LTA's Bus Service Enhancement Program - BSEP (Part 3)
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Originally posted by Acx1688:
The issue is NOT to carry the MRT pax, it is to provide an alternative from Punggol to Town which Punggol Estate is SORELY LACKING, 569 is PREMIUM NT TRUNK, PUNGGOL is the only far flung housing estate without a proper trunk bus route to town
Combine the fleet of 82/107, remove four citaros
If need be readjust fleet to demand
You saw the 9hr fiasco...
Open for discussions, anyone can continue or counter claim or voice against, just no name calling, TQ
Although I agree that Punggol needs a bus alternative to town, I don't think combining 82 and 107 is the best option. Since there's already MRT, such a bus service should provide faster travel time by using expressway, and serve more areas not directly connected to MRT/LRT.
Not suggesting the detailed route in full, but such a bus svc can ply areas in Punggol and/or Sengkang not served by LRT, then go onto KPE exit at Sims Way, then serve Kallang, Beach Rd, Suntec/Marina Centre, MBS then Shenton Way. City Direct variant (654 for Sengkang, possible future svc for Punggol?) can go by KPE/MCE direct to Shenton Way, skipping Kallang/Suntec/MBS.
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Originally posted by SBS2656X:
If you still don't think so, wait until Sengkang West Avenue opens and service 85 or 965 will get a revamp to ply Yishun Avenue 1.
Do you mean Sengkang West Road? Or the extension of Sengkang West Way to Sengkang West Road itself? What does 85 or 965 got to do with Sengkang West Avenue which.is already accessible?
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Originally posted by SBS2656X:
Hougang Int is already having parking issues due to the high amount of bus services. Always jam up the entrance whenever it's raining.
There was a plan of Service 117 from Hougang to Bukit Batok back in 2001 but it was never introduced.
Punggol is ulu place for now, because introducing it within this year is a waste of resources for the PTOs since about 70% of the flats won't be fully constructed within this year. The other reason is the very obvious transport hub at TPE. Punggol residents are encouraged to access bus services from there. Furthermore it's pointless to introduce more Punggol routes towards the city because it'l definitely ply Punggol Road (Service 82, 83, 136, ), Punggol Way (43, 119) or Punggol East (50, 62, 85) and cause more duplications. NEL isn't there for no reason. If you still don't think so, wait until Sengkang West Avenue opens and service 85 or 965 will get a revamp to ply Yishun Avenue 1.Hi mr SBS2656X, your reasoning does not link to the initial statements which you make. You say LTA will not be touching anymore on Punggol and hougang until much longer later which definitely will not be true.
You say hougang int is already having parking issues due to the high amount of bus services. Then why introduce 1 more bus service in sept to further worsen it?
Back in yr 2001, objective then is different from nowadays. Ever since NEL was opened, long routes to North east were all rationalized. Current route introduction are all quite short. So seriously you think they still will give you such a long route from hougang to Boon Lay?
We are not saying to introduce any more routes in Punggol in yr 2014. But there will not be a hub until yr 2019-2020. Punggol Watertown Mall is up in end yr 2015 but that is not a hub. So going by your earlier statements, there will not be bus service introduced from 2015 till 2019? How will those people in new flats react?
Whoever says introduce new bus services by Punggol way, Punggol road or Punggol east will just cause duplications? You think they will not ply other different routes once it is out of Punggol. 1 or 2 similar roads do not make it a full duplication. In other estates, some have few bus services having similar roads out ot that estates, so Punggol should be no different.
Take note they are also building a new Punggol highway road deep inside which will directly link Punggol road to pasir ris which will not go through TPE. This will connect those waterway flats to pasir ris and will also need new bus services. Next time, TPE may not be that frequently used by Punggol residents once this inter town road link is up by end 2015!
Your last statement is indeed strange! What sengkang west avenue??? Service 85 or 965 why need goes by yishun ave 1 which is accessible through seletar west link from Punggol. Current route by TPE and SLE to lentor and yishun ave 2 for 85 and to woodlands for 965 will be sufficient and good enough. Cheers.
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Originally posted by SBS2656X:
Hougang Int is already having parking issues due to the high amount of bus services. Always jam up the entrance whenever it's raining.
There was a plan of Service 117 from Hougang to Bukit Batok back in 2001 but it was never introduced.
Punggol is ulu place for now, because introducing it within this year is a waste of resources for the PTOs since about 70% of the flats won't be fully constructed within this year. The other reason is the very obvious transport hub at TPE. Punggol residents are encouraged to access bus services from there. Furthermore it's pointless to introduce more Punggol routes towards the city because it'l definitely ply Punggol Road (Service 82, 83, 136, ), Punggol Way (43, 119) or Punggol East (50, 62, 85) and cause more duplications. NEL isn't there for no reason. If you still don't think so, wait until Sengkang West Avenue opens and service 85 or 965 will get a revamp to ply Yishun Avenue 1.Punggol is going to be the biggest town in Singapore, even bigger than Woodlands and Tampines as per HDB report.
Current services plying Punggol road will not be able to cater to loading once ocuupancy increases. Also NEL already crowded. Lta has to take steps to get express services from Punggol to make few ppl take bus instead of mrt when they are traveling to say Hougang or Serangoon and thats where more services that ply inner roads will be useful.
For example when sv 62 plies Punggol Field, many people prefer to take it to Hougang than take LRT and MRT. So a lot more of such services are encouraged.
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Originally posted by 201911:
Although I agree that Punggol needs a bus alternative to town, I don't think combining 82 and 107 is the best option. Since there's already MRT, such a bus service should provide faster travel time by using expressway, and serve more areas not directly connected to MRT/LRT.
Not suggesting the detailed route in full, but such a bus svc can ply areas in Punggol and/or Sengkang not served by LRT, then go onto KPE exit at Sims Way, then serve Kallang, Beach Rd, Suntec/Marina Centre, MBS then Shenton Way. City Direct variant (654 for Sengkang, possible future svc for Punggol?) can go by KPE/MCE direct to Shenton Way, skipping Kallang/Suntec/MBS.
For that u have city direct services. No need full day route because return journey empty. Services have to ply central estates to warrant full day service. Also 107 extension is not meant for Punggol residents to take to Shenton, it is more for those who want to go to Potong, Kallang, Beach road can have direct service.
Today these folks have to take NEL to Potong or Boon Keng and then change to bus. Just direct service will help with growing population.
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Originally posted by dupdup77:
Hi mr SBS2656X, your reasoning does not link to the initial statements which you make. You say LTA will not be touching anymore on Punggol and hougang until much longer later which definitely will not be true.
You say hougang int is already having parking issues due to the high amount of bus services. Then why introduce 1 more bus service in sept to further worsen it?
Back in yr 2001, objective then is different from nowadays. Ever since NEL was opened, long routes to North east were all rationalized. Current route introduction are all quite short. So seriously you think they still will give you such a long route from hougang to Boon Lay?
We are not saying to introduce any more routes in Punggol in yr 2014. But there will not be a hub until yr 2019-2020. Punggol Watertown Mall is up in end yr 2015 but that is not a hub. So going by your earlier statements, there will not be bus service introduced from 2015 till 2019? How will those people in new flats react?
Whoever says introduce new bus services by Punggol way, Punggol road or Punggol east will just cause duplications? You think they will not ply other different routes once it is out of Punggol. 1 or 2 similar roads do not make it a full duplication. In other estates, some have few bus services having similar roads out ot that estates, so Punggol should be no different.
Take note they are also building a new Punggol highway road deep inside which will directly link Punggol road to pasir ris which will not go through TPE. This will connect those waterway flats to pasir ris and will also need new bus services. Next time, TPE may not be that frequently used by Punggol residents once this inter town road link is up by end 2015!
Your last statement is indeed strange! What sengkang west avenue??? Service 85 or 965 why need goes by yishun ave 1 which is accessible through seletar west link from Punggol. Current route by TPE and SLE to lentor and yishun ave 2 for 85 and to woodlands for 965 will be sufficient and good enough. Cheers.
In all honesty, HG interchange is crowded. Serangoon is crowded. Where to get new service from? HGDEP should start operating bus service like AMDEP.
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By the time before Punggol is fully develop,Svc 119 will become popular
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Originally posted by dupdup77:
Hi mr SBS2656X, your reasoning does not link to the initial statements which you make. You say LTA will not be touching anymore on Punggol and hougang until much longer later which definitely will not be true.
You say hougang int is already having parking issues due to the high amount of bus services. Then why introduce 1 more bus service in sept to further worsen it?
Back in yr 2001, objective then is different from nowadays. Ever since NEL was opened, long routes to North east were all rationalized. Current route introduction are all quite short. So seriously you think they still will give you such a long route from hougang to Boon Lay?
We are not saying to introduce any more routes in Punggol in yr 2014. But there will not be a hub until yr 2019-2020. Punggol Watertown Mall is up in end yr 2015 but that is not a hub. So going by your earlier statements, there will not be bus service introduced from 2015 till 2019? How will those people in new flats react?
Whoever says introduce new bus services by Punggol way, Punggol road or Punggol east will just cause duplications? You think they will not ply other different routes once it is out of Punggol. 1 or 2 similar roads do not make it a full duplication. In other estates, some have few bus services having similar roads out ot that estates, so Punggol should be no different.
Take note they are also building a new Punggol highway road deep inside which will directly link Punggol road to pasir ris which will not go through TPE. This will connect those waterway flats to pasir ris and will also need new bus services. Next time, TPE may not be that frequently used by Punggol residents once this inter town road link is up by end 2015!
Your last statement is indeed strange! What sengkang west avenue??? Service 85 or 965 why need goes by yishun ave 1 which is accessible through seletar west link from Punggol. Current route by TPE and SLE to lentor and yishun ave 2 for 85 and to woodlands for 965 will be sufficient and good enough. Cheers.
We need some long distance routes as well. At least something like sv 50 and 972. These are the best routes introduced. And not redundant routes like sv 116. Even sv 49 should have been longer than what it is. 120 I wont comment anymore. 121 is a good route between Tiong Bahru and Tehlok Blangah. 4, 20 are good routes.
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Originally posted by carbikebus:
By the time before Punggol is fully develop,Svc 119 will become popular
Yes will get more pax but route does residential to residential, hence loading wont be heavy. Also Punggol Field area that 119 plies already is occupied. Few condos coming up. Once Matilda is up in 2017 will surely have a trunk as well that will pass through Sengkang. Hence, I feel 119 loading will increase but still something manageable by SDs. I think sv like 3, 82, 83 will all need dds.
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Punggol-Clementi & Punggol-Bt Panjang in future trust me,Wahkao i do sound like someone here ah
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Service 119 (10 buses)
Depot:
- Hougang Depot (HGDEP)
Buses:
SBS962A SBS2644E
2 Volvo B10M Mark IV (1 DM / 1 Strider)SBS6197C SBS6237X SBS6302R SBS6306E SBS6427P SBS6607L SBS6718A SBS6732H
8 Mercedes-Benz O530 Citaro (2 Batch 1 / 2 BSEP Batch 1 / 1 BSEP Batch 2 / 3 Batch 2)Why is SBST not removing the DDs? Besides, the KUBs are not so much needed so they should be given to 27 which needs more KUBs.
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Service 115 (2 buses)
Depot:
- Hougang Depot (HGDEP)
Buses:
SBS6460S SBS6713M
2 Mercedes-Benz O530 Citaro (1 BSEP Batch 2 / 1 Batch 2)The B10Ms are retiring. Besides, 27's Citaros should be given away and replaced with more KUBs.
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Service 156 (21 buses)
Depots:
- Hougang Depot (HGDEP)
- Bukit Batok Depot (BBDEP)
Buses:
- Hougang Depot (15 buses)
SBS1981M SBS2631S
2 Volvo B10M Mark IV (2 Strider)SBS6100G SBS6184P SBS6190X SBS6194K SBS6215J SBS6217D SBS6219Z SBS6724G SBS6728X
8 Mercedes-Benz O530 Citaro (7 Batch 1 / 2 Batch 2)SBS8133Z SBS8143U SBS8309J SBS8675B
4 Scania K230UB (3 Batch 2 Euro IV / 1 Batch 1 Euro V)- Bukit Batok Depot (6 buses)
SBS2743C
1 Volvo B10M Mark IV (1 DM3500)SBS6106R SBS6210Y
2 Mercedes-Benz O530 Citaro (2 Batch 1)SBS8069B SBS8071T SBS8693Z
3 Scania K230UB (2 Batch 1 Euro IV / 1 Batch 1 Euro V) -
One of the weirdest deployments is the dual depot 141. What's the point?
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Service 27 (32 buses)
Depot:
- Hougang Depot (HGDEP)
Buses:
SBS6068S SBS6135G SBS6137B SBS6138Z SBS6140R SBS6225E SBS6715H SBS6716E SBS6723J SBS6724G SBS6727Z SBS6731K SBS6733E
13 Mercedes-Benz O530 Citaro (6 Batch 1 / 7 Batch 2)SBS8134X SBS8135T SBS8139H SBS8148G SBS8194Y SBS8249Z SBS8445Z SBS8620J SBS8672J SBS8673G SBS8718L SBS8719J SBS8720D SBS8721B SBS8740X SBS8741T SBS8742R SBS8743M SBS8745H
19 Scania K230UB (7 Batch 2 Euro IV / 12 Batch 1 Euro V) -
All, the traffic at TPE near the bus stop area was damn smooth with the opening of the TPE bus stops. There are no hiccups at all. I observe for 3 hours in the afternoon. There are so few passengers at the TPE stop. Expected because today is a Sunday and not many know that the bus stop has opened today. Cheers!
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Originally posted by dupdup77:
All, the traffic at TPE near the bus stop area was damn smooth with the opening of the TPE bus stops. There are no hiccups at all. I observe for 3 hours in the afternoon. There are so few passengers at the TPE stop. Expected because today is a Sunday and not many know that the bus stop has opened today. Cheers!
Svc.168 busstop plate was up as well?
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Originally posted by TIB1234T:
Svc.168 busstop plate was up as well?
Hi mr TIB1234T, sbs 168 number is still covered up in black. The same goes for sbs 39, 109, 858, 969. Yes a few people have already complained because that is the purpose, direct to bedok town which at present Punggol does not have. So near and yet no direct bus to bedok! Cheers.
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SBS6068S HGDEP 27
SBS6100G HGDEP 156
SBS6215J HGDEP 156
SBS6713M HGDEP 115
SBS6714K HGDEP 107
SBS6715H HGDEP 27
SBS6716E HGDEP 27
SBS6717C HGDEP 34
SBS6718A HGDEP 119
SBS6723J HGDEP 27
SBS6724G HGDEP 156
SBS6725D HGDEP 43
SBS6726B HGDEP 113
SBS6727Z HGDEP 27
SBS6728X HGDEP 156
SBS6729T HGDEP 34
SBS6730M HGDEP 163
SBS6731K HGDEP 27
SBS6732H HGDEP 119
SBS6733E HGDEP 27Note: This list excludes the original 27 perm Citaros.
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Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:
For that u have city direct services. No need full day route because return journey empty. Services have to ply central estates to warrant full day service. Also 107 extension is not meant for Punggol residents to take to Shenton, it is more for those who want to go to Potong, Kallang, Beach road can have direct service.
Today these folks have to take NEL to Potong or Boon Keng and then change to bus. Just direct service will help with growing population.
I suggest they have the "city direct" on weekends too.
Ease loading on MRT and also provide much better alternative. Also further encourages weekend shoppers in the non-MRT areas to give up cars.
And thus the puzzling question: Why are the Cityshopper routes axed? Too expensive?
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Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:
In all honesty, HG interchange is crowded. Serangoon is crowded. Where to get new service from? HGDEP should start operating bus service like AMDEP.
Hi mr busanalyser, there should be another new bus interchange at Punggol north at least in the planning together with the HDB flats and condos right now. No way can current bus interchange handle the crowds in 5 yrs time. I am exploring those empty land areas and still under URA planning. Because the Punggol highway road which links inter-town (not intra-town) is expected to be functional come yr 2016. Even tampines will have 2 bus interchanges, 1 at tampines central and 1 at tampines north. Cheers.
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Originally posted by carbikebus:
Punggol-Clementi & Punggol-Bt Panjang in future trust me,Wahkao i do sound like someone here ah
Hehe.. but the Trust me man... really has insider information... and his information is always correct..
he is missing for quite some time... looks like smrt got hold of him.
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Originally posted by SBS3004X:
Service 119 (10 buses)
Depot:
- Hougang Depot (HGDEP)
Buses:
SBS962A SBS2644E
2 Volvo B10M Mark IV (1 DM / 1 Strider)SBS6197C SBS6237X SBS6302R SBS6306E SBS6427P SBS6607L SBS6718A SBS6732H
8 Mercedes-Benz O530 Citaro (2 Batch 1 / 2 BSEP Batch 1 / 1 BSEP Batch 2 / 3 Batch 2)Why is SBST not removing the DDs? Besides, the KUBs are not so much needed so they should be given to 27 which needs more KUBs.
The DDs are from BSEP not SBST
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Originally posted by SBS3004X:
Service 115 (2 buses)
Depot:
- Hougang Depot (HGDEP)
Buses:
SBS6460S SBS6713M
2 Mercedes-Benz O530 Citaro (1 BSEP Batch 2 / 1 Batch 2)The B10Ms are retiring. Besides, 27's Citaros should be given away and replaced with more KUBs.
Wrong thread... this should be under "Own deployment" thread.
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Originally posted by dupdup77:
All, the traffic at TPE near the bus stop area was damn smooth with the opening of the TPE bus stops. There are no hiccups at all. I observe for 3 hours in the afternoon. There are so few passengers at the TPE stop. Expected because today is a Sunday and not many know that the bus stop has opened today. Cheers!
You waited at bus stop or you can see from your house window?
