LTA's Bus Service Enhancement Program - BSEP (Part 3)
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Originally posted by SBS2656X:
The problem with CCL now is the additional CCLe. That was unplanned for, and during the peak hours, almost all of the trains will be in service, and during off peak, most of the trains will need to go for servicing. And occasionally some would show problems in the middle of revenue service and had to be called off from service.
The fleet they ordered was enough for CCL, but with CCLe, it wasn't.This rumour has been passed around for quite some time.
I choose not to trust that, because CCLe is just 2 stations out of 31.
If a fleet of trains cannot cope with 2 additional stations, then how would it be sufficient for the 29 stations in the first place?
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Originally posted by SBS2656X:
Then what would bus services that plow through various towns for?
If trains are fast, direct and efficient, 190 would be already abolished by NSL
I'm sure you are intelligent enough to know what I meant.
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Originally posted by Bus Stopping:
Yes, DTL is somehow better planned, but if they had a bypass tunnel Jalan Besar and Rochor it would be even better. It defeats the purpose of it being a effective alternative to EWL just because of the detour into marina bay. Ends up it would still be faster to take a bus directly (66, 67 anyone) that bypass the city center. Don't even talk about driving.
Perhaps it is a way for the gov't to improve land prices around the stations, so the more the merrier.
I think DTL is Bukit Panjang to CBD and Tampines/Bedok Reservoir to city. LTA does not care to connect Bukit Timah to Serangoon road.. and maybe wants people to use bus here.. Surely bus will be faster as just Chinatown-Bugis stretch takes 15 minutes.
Even Chinatown to Bugis, I thought will affect loading on sv 2/12 big time but even now PM peaks, you see 40-45 pax board at Chinatown and around 30-35 pax alight at Bugis.
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Originally posted by SBS2656X:
DTL is made for people to get to the city faster, not to bypass the city.
There is always a way to transfer at Caldecott to CCL and then back to DTL at Macpherson.DTL does not do Caldecott...
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Originally posted by SBS2656X:
Yeah, something like 965M or 103M or 85M.
I believe it will be a completely new service.
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Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:
DTL does not do Caldecott...
Haha I confused DTL with TEL haha.
But yeah, even at Botanic Gardens, there is also 151 as an alternative to get to MacPherson quickly. -
Originally posted by SBS5010P:
Let me guess, the DD upgrade for 518 who would take the credit?
Should be LTA. (BSEP) Since SBST is the one who's stubborn enough not to put DDs on 518
It is a 38x series DD - It is from SBST... not LTA or BSEP... and SBST has not been stubborn... it has given DDs to many services..
It also tried DDs on 228 but realized did not need.
It is LTA BSEP who is stubborn who has put DDs on 119 and does not bother to take them out and give to other service instead. Have too many DDs for them to give anyhow to whichever service they fancy.
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More train stations meaning more hike in house pricing near MRT stn,Another clever and effective projects by men in white..
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Originally posted by SBS2656X:
Haha I confused DTL with TEL haha.
But yeah, even at Botanic Gardens, there is also 151 as an alternative to get to MacPherson quickly.154 as well...
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Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:
It is a 38x series DD - It is from SBST... not LTA or BSEP... and SBST has not been stubborn... it has given DDs to many services..
It also tried DDs on 228 but realized did not need.
It is LTA BSEP who is stubborn who has put DDs on 119 and does not bother to take them out and give to other service instead. Have too many DDs for them to give anyhow to whichever service they fancy.
If you realised that if there are upgrades by LTA to bus services, it would be widely promoted with that big LTA logo.
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Originally posted by carbikebus:
More train stations meaning more hike in house pricing near MRT stn,Another clever and effective projects by men in white..
Where is all the money coming from?
Currently... population is growing.. but was reading report that not growing at what gahment projects...
Government projection very high according to me...
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Originally posted by SBS2656X:
If you realised that if there are upgrades by LTA to bus services, it would be widely promoted with that big LTA logo.
Hmmm.. why are you telling me that? Your point...? :)
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It's always a quiet initiative by SBST to do tweaks to their bus services.
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Originally posted by SBS2656X:
The problem with CCL now is the additional CCLe. That was unplanned for, and during the peak hours, almost all of the trains will be in service, and during off peak, most of the trains will need to go for servicing. And occasionally some would show problems in the middle of revenue service and had to be called off from service.
The fleet they ordered was enough for CCL, but with CCLe, it wasn't.Pardon my ignorance, wats CCLe?
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Originally posted by Acx1688:
Pardon my ignorance, wats CCLe?
Circle Line Extension, which will again be extended in like 2030 to Harbourfront.
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Originally posted by SBS2656X:
It's always a quiet initiative by SBST to do tweaks to their bus services.
Yes and they do it regularly... and in a nice way!
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Originally posted by SBS2656X:
It's always a quiet initiative by SBST to do tweaks to their bus services.
Yes but not all the time they get in right...
7,133 still deploys SDs on weekends
Night freq 14 is extremely good
Weekend 10 freq v good but not tt many passengers
36,48 weekend/ph freq is terrible but no improvement done
14,16 however has benefitted from frequent fleet additions(non bsep) as there are cash cows
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Originally posted by SBS2656X:
Circle Line Extension, which will again be extended in like 2030 to Harbourfront.
Thank you for pointing out, its a matter of time aft Tanjong Pagar shifts to Tuas
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Originally posted by Acx1688:
Yes but not all the time they get in right...
7,133 still deploys SDs on weekends
Night freq 14 is extremely good
Weekend 10 freq v good but not tt many passengers
36,48 weekend/ph freq is terrible but no improvement done
14,16 however has benefitted from frequent fleet additions(non bsep) as there are cash cows
Service 10, I noticed it also. I took before PM peak from Mountbatten to Kent Ridge on a Friday, and the amount of pax isn't even able to fill the bus to a quarter full. What's more on the stop itself another DD on 10 also came and overtook. And both the bus I am in and the other DD bunched all the way to Kent Ridge. Whilst waiting for 151e, about 6 more DDs on 10 arrived within 5 minutes, which none of them are even filled up by a quarter.
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Originally posted by Bus Stopping:
Well that's the whole point!
If you doubled the amount of cars to 6 per trainset on CCL, the frequency would be even worse.
Problem is the lack of foresight to order additional trains early enough to cater for increased demand on some sections. They did that a little late and the 24 sets representing 60% increase in trainsets will only come in from later this year.
If you are still seeing 5 minutes frequency on weekends, you should feedback to SMRT. On the other end of the EWL i'm getting on avg 3 mins on weekends, which is pretty decent. Also, the automated lines are easier to add trains too, don't need to plan for TO.
You mean 8-10 min freq of 6-car trains on CCL?!
And yes, I am still seeing 4-6 mins freq (mostly 5 mins). Was wondering if they were just stowing all the trains in the depots -.-
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Originally posted by SMB128B:
You mean 8-10 min freq of 6-car trains on CCL?!
And yes, I am still seeing 4-6 mins freq (mostly 5 mins). Was wondering if they were just stowing all the trains in the depots -.-
They are. Nearly half of the entire fleet is stowed in the depots for maintenance and servicing.
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Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:
I think DTL is Bukit Panjang to CBD and Tampines/Bedok Reservoir to city. LTA does not care to connect Bukit Timah to Serangoon road.. and maybe wants people to use bus here.. Surely bus will be faster as just Chinatown-Bugis stretch takes 15 minutes.
Even Chinatown to Bugis, I thought will affect loading on sv 2/12 big time but even now PM peaks, you see 40-45 pax board at Chinatown and around 30-35 pax alight at Bugis.
DTL big loop...
Made worse by slow travelling speeds...
Bugis to Chinatown only less than 10 stops, and bear in mind it is bus stops of close distance...
It's literally one road down...
Nowadays I also like to alight from EWL at Bugis and change to 2/12 to Clarke Quay and Chinatown, faster and cheaper...
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Originally posted by SBS2656X:
They are. Nearly half of the entire fleet is stowed in the depots for maintenance and servicing.
Walao eh...
Where got liddat one
While ppl are cramming away they dare to take the trains off the line?!
I mean, during off-peak on weekdays is understandable lah, but weekends too much lah...
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Originally posted by SMB128B:
Walao eh...
Where got liddat one
While ppl are cramming away they dare to take the trains off the line?!
I mean, during off-peak on weekdays is understandable lah, but weekends too much lah...
For weekends, they have put in effort to maintain over 3/4 of the trains in service.
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Originally posted by SMB128B:
You mean 8-10 min freq of 6-car trains on CCL?!
And yes, I am still seeing 4-6 mins freq (mostly 5 mins). Was wondering if they were just stowing all the trains in the depots -.-
Sun NEL early morning is at least 10mins