Originally posted by SMB128B:I suggest they have the "city direct" on weekends too.
Ease loading on MRT and also provide much better alternative. Also further encourages weekend shoppers in the non-MRT areas to give up cars.
And thus the puzzling question: Why are the Cityshopper routes axed? Too expensive?
Agreed... they should have city direct 850E and 951E with a little route modified.. instead of going Shenton should loop around Thomson... can also run full day unlike weekdays coz many ppl like to throng to Orchard area... Additional buses can be added as any way fleet is less for most buses on sundays/ph.
Originally posted by carbikebus:Punggol-Clementi & Punggol-Bt Panjang in future trust me,Wahkao i do sound like someone here ah
Hi mr carbikebus, frankly speaking of course I will like these 2 routes. But I don't see it coming, even in the future. The routes will be very lengthy and they do not fit in their plans of 'mrt first, bus second.' Punggol being situated at 1 end still does not have direct bus service to town or CBD.
Furthermore, circle line benefits many NE residents immensely more than others. In a few years time, the downtown line will benefit many in the northeast too since there is little India interchange for us to hop on to. This should eliminate those super long distance bus services which we all want them to introduce. Cheers.
Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:You waited at bus stop or you can see from your house window?
Hi mr busanalyser, I went to the bus stop specifically to observe. There is an overhead bridge which people can see clearly the traffic at the other side. My house is deep inside Punggol central so cannot observe from window. Cheers.
Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:Hehe.. but the Trust me man... really has insider information... and his information is always correct..
he is missing for quite some time... looks like smrt got hold of him.
Hi mr busanalyser, carbikebus, who has insider info? Help to share here. Thanks. Cheers.
Originally posted by dupdup77:Hi mr carbikebus, frankly speaking of course I will like these 2 routes. But I don't see it coming, even in the future. The routes will be very lengthy and they do not fit in their plans of 'mrt first, bus second.' Punggol being situated at 1 end still does not have direct bus service to town or CBD.
Furthermore, circle line benefits many NE residents immensely more than others. In a few years time, the downtown line will benefit many in the northeast too since there is little India interchange for us to hop on to. This should eliminate those super long distance bus services which we all want them to introduce. Cheers.
Certainly you can't be kidding me?!
MRT FIRST?! I gotta laugh man.
Even in HK you alr have many ppl voicing against the idea alr. In what state of mind are you thinking that 3,4 car trains running at snail speed will fulfill "MRT first"?!
I mean, surely you couldnt be thinking that car owners lust for a crammed, 20+ stop journey with countless transfers more than cars when going from east to west?!
I tell you firsthand, I gave up faith in the country's MRT system when they announced the TEL plan. With such a long network and serving so densely populated areas with such a long line and all it gets are... 4-car trains.
I really dont see how ppl will really think the MRT is a pleasure to utilise with all these medium-capacity lines popping up everywhere. The CCL is already struggling under optimum capacity along the Thomson to Paya Lebar stretch, yet LTA REFUSE to learn its lesson and continue to spam the island with these lines! Even at places without support of existing trunk lines eg. Marine Parade and Bukit Panjang!
I hope the CRL will prove me wrong. But until then I strongly support long-haul express buses and I think SG is not yet quite ready to make MRT "first".
Originally posted by SMB128B:Certainly you can't be kidding me?!
MRT FIRST?! I gotta laugh man.
Even in HK you alr have many ppl voicing against the idea alr. In what state of mind are you thinking that 3,4 car trains running at snail speed will fulfill "MRT first"?!
I mean, surely you couldnt be thinking that car owners lust for a crammed, 20+ stop journey with countless transfers more than cars when going from east to west?!
I tell you firsthand, I gave up faith in the country's MRT system when they announced the TEL plan. With such a long network and serving so densely populated areas with such a long line and all it gets are... 4-car trains.
I really dont see how ppl will really think the MRT is a pleasure to utilise with all these medium-capacity lines popping up everywhere. The CCL is already struggling under optimum capacity along the Thomson to Paya Lebar stretch, yet LTA REFUSE to learn its lesson and continue to spam the island with these lines! Even at places without support of existing trunk lines eg. Marine Parade and Bukit Panjang!
I hope the CRL will prove me wrong. But until then I strongly support long-haul express buses and I think SG is not yet quite ready to make MRT "first".
Hi mr SMB128B, as can be seen from my first sentence, I am also eagerly awaiting such long distance routes. So don't get too worked up. Cheers!
Originally posted by SMB128B:Certainly you can't be kidding me?!
MRT FIRST?! I gotta laugh man.
Even in HK you alr have many ppl voicing against the idea alr. In what state of mind are you thinking that 3,4 car trains running at snail speed will fulfill "MRT first"?!
I mean, surely you couldnt be thinking that car owners lust for a crammed, 20+ stop journey with countless transfers more than cars when going from east to west?!
I tell you firsthand, I gave up faith in the country's MRT system when they announced the TEL plan. With such a long network and serving so densely populated areas with such a long line and all it gets are... 4-car trains.
I really dont see how ppl will really think the MRT is a pleasure to utilise with all these medium-capacity lines popping up everywhere. The CCL is already struggling under optimum capacity along the Thomson to Paya Lebar stretch, yet LTA REFUSE to learn its lesson and continue to spam the island with these lines! Even at places without support of existing trunk lines eg. Marine Parade and Bukit Panjang!
I hope the CRL will prove me wrong. But until then I strongly support long-haul express buses and I think SG is not yet quite ready to make MRT "first".
No MRT experience today is a pleasure. NEL super crowded.. EWL/NSL super crowded as well.. even though these are long trains...
Buses on the contrary are better... Most SBST services people can get place to sit during peak hours also these days including heavily crowded services like 72 and 88. Most trunk services are very good with high capacity (except CGA services).
So LTA should not sideline buses... and focus only on MRT lines everywhere. Having a good bus network with dedicated lanes wherever possible is very important.
Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:No MRT experience today is a pleasure. NEL super crowded.. EWL/NSL super crowded as well.. even though these are long trains...
Buses on the contrary are better... Most SBST services people can get place to sit during peak hours also these days including heavily crowded services like 72 and 88. Most trunk services are very good with high capacity (except CGA services).
So LTA should not sideline buses... and focus only on MRT lines everywhere. Having a good bus network with dedicated lanes wherever possible is very important.
Even CCL is crowded during off-peak hours, made worse with its 3-carriage trains.
Originally posted by SMB128B:Certainly you can't be kidding me?!
MRT FIRST?! I gotta laugh man.
Even in HK you alr have many ppl voicing against the idea alr. In what state of mind are you thinking that 3,4 car trains running at snail speed will fulfill "MRT first"?!
I mean, surely you couldnt be thinking that car owners lust for a crammed, 20+ stop journey with countless transfers more than cars when going from east to west?!
I tell you firsthand, I gave up faith in the country's MRT system when they announced the TEL plan. With such a long network and serving so densely populated areas with such a long line and all it gets are... 4-car trains.
I really dont see how ppl will really think the MRT is a pleasure to utilise with all these medium-capacity lines popping up everywhere. The CCL is already struggling under optimum capacity along the Thomson to Paya Lebar stretch, yet LTA REFUSE to learn its lesson and continue to spam the island with these lines! Even at places without support of existing trunk lines eg. Marine Parade and Bukit Panjang!
I hope the CRL will prove me wrong. But until then I strongly support long-haul express buses and I think SG is not yet quite ready to make MRT "first".
DTL has to use 3-car trains because it has to use the provisions at Bayfront (cross-platform transfer with CCL) and Chinatown (DTL platforms were designed together with NEL). That's why LTA has ordered a great number of trains for DTL to ensure its frequency.
CRL will use at least 6-car trains according to the documents, and 8-car trains are possible.
Originally posted by carbikebus:LTA should less introduce so called short trunk svc and instead introduce long routes like svc 5,23,30,39..How to persuade car owners to switch to PT when trains are so crowded like sardine and bus network that only reach among neighbourhood only?What we want is a Boon Lay-Hougang,Buona Vista-Woodlands,Bt Batok-Sembawang,Jurong East-Changi Village…
Yes... LTA needs to introduce going forward 2 types of routes
1. Feeder services for new housing hubs that do not have connectivity to at least one MRT (very much needed like sv 386 or sv 4 - not feeder but similar principle)
2. Services like 50 and 972...that connects many estates and are long distance...
3. No routes like 51 and 61 that are super long. Routes should be between 15 and 25 kms with exception of those that ply long distance on expressway then 30 kms is okay
4. Please stop introducing more services lik 116, 120, 49... all these are okay in their own right but should have been longer... 49 should ideally have looped somewhere around Jurong West Ave 4/5 or Boon Lay (without terminating at interchange), 116 should def have been longer (this service has such poor loading), 120 also should have been longer (Bukit Merah via Tehlok Blangah going further).
Originally posted by carbikebus:LTA should less introduce so called short trunk svc and instead introduce long routes like svc 5,23,30,39..How to persuade car owners to switch to PT when trains are so crowded like sardine and bus network that only reach among neighbourhood only?What we want is a Boon Lay-Hougang,Buona Vista-Woodlands,Bt Batok-Sembawang,Jurong East-Changi Village…
They should still have short service eg. 38, 69, for short distance pax.
Only with short service can you then make more long trunks express.
Honestly I really dont know what is holding LTA back from introducing express long trunks. If it is problems of cost then charge express svcs fees lah, this is no longer the 80's where ppl are so stingy about their spending on public transport. After all, time is money. If it is problems of loading support I dont see the problem either as the fact that a service is express will alr have attracted many to use the service, and as long as it is direct and pass by town centres... Example is one of my favourite routes in HK, NWFB 798... Plying minimal residential areas with 70% of its journey on expressway, yet forming extremely long queues during peak and especially weekends.
Hi all, anybody here has the confirmed route for the soon-to-be launched hougang new Sbstransit bus service? Thanks. Cheers.
Government's Policy is for RAIL NETWORK and bus complmentary, hub n spoke...
Idea has not changed...
Only when the Rail Plan is 70% complete, bus routes will be revamped...
Look at the contracts that are "up for grabs" in 2022...
Originally posted by SBS7557R:Even CCL is crowded during off-peak hours, made worse with its 3-carriage trains.
CCL weekends at BSH is a nitemare...
Originally posted by SBS2656X:Not feasible. LTA mentioned specifically to avoid introducing too many long-haul routes.
If 82/107 is merged, there will be half the buses available to ferry the people, and more prone to traffic conditions.
Correct but 82/107 will save a few buses and introduce DDs to cope if the demand increases...
As mentioned, 82/107 is utilised during peak but off peak is half full for 107, 82 around 3/4
Originally posted by SBS3688Y:i feel the merger of 82 & 107 route is still not too long. Rather, LTA should focus on long routes that pass through several bottlenecks and then amend it to skip some bottlenecks to improve service.
if LTA wants to shorten long routes, then I rather they start cutting off those long loop services first and terminate from the existing loop point to a nearby Int or terminal. eg 36?
36 route is not long... it goes via expressway half of the entire route
Originally posted by SMB128B:I suggest they have the "city direct" on weekends too.
Ease loading on MRT and also provide much better alternative. Also further encourages weekend shoppers in the non-MRT areas to give up cars.
And thus the puzzling question: Why are the Cityshopper routes axed? Too expensive?
Bro, City Direct is partial premium... No one wants to pay
Cityshopper axed
1. tt time of introduction, Punggol is not as developed as it is now
2. Frequency
3. Cost
Originally posted by dupdup77:Hi mr carbikebus, this is it.
Towards changi direction,
bus stop 1a (nearest flyover)-27,34,168,858,969 (no problem)
bus stop 1b (furthest from flyover)-3,39,88,89,89e,109 (no problem)
Towards SLE direction,
bus stop 1a (furthest from flyover)-3,34,39,109,168,858,969 (all need turn right to Punggol or need move out to go straight, thus need to be furthest from flyover)
bus stop 1b (nearest flyover)-27,88,88,89e (all turn left to sengkang -no problem)
Woohoo! The day we have been waiting for 2 years is finally here! Finally the TPE bus stop is in operation with half of the bus services! Cheers!
Eh, since the bus stop was planned, there shldn t be any congestion moving in and out...
For detractors, please do down to take a look and see how big the area is...
Originally posted by Acx1688:Eh, since the bus stop was planned, there shldn t be any congestion moving in and out...
For detractors, please do down to take a look and see how big the area is...
Hi mr Acx1688, definitely no problems. The second phase of buses (sbs 39, 109, 168, 858, 969) will be introduced very soon. This is what everybody wants. The super express buses which ply a huge portion of the expressway!!! Cannot wait for that day to come! Cheers!
All, anybody has the insider info on the route for the upcoming new hougang bus service? Very interested to know the route as this will give us an idea on the planning. Cheers. Anybody, thanks!
Originally posted by SMB128B:Certainly you can't be kidding me?!
MRT FIRST?! I gotta laugh man.
Even in HK you alr have many ppl voicing against the idea alr. In what state of mind are you thinking that 3,4 car trains running at snail speed will fulfill "MRT first"?!
I mean, surely you couldnt be thinking that car owners lust for a crammed, 20+ stop journey with countless transfers more than cars when going from east to west?!
I tell you firsthand, I gave up faith in the country's MRT system when they announced the TEL plan. With such a long network and serving so densely populated areas with such a long line and all it gets are... 4-car trains.
I really dont see how ppl will really think the MRT is a pleasure to utilise with all these medium-capacity lines popping up everywhere. The CCL is already struggling under optimum capacity along the Thomson to Paya Lebar stretch, yet LTA REFUSE to learn its lesson and continue to spam the island with these lines! Even at places without support of existing trunk lines eg. Marine Parade and Bukit Panjang!
I hope the CRL will prove me wrong. But until then I strongly support long-haul express buses and I think SG is not yet quite ready to make MRT "first".
But can't simply look at the number of train cars. I'd rather have 4 cars at 2mins interval than 6 cars at 3min or even 8 cars at 4mins. A compromise has to be made somewhere. Afterall it is a medium density line (If you don't understand the concept, look at U-bahn services in Germany).
What I really don't like as well is the high density of stops. It is as if you are planning a new bus route that stops every 800m instead of 400m, except that it is on a track and in tunnels. Makes it suffer all the disadvantages of buses (many stops), trains (long dwell times, high building cost - probably 20 to 30bil this time for the whole TEL) and making it really not comparable with the comfort and speed of cars.
They just don't seem to be looking towards making something that car users will want to utilise, but rather to just force them use public transport by lowering the COE quota/quantity.
Originally posted by Bus Stopping:But can't simply look at the number of train cars. I'd rather have 4 cars at 2mins interval than 6 cars at 3min or even 8 cars at 4mins. A compromise has to be made somewhere. Afterall it is a medium density line (If you don't understand the concept, look at U-bahn services in Germany).
What I really don't like as well is the high density of stops. It is as if you are planning a new bus route that stops every 800m instead of 400m, except that it is on a track and in tunnels. Makes it suffer all the disadvantages of buses (many stops), trains (long dwell times, high building cost - probably 20 to 30bil this time for the whole TEL) and making it really not comparable with the comfort and speed of cars.
They just don't seem to be looking towards making something that car users will want to utilise, but rather to just force them use public transport by lowering the COE quota/quantity.
Someway I feel DTL west is better planned than TSL.
TSL you have Bright Hill and Upper Thomson so close.. Again you have Napier, Orchard Boulevard and Orchard - three stops so close by... even by bus it is like 5 stops between Napier and Orchard... dunno what they are thinking while planning so many stations..
You just kill the speed and the bus network around as well.