Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:
The pair of bus stops is near Punggol Secondary school. Why would anyone walk to Edgefield plains, when they have a pair of bus stops right outside Spectra on Punggol Central? Also, you have 3 services - sv 3/83/85 - this means you have a bus every 04-05 minutes to Punggol Int... will you wait at the stop along central or walk to Edgefield plains and wait for bus for 10-12 mins??
I think you are highly egoistic not to admit your mistake.
Hi mr busanalyser, these are typical words from those who are not staying here. First there are many types of people. Some will cross roads. Some will not walk across the roads. For those staying near the edgefield plains, why need walk across the road and walk further down to the stop at Punggol central? How about the 2 rented blocks of flats which have the bus service just downstairs?
Haha. 3 services guarantee you every 4 to 5 min? That is why you have to hand it to people who stayed in Punggol central near the end of the road. Words coming from somebody who does not stay there holds much less water than those who stay there.
Sbs 85 frequency is out. More than 15 min. Sbs 3 goes very long winded route from tampines/pasir ris. At times, you can have 2 min frequency along Punggol central. At times you can wait until 20 min. Lucky we have sbs 83 which is the consistent 10 min per bus because there is some control at sengkang interchange where they segregate out the buses even though it is looping.
So before you come out with those big words, please seek the opinion of those who stay here who certainly experience more than you. Cheers.
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Originally posted by dupdup77:
Hi mr busanalyser, these are typical words from those who are not staying here. First there are many types of people. Some will cross roads. Some will not walk across the roads. For those staying near the edgefield plains, why need walk across the road and walk further down to the stop at Punggol central? How about the 2 rented blocks of flats which have the bus service just downstairs?
Haha. 3 services guarantee you every 4 to 5 min? That is why you have to hand it to people who stayed in Punggol central near the end of the road. Words coming from somebody who does not stay there holds much less water than those who stay there.
Sbs 85 frequency is out. More than 15 min. Sbs 3 goes very long winded route from tampines/pasir ris. At times, you can have 2 min frequency along Punggol central. At times you can wait until 20 min. Lucky we have sbs 83 which is the consistent 10 min per bus because there is some control at sengkang interchange where they segregate out the buses even though it is looping.
So before you come out with those big words, please seek the opinion of those who stay here who certainly experience more than you. Cheers.
I dont need to.. I am on the ground.. I write what I see... it is not made-up stuff.. I have reviewed the waterway area.. and punggol area many times... sengkang has one of my biggest clients and we are working on a huge huge project there.. i go to punggol many times.. even to matilda side... so maybe you can bully others.. but not me...
ideal frequency of a bus at Punggol central is 05 minutes.. now if bus is late etc. etc.. that is another topic.. anyway... i dont see point in arguing with u...
I just want to reiterate this service 386 is not launched for Spectra residents.. it is launched for residents along Waterway.. to be more precise Waterway Banks and Waterway Ridges.
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Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:
You know I get so irritated when you write... because you act like a dumb person... then in that case when you write Edgefield plains... it is also all along... it is from Waterway, Punggol Dr, Punggol Central, Punggol Field...
Can you not use little common sense before typing? If 386 serves Waterway HDBs it does... and this service is introduced for Waterway HDBs... not for Punggol Central or Spectra... as you mention.
Hi mr busanalyser, ok I am the dumbest guy in Singapore and you are the cleverest. Let me repeat. Sbs 386 is introduced for the HDB flats at edgefield plains nearest the waterway. Those housing estates along Punggol central and also the side estates lying at the fringe of edgefield plains such at Punggol spectra and Punggol breeze and edgedale green estates benefit. Even those outside at the far edges also benefit since they have a faster journey indirectly when people take to sbs 386. Cheers.
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Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:
I dont need to.. I am on the ground.. I write what I see... it is not made-up stuff.. I have reviewed the waterway area.. and punggol area many times... sengkang has one of my biggest clients and we are working on a huge huge project there.. i go to punggol many times.. even to matilda side... so maybe you can bully others.. but not me...
ideal frequency of a bus at Punggol central is 05 minutes.. now if bus is late etc. etc.. that is another topic.. anyway... i dont see point in arguing with u...
I just want to reiterate this service 386 is not launched for Spectra residents.. it is launched for residents along Waterway.. to be more precise Waterway Banks and Waterway Ridges.
Hi mr busanalyser, I did not say it is launched for spectra residents. I say spectra residents benefit as it is along the route around the fringes. Not unlike you which you state sbs 386 did not go to spectra which you are totally wrong and refuse to admit it and say I am highly mistaken. You are the one who is highly mistaken! I also do not feel any sense to argue with you as I realize that you are 1 guy who always resort to big words to cover up when you are obviously in the wrong. When I did not antagonize you and you antagonize people first just like the case first when you type I am mistaken in bold. Look who is the one really mistaken!
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Originally posted by dupdup77:
Hi mr busanalyser, I did not say it is launched for spectra residents. I say spectra residents benefit as it is along the route around the fringes. Not unlike you which you state sbs 386 did not go to spectra which you are totally wrong and refuse to admit it and say I am highly mistaken. You are the one who is highly mistaken! I also do not feel any sense to argue with you as I realize that you are 1 guy who always resort to big words to cover up when you are obviously in the wrong. When I did not antagonize you and you antagonize people first just like the case first when you type I am mistaken in bold. Look who is the one really mistaken!
Think you are highly mistaken
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Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:
Think you are highly mistaken
My personal experience tells me 3 weeks upon sbs 386 is launched, others living at the end of Punggol central will have a faster journey back, equivalent to the pre-2010 timing from Punggol MRT as sbs 386 will absorb some load. Cheers.
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Originally posted by dupdup77:
My personal experience tells me 3 weeks upon sbs 386 is launched, others living at the end of Punggol central will have a faster journey back, equivalent to the pre-2010 timing from Punggol MRT as sbs 386 will absorb some load. Cheers.
LOL
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One majistrate another lawyer..wahlao give it a rest la..You guess correctly also LTA rich..In case you didnt know i knew the person who planned this 386 route happy?
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Originally posted by SBS5010P:
New bus service Feeder 386
Punggol Int - Edgefield Plains (Loop)
A new feeder service, Service 386, operated by SBS Transit will make it easier for residents at Edgefield Plains to get to Punggol MRT and Bus Interchange. It’ll ply Punggol Central, Edgefield Plains and serve 3 schools – Edgefield Primary, Punggol View Primary and Punggol Secondary.
Service 386 is the 30th new bus service to be rolled out under the #BSEPDuplicates 83/62. Seems like the route i proposed has become a reality lol
https://www.facebook.com/WeKeepYourWorldMoving/photos/pcb.701383396598566/701383219931917/?type=1&theater
Route Extension of Bus Service 123M
Harbourfront Int - Tiong Bahru rd (Loop)
SBS Transit’s Service 123M will be extended to ply between Harbourfront bus interchange and Tiong Bahru Road, and its operating hours will be extended to include weekday off-periods and weekends, and more trips will be added to enhance service levels.
The extended route will not only provide better access to commuters heading to Harbourfront MRT station and Tiong Bahru MRT station, but also give convenient access to amenities such as Bukit Purmei Hillock Park, Harbourfront Centre, Radin Mas Primary School and VivoCity.https://www.facebook.com/WeKeepYourWorldMoving/photos/pcb.701383396598566/701383229931916/?type=1&theater
Dirty LTA trick.
Trying to fill up its eighty svcs like this.
Why not think in the long run and introduce a svc to Seletar/Yishun via the upcoming semi-expressway, bypassing that area and other Waterway flats? Instead of stop gap measures like this?
Think this svc would be first to be scrapped under the new BSEP policy.
And we can also re-route 85 to HG which for now has no direct service to Yishun as of now. So the new svc can replace 85 in Punggol.
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Originally posted by SMB128B:
Dirty LTA trick.
Trying to fill up its eighty svcs like this.
Why not think in the long run and introduce a svc to Seletar/Yishun via the upcoming semi-expressway, bypassing that area and other Waterway flats? Instead of stop gap measures like this?
Think this svc would be first to be scrapped under the new BSEP policy.
And we can also re-route 85 to HG which for now has no direct service to Yishun as of now. So the new svc can replace 85 in Punggol.
Bro, i agree with your statement on LTA's dirty tricks...
It shows LTA has run out of ideas n r just filling in the gaps...
Seletar Aerospace park needs a link to nearest MRT stn, Punggol, where is it?
As mentioned, the PTC approve routes can be used, so y nt implement it? Shows LTA PLANNERS HAVE VERY BIG EGO...
Cancel 275 n renumber 123M is redundant, just adding to numbers
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Originally posted by Acx1688:
Bro, i agree with your statement on LTA's dirty tricks...
It shows LTA has run out of ideas n r just filling in the gaps...
Seletar Aerospace park needs a link to nearest MRT stn, Punggol, where is it?
As mentioned, the PTC approve routes can be used, so y nt implement it? Shows LTA PLANNERS HAVE VERY BIG EGO...
Cancel 275 n renumber 123M is redundant, just adding to numbers
incoming 859A and 859B ...
what is LTA thinking?
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recently alot of "M" services haha
like so easy like that intro new service, overlaying existing service
i am hoping more routes like "service 50" type
OT: is 98M the first "M" service?
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Just a heads up of the recent 243 BSEP addition:
SBS3389K (SL 143) is on Service 243G today, while SBS3390E (SL 143) is on Service 243W today. On the other hand, SBS3398J (SL 243G) is on 192 today (Just like on Day 1).
@BusAnalayzer
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Originally posted by azharjj:
recently alot of "M" services haha
like so easy like that intro new service, overlaying existing service
i am hoping more routes like "service 50" type
OT: is 98M the first "M" service?
Yes... We need to see more long distance routes.. where are those?
Need something from NEL to Woodlands via Punggol, Yishun..
Need service from Sembawang to Bukit Batok via Woodlands, BPJ Ring road
Need service from Sembawang to CCK via Yishun ring road, Mandai...
** LTA we need more long distance routes.
** On another note, 386 is needed... contrarty to what most are saying and I see that it will be extended to the full Waterway complex in future.
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Originally posted by SMB145B:
incoming 859A and 859B ...
what is LTA thinking?
Yes, Sembawang needs a new feeder instead of 859A/B...