New Bus Services Announced by LTA/PTOs
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Originally posted by jurongresident:
Come on la! Do not say yourself until so good leh!
For some of the bus services, the route is very obvious; if they do not go this way, they go where?
Lol.
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Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:
Don't want to sound boastful... but I think LTA does refer this forum.. In recent past, so many of my proposed routes have come out 90%-100% true.
382G/W - I had proposed is exactly similar
118 is 90% similar I would say because after Punggol West, I did make it do Punggol Field/Punggol road before touching TPE
979 also 90% similar to what I proposed, except for the fact I thought it will do Stagmont and then connect CCK North 5.
140, 102 (though I didn't expect LTA to launch 324 at that time
) also similar to what I had
proposed. 47 I was quite wrong
Rmb my service 41?
It ended up in Punggol instead of Sengkang :/
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hi all
Service 301 calls new bus-stops at keat hong close wef 3 january
it will go keat hong close before cck ave 6 & then normal route
channelnewsasia headline at bottom of screen showed SBS service 301 lol
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Originally posted by jurongresident:
Come on la! Do not say yourself until so good leh!
For some of the bus services, the route is very obvious; if they do not go this way, they go where?
118 has a thousand ways to go from Punggol to CBP... Although for some of the services it may be just coincidence, it does seem that there are too many cases already.Either LTA is looking at our suggestions or we are as good as LTA :)
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Originally posted by array88:
118 has a thousand ways to go from Punggol to CBP... Although for some of the services it may be just coincidence, it does seem that there are too many cases already.Either LTA is looking at our suggestions or we are as good as LTA :)
Hi mr array88, if for direct route, this is the most direct. LTA looking at our suggestions? They don't have to and they will not bother! They have their own planners! Cheers. Thanks.
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I feel that the LTA has a guiding principle when planning bus routes, which is that the bus service must take the fastest route to connect all the places it is created to serve.
The other principle is that, as much as possible, there must not be loss of bus connection in existing bus services. In fact, as much as possible, do not mess with the route of existing bus services. If there is loss, a new bus service must compensate back the loss. The case of Bus Services 300, 301 and 983 is a good example.
If we also apply the same principles, especially the first one on fastest possible route, we can roughly know how the route would be. My guess on bus services 382G/W was really close (it is damn obvious anyway). Maybe they decide to let it ply Sentul Crescent because that way is faster?
I used to think that the LTA has restrictions in route length, that the route must not exceed a certain length for it to be in a category (e.g. trunk). After I found out about the length of bus service 47 and the extended bus service 49, I have a feeling that there may after all be no restriction in route length. Maybe the restriction is on the travel time instead.
Nonetheless, I think feeder routes have restrictions in length. I guess only feeder route have such restrictions.
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Originally posted by jurongresident:
I feel that the LTA has a guiding principle when planning bus routes, which is that the bus service must take the fastest route to connect all the places it is created to serve.
The other principle is that, as much as possible, there must not be loss of bus connection in existing bus services. In fact, as much as possible, do not mess with the route of existing bus services. If there is loss, a new bus service must compensate back the loss. The case of Bus Services 300, 301 and 983 is a good example.
If we also apply the same principles, especially the first one on fastest possible route, we can roughly know how the route would be. My guess on bus services 382G/W was really close (it is damn obvious anyway). Maybe they decide to let it ply Sentul Crescent because that way is faster?
I used to think that the LTA has restrictions in route length, that the route must not exceed a certain length for it to be in a category (e.g. trunk). After I found out about the length of bus service 47 and the extended bus service 49, I have a feeling that there may after all be no restriction in route length. Maybe the restriction is on the travel time instead.
Nonetheless, I think feeder routes have restrictions in length. I guess only feeder route have such restrictions.
There are a lot of cases of violation of your principles:- 382G/W using Punggol Field even though Punggol Ctrl would be faster
- 20 winding around Tampines and Simei (if it was only to connect Simei - CBP, the route should have been Tampines Ave 5 - Simei St 3 - Simei Rd)
- 120's and 121's winding route between NBR and Tiong Bahru (although better than 122's duplicative route)
- 141's Toa Payoh Rise sector
- 904's winding route beyond Admiralty
- 990's weird detour around IMM
- 189's lost link between Bukit Batok and West Coast
- 117's Yishun Ave 1 which is neither the shortest nor the fastest route
- 983's CCK Grove sector (future)
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Originally posted by array88:
There are a lot of cases of violation of your principles:- 382G/W using Punggol Field even though Punggol Ctrl would be faster
- 20 winding around Tampines and Simei (if it was only to connect Simei - CBP, the route should have been Tampines Ave 5 - Simei St 3 - Simei Rd)
- 120's and 121's winding route between NBR and Tiong Bahru (although better than 122's duplicative route)
- 141's Toa Payoh Rise sector
- 904's winding route beyond Admiralty
- 990's weird detour around IMM
- 189's lost link between Bukit Batok and West Coast
- 117's Yishun Ave 1 which is neither the shortest nor the fastest route
- 983's CCK Grove sector (future)
Agree bro. Some of them here are sour grapes and do not appreciate that we are giving valuable inputs.
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Originally posted by dupdup77:
Hi mr array88, if for direct route, this is the most direct. LTA looking at our suggestions? They don't have to and they will not bother! They have their own planners! Cheers. Thanks.
I think array has given enough examples below to show LTA does not always go for direct route. Their planners have done a bad job with some of the initial route planning, and I am sure they see the data now and realize.
What they can't do is go back and modify as that will show them as "bad" and have to explain. So at least in the recent lot of services introduced, they have taken time, but their introductions in 2015 have been more sensible than before. I feel thay are not just looking here for feedback, but also from our route suggestion emails to them (which I do, even others must be) and more ground work from their side.
2014 was pathetic in the way they launched resource draining PPSS and some stupid M variants and other not so useful services.
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Originally posted by array88:
There are a lot of cases of violation of your principles:- 382G/W using Punggol Field even though Punggol Ctrl would be faster
- 20 winding around Tampines and Simei (if it was only to connect Simei - CBP, the route should have been Tampines Ave 5 - Simei St 3 - Simei Rd)
- 120's and 121's winding route between NBR and Tiong Bahru (although better than 122's duplicative route)
- 141's Toa Payoh Rise sector
- 904's winding route beyond Admiralty
- 990's weird detour around IMM
- 189's lost link between Bukit Batok and West Coast
- 117's Yishun Ave 1 which is neither the shortest nor the fastest route
- 983's CCK Grove sector (future)
Hi mr array88, for 382G/W, I support LTA decision in using Punggol field (west side) rather than Punggol central (west side). Punggol field (west side) only has Sbs 119 at doorstep. Punggol central (west side) has Sbs 43, 43M, 117, 118 at doorstep. So it is good decision. Cheers. Thanks.
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Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:
Agree bro. Some of them here are sour grapes and do not appreciate that we are giving valuable inputs.
Actually, what I wanted to do is to try to find out how the LTA plan bus routes. In this forum, many feedback are made in response to observations and experiences. The people working at LTA office are university graduates, who probably major in the field of Human Geography. In addition, they are able to determine the demands for a new bus route and the impact in demand on existing transport routes. I feel that it would be good if we know the general characteristics of the bus routes planned by the LTA, so that we can recommend better bus routes.
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Originally posted by jurongresident:
Actually, what I wanted to do is to try to find out how the LTA plan bus routes. In this forum, many feedback are made in response to observations and experiences. The people working at LTA office are university graduates, who probably major in the field of Human Geography. In addition, they are able to determine the demands for a new bus route and the impact in demand on existing transport routes. I feel that it would be good if we know the general characteristics of the bus routes planned by the LTA, so that we can recommend better bus routes.
Hi mr jurongresident, if your interest is in this field, you can work towards your goal/ambition. Study the relevant degree in local university NUS/NTU/SMU and apply for the relevant jobs and be a town planner! Cheers. Thanks.
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Originally posted by dupdup77:
Hi mr jurongresident, if your interest is in this field, you can work towards your goal/ambition. Study the relevant degree in local university NUS/NTU/SMU and apply for the relevant jobs and be a town planner! Cheers. Thanks.
but, Geography very hard. :(
Anyway, just now I say wrongly. I do not think it is geography that the route planners are major in. I think it is business. Because they are dealing with resources, and all these cost money. They have to ensure that the bus service they create are profitable, or at least have a certain amount of demand so that the loss can be as mininal as possible and can be recovered from other bus services.
by the way, I put girl profile picture... why you still refer to me as "Mr"? ;)
Anyway, don't worry about me la. At Polytechnic, I am studying modules about business and engineering. Even if I cannot make it (ask to leave), I will probably attend private school or something. Somemore now got this skills future scheme by the Government (Recession is coming, Government send us to school to upgrade), where I can go to school learn and work on the MRT... Actually, to enter the transport industry is easy. To work in the LTA also easy. But to really go up there, it is very hard, and it takes time to climb up the ladder.
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Really?Are you a lady?
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Originally posted by carbikebus:
Really?Are you a lady?
^_^
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Originally posted by jurongresident:
Anyway, don't worry about me la. At Polytechnic, I am studying modules about business and engineering. Even if I cannot make it (ask to leave), I will probably attend private school or something. Somemore now got this skills future scheme by the Government (Recession is coming, Government send us to school to upgrade), where I can go to school learn and work on the MRT... Actually, to enter the transport industry is easy. To work in the LTA also easy. But to really go up there, it is very hard, and it takes time to climb up the ladder.
I wonder if LTA or any of the PTOs provide part-times or internships for undergraduates and pre-undergraduates?
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This is me in real life:
just kidding.
Okay. Let's return to topic.
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Originally posted by jurongresident:
This is me in real life:
just kidding.
Okay. Let's return to topic.
wrote something, but then deleted it.
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Originally posted by jurongresident:
This is me in real life:
just kidding.
Okay. Let's return to topic.
Have fun, PrevertedBoy... -
Originally posted by SMB128B:
170 loading alr pathetic... Why still need 170A?
Unless u tell me 170 shorten, then ofc why not.
Consider the fact that not only does 170A runs full day, it is uni-directional. (Of course, that could mean it'll just turn back and run as 170)
Let's see how that shall affect 48, 66, 67, 171, 960, 961.
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Originally posted by AJQZC:
Consider the fact that not only does 170A runs full day, it is uni-directional. (Of course, that could mean it'll just turn back and run as 170)
Let's see how that shall affect 48, 66, 67, 171, 960, 961.
What about 178? it serves the stretch from Old Jurong Rd to Woodlands KTM.
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Originally posted by array88:
Have fun, PrevertedBoy...
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Apparently, the seven new bus routes announced in October 2015 have all been launched.
They are 47, 49 (extension), 117, 118, 258, 979 and 983 (extension).
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Very disappointed that 979 is full fleet rigid... At least for today. It should have been majority HC fleet IMO.
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Originally posted by array88:
Very disappointed that 979 is full fleet rigid... At least for today. It should have been majority HC fleet IMO.
Heard that the loading/demand quite good..publicity quite well also.
Only 8032 was spotted..but only ran 1 trip for publicity ride with MP haha
Hopefully can introduce DD soon, but currently, maybe bendy.(as there's low lying trees)