Originally posted by SMB128B:HK ≠ SG, firstly. In HK wrights are assembled in Zhuhai while SG, STK (or is it CDGE I forgot). So there, HK wrights aren't the most durable either so your point on quality falls.
Next. Dont generalise the order for HK, there are also a 1000 over B9s for KMB alone, so just coz 220 of them are cheaper does not mean the rest will be.
Look, I just think that for what LTA is getting they are on the shorter end of the stick since they are paying almost the same, if not more, for an older model of the make that is the B9. If they do want to take Volvo they should just convert the remaining orders (if any, good riddance lol) to B8TL directly. I think with E6 engine it will def be more worth the time.
Oh and ofc. Pls let it come w Ventura doors ans PIS.
Wrong, the current batches of Wrights are not assembled in Zhuhai anymore, but in Malaysia. KMB only has 627 new (2010s) and old (ie mid to old 2000s) B9TLs, if we talk about the newer Euro 5s B9TLs, they only have 473 right now. Singapore has more Wrights and more B9TLs than HK.
Euro 6 runs at a higher temperature which requires more cooling capabilities and it also comes with a trade off in torque (which is essential for urban operations) vs Euro 5s, and it typically comes at a higher purchasing and maintenance cost. Operators much prefer to operate older emissions standards buses than newer ones for this reason.
Why would you want Ventura doors when you have a faster, more high tech door that Masats offer.
Originally posted by SMB128B:IMO I think they shld just sell the storage B9s and buy in A24, deploy them all on feeders.. Replace old bendies, ensuring HC buses that are actually MEANT for feeders, and we can do some spring cleaning of the rubbish here. Win-win-win situation!
This was the same thing I heard when the first B9TL WEG2 was introduced back in 2010 and the order stood at 150 units.
To quote Trump: "We’re going to win so much, you’re going to be so sick and tired of winning."
Anyway after looking at that B8L due for KMB, your complaint is pretty much moot at this point. This should be the last from Volvo for Singapore.
Originally posted by SBS351M:Why would you want Ventura doors when you have a faster, more high tech door that Masats offer.
What do you think of that A22 third door and retractable platform design?
Originally posted by SBS351M:Wrong, the current batches of Wrights are not assembled in Zhuhai anymore, but in Malaysia. KMB only has 627 new (2010s) and old (ie mid to old 2000s) B9TLs, if we talk about the newer Euro 5s B9TLs, they only have 473 right now. Singapore has more Wrights and more B9TLs than HK.
Euro 6 runs at a higher temperature which requires more cooling capabilities and it also comes with a trade off in torque (which is essential for urban operations) vs Euro 5s, and it typically comes at a higher purchasing and maintenance cost. Operators much prefer to operate older emissions standards buses than newer ones for this reason.
Why would you want Ventura doors when you have a faster, more high tech door that Masats offer.
Realistically speaking, do you think Volvo buses would go with Masats doors? Anyways idm either so Masats is cool too. Anything is better than shitty trashy SMC doors.
Originally posted by SBS351M:Wrong, the current batches of Wrights are not assembled in Zhuhai anymore, but in Malaysia. KMB only has 627 new (2010s) and old (ie mid to old 2000s) B9TLs, if we talk about the newer Euro 5s B9TLs, they only have 473 right now. Singapore has more Wrights and more B9TLs than HK.
Euro 6 runs at a higher temperature which requires more cooling capabilities and it also comes with a trade off in torque (which is essential for urban operations) vs Euro 5s, and it typically comes at a higher purchasing and maintenance cost. Operators much prefer to operate older emissions standards buses than newer ones for this reason.
Why would you want Ventura doors when you have a faster, more high tech door that Masats offer.
I did chat regarding Euro VI to a GAS chief technology and he reply the same thing.Euro VI engine need additional cooling system to disperse all heat especially for our tropical climate.He also said that Euro VI is essentially a Euro V with additional upgrade to Euro VI thus the complications,Unless its a totally new engine like the MB O936 7700cc engine
Originally posted by SMB128B:Realistically speaking, do you think Volvo buses would go with Masats doors? Anyways idm either so Masats is cool too. Anything is better than shitty trashy SMC doors.
SBST spec mah,Unless SMRT also ordered B9TL last time..Only then you can see PIS/Wing mirrors like A95/E500 and possibly sliding doors and LED day running lights.
Originally posted by carbikebus:SBST spec mah,Unless SMRT also ordered B9TL last time..Only then you can see PIS/Wing mirrors like A95/E500 and possibly sliding doors and LED day running lights.
SMRT will NEVER buy a lousy make like the B9.. They know better than to copy the footsteps of SBST
Which is why they ditched the citaro and went for the more powerful, more efficient and more comfortable A22.. While SBST went on to order a THOUSAND plus of them..
Originally posted by SMB128B:SMRT will NEVER buy a lousy make like the B9.. They know better than to copy the footsteps of SBST
Which is why they ditched the citaro and went for the more powerful, more efficient and more comfortable A22.. While SBST went on to order a THOUSAND plus of them..
And LTA follow them instead 😂...SMRT mindset that high capacity buses power output should be greater mah..Unless they opt for 360hp tuned engine.
And seriously i dont mind the B9L single decker though it got 1 less seat behind,Still the standing area is roomier than Citaro.
Originally posted by carbikebus:And seriously i dont mind the B9L single decker though it got 1 less seat behind,Still the standing area is roomier than Citaro.
I agree.. The citaros on 95 felt like golf carts compared to the B9Ls on the NUS Shuttle..
Originally posted by SMB128B:I agree.. The citaros on 95 felt like golf carts compared to the B9Ls on the NUS Shuttle..
I believe those B9L doesnt have any 1st/2nd gear torque restriction thus its very powerful and using the same D9B 310hp engine like your dear B9TL..There is the 260hp version though.
But SC auto did a bad job on the rear portion where their insulation is below average..
Originally posted by carbikebus:I believe those B9L doesnt have any 1st/2nd gear torque restriction thus its very powerful and using the same D9B 310hp engine like your dear B9TL..There is the 260hp version though.
310hp is strong for an SD.. But not for DD..
what is the colour of the seats for the new A95? lush green ah?
The batch III MAN ND323F seats colour are similar to the MAN ND323F Batch 1 & 2. Expect its exterior using Facelift bodywork.
Originally posted by SMB128B:IMO I think they shld just sell the storage B9s and buy in A24, deploy them all on feeders.. Replace old bendies, ensuring HC buses that are actually MEANT for feeders, and we can do some spring cleaning of the rubbish here. Win-win-win situation!
LTA has already made it very clear that the future of bus operations will have no more bendies and bus services have been improving with lesser bendies in operations.
It will be better than LTA to continue upgrade the specs of the current B9TL fleets or looking into newer models like the B8TL, A95, K320UD and the new Enviro 500. Singapore now definitely needs more double deckers than any single deckers.
Moreover it's pointless to argue the specs since all buses are now under LTA and part of the B9TL fleet was bought in conjunction with SBST fleet purchase and LTA was at that time taking advantage of the bulk purchase discounts while trying to expand its future fleet. If you are unhappy with the specs, write to LTA, since they are now the one that has the final say about the bus designs and specs and the brands and models they want to purchase, not the bus operators.
Originally posted by TIB 585L:So the A24 are also dying after 2 yrs of lifespan?
Not likely. They will use up to their 17 years lifespan.
However they might retire early to be sold overseas or use as training buses.
Originally posted by SBS351M:Wrong, the current batches of Wrights are not assembled in Zhuhai anymore, but in Malaysia. KMB only has 627 new (2010s) and old (ie mid to old 2000s) B9TLs, if we talk about the newer Euro 5s B9TLs, they only have 473 right now. Singapore has more Wrights and more B9TLs than HK.
Euro 6 runs at a higher temperature which requires more cooling capabilities and it also comes with a trade off in torque (which is essential for urban operations) vs Euro 5s, and it typically comes at a higher purchasing and maintenance cost. Operators much prefer to operate older emissions standards buses than newer ones for this reason.
Why would you want Ventura doors when you have a faster, more high tech door that Masats offer.
These new EURO emissions standards are basically under the conditions of the European markets, which the climate is different from our tropical climate. Thus it takes time to modify the equipment in order to satisfy the standards while ensuring the reliability operating under tropical climates.
Originally posted by vicamour:LTA has already made it very clear that the future of bus operations will have no more bendies and bus services have been improving with lesser bendies in operations.
It will be better than LTA to continue upgrade the specs of the current B9TL fleets or looking into newer models like the B8TL, A95, K320UD and the new Enviro 500. Singapore now definitely needs more double deckers than any single deckers.
Moreover it's pointless to argue the specs since all buses are now under LTA and part of the B9TL fleet was bought in conjunction with SBST fleet purchase and LTA was at that time taking advantage of the bulk purchase discounts while trying to expand its future fleet. If you are unhappy with the specs, write to LTA, since they are now the one that has the final say about the bus designs and specs and the brands and models they want to purchase, not the bus operators.
With all due respect. You clearly overestimate the LTA we are talking about here. The reason why I have given up all hope on upgrading specs for B9 and Citaro is coz after SIX YEARS of buying the same shit LTA AND SBST has done NOTHING to change, besides the straight staircase formation, which btw was brought in by SMRT first with the ADL, oh the irony.
If it is so easy to write to LTA I would've done so alr. Would you like to try then? Anyways LTA will just give one of their answering machine responses, basically wasyomg time and effort.
Because LTA ppl are STUBBORN, RELUCTANT TO CHANGE and KIASI in their work. They just need their paycheck and that's all. Thats the problem with having excessively high base salaries you see, there is no incentive to break frontiers and progress even further.
This applies to bendies too. Because they are so ignorant to the fact that bendies can co exist with DDs and it doesnt have to be one over the other, that one can be used for trunks and another for short haul, thats causing regrettable decisions to be made.
Originally posted by vicamour:Not likely. They will use up to their 17 years lifespan.
However they might retire early to be sold overseas or use as training buses.
NOT before CGA gets a new DD-friendly terminal..
Originally posted by SMB128B:NOT before CGA gets a new DD-friendly terminal..
You think LTA really cares for the 3 bendies out of all services that have been deployed towards CGA.
But I would strongly condemn if they expire the 40 A24s before 12-14 years of its lifespan.
Originally posted by vicamour:LTA has already made it very clear that the future of bus operations will have no more bendies and bus services have been improving with lesser bendies in operations.
It will be better than LTA to continue upgrade the specs of the current B9TL fleets or looking into newer models like the B8TL, A95, K320UD and the new Enviro 500. Singapore now definitely needs more double deckers than any single deckers.
Moreover it's pointless to argue the specs since all buses are now under LTA and part of the B9TL fleet was bought in conjunction with SBST fleet purchase and LTA was at that time taking advantage of the bulk purchase discounts while trying to expand its future fleet. If you are unhappy with the specs, write to LTA, since they are now the one that has the final say about the bus designs and specs and the brands and models they want to purchase, not the bus operators.
I find it very hard to agree with the statement in red, to say that less bendies = better bus operations is not valid. Just look at the feeder services in Woodlands, replacing bendies with regular 12 m buses means more drivers have to be deployed, and in many cases result in more bus bunching, not less. In fact, my observation with svc 913 is that its reliability has gone down the drain ever since they added A22s into the fleet. So at least, bendy buses should be used for the feeder routes ...
Originally posted by orange28:I find it very hard to agree with the statement in red, to say that less bendies = better bus operations is not valid. Just look at the feeder services in Woodlands, replacing bendies with regular 12 m buses means more drivers have to be deployed, and in many cases result in more bus bunching, not less. In fact, my observation with svc 913 is that its reliability has gone down the drain ever since they added A22s into the fleet. So at least, bendy buses should be used for the feeder routes ...
I absolutely agree with you. They have deployed too many rigids causing further wastage of resources, bunching, traffic, parking issues, driver needs etc etc.
But now that bendies are soon going to go, they need to start deploying DDs and get away from the anti-DD mindset.
The problem also lies with SMRT,Before BCM why don't they expand or lease another place for a bigger depot.They always ask help from LTA citing overcrowding depots,So LTA let them use Bulim and Loyang respectively.They also breached their promise by deploy bendies on long haul trunks.So most probably LTA had enough..Standardise fleet.But again i strongly disagreed if they decided to scrap all bendy buses including the A24.In fact they should have buy another 30 A24 for SMRT and lease to them instead..O405G have to go because its not WAB.
Seems like SMRT doesn't like the E500.
Why not LTA just supply them A22/Citaro/A95/B9TL and transferred all E500 to TT/GA and Seletar operator instead?