LTA's Bus Service Enhancement Program - BSEP (Part 3)
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Originally posted by Acx1688:
No idea... Yes 89e is the exceptional service not calling at the bus
Hi mr Acx1688, I think you make a typo. Sbs 89e will call at the TPE stop. The number is on the bus stop 1b panel at TPE stop. Cheers.
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Originally posted by SBS 9631X:
I'm not too sure about this, but there might be a link between Sv 53's latest e-tt change WEF 11 Aug (yesterday) and me spotting 6470M today new-new on Sv 53..
Sv 410 has no e-tt change on 11 Aug though. So the e-tt change is due to what they did to Sv 53..hmm.
i have long suspected that 53 no longer have crossovers to 410 so that shld be confirmed then as i have not been seeing any 53 buses do 410 during PM Peak
or 6470 could have just been a normal cameo replacing a random bus
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Originally posted by SMB1333T:
i have long suspected that 53 no longer have crossovers to 410 so that shld be confirmed then as i have not been seeing any 53 buses do 410 during PM Peak
or 6470 could have just been a normal cameo replacing a random bus
Today observed following buses on 410G/410W
3285B, 8749Y, 3403C, 8379G, 8537S, 7515L (all on 410W)
8499T, 8292Y, 5153K, 6625 (all on 410G)
* Disclaimer: since i am not good with rego numbers, could be possible one of the letters is wrong.
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All, strange. Today they covered up more numbers with black stickers at the TPE bus stop. Maybe they want keep it secretive. Haha. Cheers.
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Originally posted by SMB1333T:
i have long suspected that 53 no longer have crossovers to 410 so that shld be confirmed then as i have not been seeing any 53 buses do 410 during PM Peak
or 6470 could have just been a normal cameo replacing a random bus
Erm. The thing is, if Sv 410 is affected (like what you said with removing the 53/410 x-overs), there would be a e-tt change for both Sv 53 & 410.
But like what I had mentioned earlier, the e-tt change on 11 Aug only affected Sv 53. Sv 410's e-tt wasn't touched in this latest change. So I don't think it's due to removing any x-overs to Sv 410 for this 11 Aug revision.
But as to why Sv 410's last e-tt change was on 14 Jul, that might explain your 53/410 removal (ie. the 14 Jul change might be for the removal of that x-over, but not this 11 Aug e-tt change for Sv 53). Hope this clarifies your misunderstanding somewhat? -
Originally posted by dupdup77:
Hi mr Acx1688, I think you make a typo. Sbs 89e will call at the TPE stop. The number is on the bus stop 1b panel at TPE stop. Cheers.
i din make typo...
I assume express service will not stop, but i was wrong... -
Its wise for 89e to stop there cause of Punggol catchment..SBST very smart
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Originally posted by carbikebus:
Its wise for 89e to stop there cause of Punggol catchment..SBST very smart
Hi mr carbikebus, it only benefits fully those living near TPE stop. For those living further inside, it benefits partially. Most still have to use sbs 3 or sbs 34 as transfer. Cheers.
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Originally posted by SBS 9631X:
Erm. The thing is, if Sv 410 is affected (like what you said with removing the 53/410 x-overs), there would be a e-tt change for both Sv 53 & 410.
But like what I had mentioned earlier, the e-tt change on 11 Aug only affected Sv 53. Sv 410's e-tt wasn't touched in this latest change. So I don't think it's due to removing any x-overs to Sv 410 for this 11 Aug revision.
But as to why Sv 410's last e-tt change was on 14 Jul, that might explain your 53/410 removal (ie. the 14 Jul change might be for the removal of that x-over, but not this 11 Aug e-tt change for Sv 53). Hope this clarifies your misunderstanding somewhat?Erm maybe you misunderstood me. What i meant is that 410 had no e-tt change on 11 Aug was because the 53/410 crossovers were already removed previously at an earlier date even before 14 Jul, as i have alr not been seeing them for a very long time. Hence what change 53 had did not affect 410 on 11 Aug.
I was not saying that the change which 53 had on 11 Aug was for the removal of 53/410 crossovers
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Nowadays 113 and 113A PM peak freq at kovan station 5 - 10mins sometimes arrive earlier than usual expected timings.. But hougang side 20mins max.. could use another fleet add for hg side
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Services that will stop on the TPE slip road new bus stop come 24 August. 39, 109 and 168 will be introduced at a later date as they left out spaces for them at the bus stop plates.
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Originally posted by SBS9C:
Services that will stop on the TPE slip road new bus stop come 24 August. 39, 109 and 168 will be introduced at a later date as they left out spaces for them at the bus stop plates.
Wouldn't there be more heavy traffic congestion? :x I kind of dislike the design of this pair of bus stops seriously :/
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Originally posted by SBS9C:
Services that will stop on the TPE slip road new bus stop come 24 August. 39, 109 and 168 will be introduced at a later date as they left out spaces for them at the bus stop plates.
Hi mr SBS9C, there is still smrt 858 and smrt 969. How come smrt not announced yet? Are they in first phase or second phase (together with sbs 39, 109, 168)? Can't wait for smrt 858-1 stop to Changi and smrt 969 -1 stop to tampines mrt!!! Should be in 1st phase as I saw the red stickers cover up only sbs 39, 109, 168 on the first day. The rest of the numbers including smrt 858 and 969 are left exposed to all in full view. Furthermore smrt 969 will have double deckers soon! Shiok.
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Originally posted by SBS9C:
Services that will stop on the TPE slip road new bus stop come 24 August. 39, 109 and 168 will be introduced at a later date as they left out spaces for them at the bus stop plates.
From the services to call at TPE bus stop, seems like only those that turn left into Sengkang and right into Punggol are stopping here for now. All those that go further on TPE have not been announced.
Is it because LTA does not want the speed on these services to be hampered and thinks that Jalan Kayu stop where 39/168/858 stop should be enough for transfer?
Might be they are waiting to see the traffic pattern before throwing it open to more services.
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Originally posted by SBS 9631X:
Erm. The thing is, if Sv 410 is affected (like what you said with removing the 53/410 x-overs), there would be a e-tt change for both Sv 53 & 410.
But like what I had mentioned earlier, the e-tt change on 11 Aug only affected Sv 53. Sv 410's e-tt wasn't touched in this latest change. So I don't think it's due to removing any x-overs to Sv 410 for this 11 Aug revision.
But as to why Sv 410's last e-tt change was on 14 Jul, that might explain your 53/410 removal (ie. the 14 Jul change might be for the removal of that x-over, but not this 11 Aug e-tt change for Sv 53). Hope this clarifies your misunderstanding somewhat?The 53/410 crossover was removed earlier this year, when 410 gotten DD and when Sv55 start their crossover to 410 with DDs...
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22 45 50 72 will be getting BSEP fleet add wef from 18/8/14... there should be more services involved...
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Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:
From the services to call at TPE bus stop, seems like only those that turn left into Sengkang and right into Punggol are stopping here for now. All those that go further on TPE have not been announced.
Is it because LTA does not want the speed on these services to be hampered and thinks that Jalan Kayu stop where 39/168/858 stop should be enough for transfer?
Might be they are waiting to see the traffic pattern before throwing it open to more services.
Hi mr busanalyser, possible. They do not want throw everything at 1 go. But the next phase will see all sbs 39, 109, 168, smrt 858 and smrt 969 all go in.
Their numbers at bus plate at bus stop 1a (168, 858, 969) and bus stop 1b (39, 109) are already in place. Cheers.
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Originally posted by dupdup77:
Hi mr busanalyser, possible. They do not want throw everything at 1 go. But the next phase will see all sbs 39, 109, 168, smrt 858 and smrt 969 all go in.
Their numbers at bus plate at bus stop 1a (168, 858, 969) and bus stop 1b (39, 109) are already in place. Cheers.
39 should have been at 1a with 858 and 969, no!!?
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Originally posted by lemon1974:
22 45 50 72 will be getting BSEP fleet add wef from 18/8/14... there should be more services involved...
sv 50 def needs WEG add... significantly high loading.. also needs SD --> DD conversion
sv 45 should be WEG add... because this service has many long distance travellers just like 161/168.. people who board at Serangoon, alight only Bedok onwards.
sv 22.. not sure if really needed BSEP this one... route duplicates 65 all the way from Macpherson
sv 72.. even with 05 minute frequency, loading is very high during peak hours... so maybe makes sense.. also PM at Tampines.. loading gone up again... guess new to higher occupancy around ave 6 where sv 72 is the only MRT direct service.
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I have to say 143M was just a nice to have but does not really provide significant advantage..
It does not connect any new areas... it pampers the same areas that have sv 79 with almost full fleet DD every 08-10 mins and sv 143 with almost full fleet DDs as well with 08-10 mins frequency.
143M buses are picking up passengers, but if you observe, if 143M takes 50-60 pax, the bus behind 143 will pick almost no pax from Pandan to JE. Same goes for sv 79. sv 79 comes empty from Penjuru in AM to Teban and if 143M has called, sv 79 comes empty to interchange. Earlier sv 79 would get good 50-60 pax from Teban towards interchange. If sv 79 or 143 have called before, 143M goes empty.
Bunching of 143M is inevitable with 143 or 79 since the frequency of other two services also quite good.
It is a waste of resources according to me that could have been used for a new service some where else.
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Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:
39 should have been at 1a with 858 and 969, no!!?
Hi mr busanalyser, I took photos on the first day but don't know how to insert into here for all to see.
bus stop 1a ---27, 34, 168, 858, 969
bus stop 1b ---3, 39, 88, 89, 89e, 109
This is the way they place on the number plates.
So, some from bus stop 1a and some from 1b will be implemented on 24 August. Cheers.
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79 freq on sundays and PHs sucks. Freq of 40 minutes max. Few days ago i was queueing up for Sv 51 to joyride then got one uncle queueing for Sv 79 asked me did Sv 79 just went off? I have been waiting here for 30 minutes. I said nope and i said uncle, why you never take 143/143M? He said he can only take 79 to his home in Teban? I said uncle, 79 is an industrial svc so Sundays u have to wait very long. When 79 finally came, he went up with a sigh. The amazing thing is those foreign workers waiting for 79 only queued up when 79 is arriving in 10 mins, which proves that they are smart enuf to queue for 79 when it is arriving.
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Wow
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All, LTA announced the new East coast mrt line, extended from Thomson line. With this announcement, we should know that bus services will always play a second fiddle to the MRT which is their main mode of public transport. With this being implemented in Yr 2024, buses along those territories will be made just sufficient to handle the load. We do not expect any major shake-up in the bus services around there. Neither will we expect any new services at those areas. Cheers.
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Originally posted by dupdup77:
All, LTA announced the new East coast mrt line, extended from Thomson line. With this announcement, we should know that bus services will always play a second fiddle to the MRT which is their main mode of public transport. With this being implemented in Yr 2024, buses along those territories will be made just sufficient to handle the load. We do not expect any major shake-up in the bus services around there. Neither will we expect any new services at those areas. Cheers.
Well, we cannot totally replace Buses with Rail Transport. That's too expensive and so not feasible (I wonder why nowadays MRT stations are only 1km apart. shouldn't they be at least 2km apart to effectively separate the crowd and travel fast?)
anyway, let's discuss more on the new East Coast MRT Line (and many more Rail Transport developments) at Let's talk about our RAIL future. (at 'Singapore Trains' forum)