As the press released mention,Only 40 units will be ordered first,So i strongly feel that there are a few units more to come based on demand and observation..Right now Smrt also deploy SDs on their full fleet bendy feeders/Intratowns and short svc.
Based on current regulations i think it best to put this way
300:9 A24 / 4 A22
302:7 A24 / 4 A22
800:4 A24 / 3 A22
804:6 A24 / 4 A22
806:8 A24 / 4 A22
811:6 A24 / 8 A22
812:5 A24 / 3 A22
859:3 A24 / 7 A22
900:4 A24 / 3 A22
901:4 A24 / 3 A22
902:2 A24 / 3 A22
903:6 A24 / 4 A22
904:2 A24 / 3 A22
911:7 A24 / 4 A22
912:9 A24 / 5 A22
913:8 A24 / 4 A22
920/922: 2 A24 rotating
945:2 A24 / 4 OC500
962:7 A24 / 4 A22
964:5 A24 / 3 A22
990:3 A24 / 2 A22
Already 107 A24 needed,So every depot need at least 3-5 Sp bendies.
125 units is safe for their operations.
What I guess how will they be deploying their 40 Production Batch buses..
(assuming these 40 buses are replacing the Feeders and Intra-Towns O405Gs -- TIB849B - TIB904A, TIB973A - TIB1001Z, TIB1025E - TIB1055T)
300: 6
302: 2
800: 1
806: 1
811: 1
812: 2
900: 3
901: 1
911: 2
912: 3
913: 4
AMDEP: 7 buses (3 svcs) -- 2 spare buses
KJDEP: 13 buses (2 svcs) -- 5 spare buses
WLDEP: 20 buses (5 svcs) -- 8 spare buses
Total: 40 buses (10 svcs) -- 15 spare buses
Feeder WAB services (then): 300 , 803 , 900 , 902 , 904 , 920 , 922 , 941 , 945 , 947
Intra-Town WAB services (then): 307 , 811 , 911
but 904 is BSEP serv.It may not receive bendy
Too early to say,What if the operator decide another 40 and LTA add another 40?
No news whether will they be registered under BSEP or normal or mix, so 904 still have chance.
Cheers
if 904 have bendy that would be good since it pass my school
What i feel is that the first 40 will be bought by SMRT then after a few months LTA will add probably another 40 and balance 20-30 units will be ordered exclusively for feeder/Intratowns/Short trunk svc usage.SMRT is damm smart actually..
SO when the 40 buses going to come out? Maybe SMRT not going to get any of them. it will not a surprise to see a ADD on feeder bus service.
I can safely say they will order the A24s,Slowly but surely but of course the figure will he lesser than previous.
maybe they are thinking about how the new livery should be and hence the delay.if that is the case,i rather they use the old livery since SMB388S is in old livery
Originally posted by carbikebus:
As the press released mention,Only 40 units will be ordered first,So i strongly feel that there are a few units more to come based on demand and observation..Right now Smrt also deploy SDs on their full fleet bendy feeders/Intratowns and short svc.
Based on current regulations i think it best to put this way
300:9 A24 / 4 A22
302:7 A24 / 4 A22
800:4 A24 / 3 A22
804:6 A24 / 4 A22
806:8 A24 / 4 A22
811:6 A24 / 8 A22
812:5 A24 / 3 A22
859:3 A24 / 7 A22
900:4 A24 / 3 A22
901:4 A24 / 3 A22
902:2 A24 / 3 A22
903:6 A24 / 4 A22
904:2 A24 / 3 A22
911:7 A24 / 4 A22
912:9 A24 / 5 A22
913:8 A24 / 4 A22
920/922: 2 A24 rotating
945:2 A24 / 4 OC500
962:7 A24 / 4 A22
964:5 A24 / 3 A22
990:3 A24 / 2 A22
Already 107 A24 needed,So every depot need at least 3-5 Sp bendies.
125 units is safe for their operations.
Actually I'm thinking if DD should be deployed on 902..although it's only 1 stop..Honestly speaking, they should get more OCs back then..it's quite useful for high loading(Not stuffy, no narrow rear etc.)
902 can extend to somewhere nearby or to Wldep..But using DDs quite mainstream le,Their CEO already declared bendy buses for feeders and super short trunks
Unless SMRT win the tender for current SBST-dominated places..
What if SMRT decide to order 60 units of Citaro G?
Originally posted by SGCar:No news whether will they be registered under BSEP or normal or mix, so 904 still have chance.
Cheers
You mean SMRT?
Originally posted by SBS3004X:You mean SMRT?
Yes...
It's completely pointless now to get bendy buses because of BSEP to increase the number of buses to improve the frequencies, hence loading of SDs able to hasten and also improve traffic flows, and private operators also chipped in the handling of feeder services during peak hours.
Moreover all assets, including buses will be under LTA in future. So LTA will do the fleet purchase in future and operators only to choose which to use. Hence not practical buses will be phased out. And with the increased fleet, means other operators are able to handle the feeder services, other than the local ones.
And with new interchanges occupying smaller areas, limited parking slots,and more buses and bus services in future, bendy buses are creating more problems instead in future and a hindrance of bus services improvements.
I'll rather SMRT convert the 40 A24 orders to better buses like A95, and add another 260 A95s to allow SMRT to have 300 more new double deckers.
True it will be better if MAN offer a custom 13m 3 Doors DDs for the feeders or at least those with centre staircase
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Originally posted by carbikebus:True it will be better if MAN offer a custom 13m 3 Doors DDs for the feeders or at least those with centre staircase
What about two internal staircases? And yes it is a B9TL, designed to reduced dwelling time:
Originally posted by vicamour:It's completely pointless now to get bendy buses because of BSEP to increase the number of buses to improve the frequencies, hence loading of SDs able to hasten and also improve traffic flows, and private operators also chipped in the handling of feeder services during peak hours.
Moreover all assets, including buses will be under LTA in future. So LTA will do the fleet purchase in future and operators only to choose which to use. Hence not practical buses will be phased out. And with the increased fleet, means other operators are able to handle the feeder services, other than the local ones.
And with new interchanges occupying smaller areas, limited parking slots,and more buses and bus services in future, bendy buses are creating more problems instead in future and a hindrance of bus services improvements.
I'll rather SMRT convert the 40 A24 orders to better buses like A95, and add another 260 A95s to allow SMRT to have 300 more new double deckers.
What if LTA chooses to purchase articulated buses in the future?
The next question you will be thinking is LTA must be crazy to do that because there is no space to set down and layover at the interchange.
Then, my next question is must articulated buses always start and end their journey at the bus interchange, layover at the interchange, or even enter the interchange?
Many bus planners around the world face the same set of problems in urban cities but they go beyond conventional thinking to find their solutions.
The same still could be applied to an all DD solution, as our bus interchanges are getting more congested with additional buses.
Originally posted by carbikebus:True it will be better if MAN offer a custom 13m 3 Doors DDs for the feeders or at least those with centre staircase
look up the seating specifications of the MAN A39 you guys thoroughly love and rant about. having 2 internal stairs is romantic and sweet, but consider the number of seats that have to be REMOVED on the upper deck just to make that possible. and oh yes, allow me to remind you that you are proposing a 13m double decker whose maximum upper seating is at best 4 more than that of a 12m (assuming both only have a single staircase).
and before i forget, take a crash course in economics before asking MAN to make 3 door DDs for the singapore market. there may be people willing to pester the PTOs or even LTA into getting them, but do you really think that such a request makes money sense? how MAN designed the A95 from the onset is the answer, in your face :D
Originally posted by vicamour:It's completely pointless now to get bendy buses because of BSEP to increase the number of buses to improve the frequencies, hence loading of SDs able to hasten and also improve traffic flows, and private operators also chipped in the handling of feeder services during peak hours.
Moreover all assets, including buses will be under LTA in future. So LTA will do the fleet purchase in future and operators only to choose which to use. Hence not practical buses will be phased out. And with the increased fleet, means other operators are able to handle the feeder services, other than the local ones.
And with new interchanges occupying smaller areas, limited parking slots,and more buses and bus services in future, bendy buses are creating more problems instead in future and a hindrance of bus services improvements.
I'll rather SMRT convert the 40 A24 orders to better buses like A95, and add another 260 A95s to allow SMRT to have 300 more new double deckers.
how are bendies "not practical"?
also, how do you know that "operators only to choose which (buses) to use"?
your suggestion seems to be that bendy buses are giving problems within the interchanges when they board/drop pax, but have you given due consideration to the benefits that bendy buses have on the routes themselves? more SDs doesnt translate into more effective transporation of pax, whether the route is run by a PTO or some 3rd party company under PPSS.
why is the A95 "better"?
Originally posted by SexyMichael:look up the seating specifications of the MAN A39 you guys thoroughly love and rant about. having 2 internal stairs is romantic and sweet, but consider the number of seats that have to be REMOVED on the upper deck just to make that possible. and oh yes, allow me to remind you that you are proposing a 13m double decker whose maximum upper seating is at best 4 more than that of a 12m (assuming both only have a single staircase).
and before i forget, take a crash course in economics before asking MAN to make 3 door DDs for the singapore market. there may be people willing to pester the PTOs or even LTA into getting them, but do you really think that such a request makes money sense? how MAN designed the A95 from the onset is the answer, in your face :D
Sorry im not interested in economics...Forum is free for all.Everyone have their own opinions..Like it or not just take it as a pinch of salt.Peace