SMRT MAN NG363F A24 discussions
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Originally posted by A Bus Observer:
Some trunks r suitable for bendies, some feeders r suitable for dds
Edited by A Bus Observer, 32 December `15 00:00AM
Can I just say that your part about the DDs on feeders sounds so much like SBS Transit's way for feeders and Townlinks?
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Originally posted by 23ispolo:
Can I just say that your part about the DDs on feeders sounds so much like SBS Transit's way for feeders and Townlinks?
What he had said may be true...
But I could only of svc 902, the rest no...
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They have to wait till 40 Mark 1 bendies deregistered then the A24s can start rolling..One to One exchange for the bendies as per LTA guideline..So meaning if they wanna order another 40 units,The 21 Mark 2 and either 19 Volgren or first batch Habits have to deregistered also.
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Originally posted by carbikebus:
They have to wait till 40 Mark 1 bendies deregistered then the A24s can start rolling..One to One exchange for the bendies as per LTA guideline..So meaning if they wanna order another 40 units,The 21 Mark 2 and either 19 Volgren or first batch Habits have to deregistered also.
One for one is damn good alr haha
I expected a two-for-one since LTA wanted to wipe out as much bendies as possible anyway, and leave just enough for feeders and townlinks/intratowns
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Originally posted by 23ispolo:
Can I just say that your part about the DDs on feeders sounds so much like SBS Transit's way for feeders and Townlinks?
Some feeders need dds. Esp long distance feeders. Short distance feeders can use bendies.
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240,334 all i can think for now.SMRT ones?
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Originally posted by SMB128B:
As a person who stayed in HK for a decade, I totally agree with TIB868X
In fact, that was exactly what i said some time ago but ppl like u chose not to believe me...
Even for MTR buses, 80% of those routes goes to countryside and the vast majority of the pax only board and alight at a few certain stops... And it is not worth to buy and maintain bendies at such a high price for the remaining 2 or 3 svcs (e.g. Svc 506 which in fact could be reverted to Light Rail ops any minute)
So it isnt fair to compare with HK as the turnover rates arent high and little ppl take short haul... Unless u tell me u like paying HKD10.2 to get from APM at KT to ur home in Ping Tin
P.s. Local forums joke over ppl who take short haul coz its just... Weird and not worth fares
MTR buses aside, the feeder bus role in Hong Kong has been largely taken up by minibuses.
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Originally posted by TIB868X:
HK bus services are structurally different from ours, much more routes with express sectors. even those without express sectors do not stop at every single bus stop along the road, saving time. the distance between bus stop here is too short, adding unneeded time to both the service runtime and commuter journey times. (are singaporeans so damn lazy to walk they need bus stops every 200-300m???)
back to the point, most of their services are in such a way that the first half of the bus route is when commuters board and then the second half is alighting, hence their fare structure. eg $2 fare if you board at any first 6 stops, $1 fare for next 6 stops and $0.50 for next six stops (very short sector near terminating point, not much people will board). so not much turnover and no problem of double deck buses stoning at bus stops because of a huge amount of people boarding and alighting at the same time, generally its either only boarding or alighting at a bus stop.
also, hong kong doesn't have many routes that are structured in a way like our 'feeders' with have high turnover rates at every bus stop. residential estates are adequately served by MTR and trunk services that pass through the estates, including variations of trunk services that are specially diverted into estates during peak hours. there is no extreme centralization that our transport system suffers from, pumping all passengers from trains and trunk routes into feeder routes that can barely cope. (hub and spoke) just think of two huge canals chanelling water into one small drain.
a radical change in our bus routes' structures is needed if we were to entirely ditch bendies for dds.
i think most people who have gone to HK will understand what i am trying to say about the way their routes and systems are structured
A revamp to bus routing is long overdue. Many of our routes are designed long ago when the goal is to maximize fare revenue and coverage, with little regard to reliability and the time taken to travel between A and B (efficiency of routing).
You know it when passengers are willing to pay express fare to ride for 3 stops within the same town to attend school.
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Originally posted by carbikebus:
240,334 all i can think for now.SMRT ones?
I would classify 334 as a mid-to-long-length feeder though (with long distance travellers)
I wanted to say 804 (It is not short), but naaahh.
222, 265, 268 are all pretty long, these 3 are townlinks
I also would put 293 as a mid-to-long- length feeder.
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Originally posted by ButIAmAToilet:
I would classify 334 as a mid-to-long-length feeder though (with long distance travellers)
I wanted to say 804 (It is not short), but naaahh.
222, 265, 268 are all pretty long, these 3 are townlinks
I also would put 293 as a mid-to-long- length feeder.
In that case, I would add to the list 302, 307, 912, 913, 811, 812, 800, 804, 806 coz all these have mid-to-long range just like 240 and 334.
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The very short feeder services are:
225G/W, 231, 232, 235, 242, 261, 272, 273, 284, 292, 324, 354, 386.
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On SMRT side:
803, 902, 941
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800,806 mid to long haul?But do you realise the pax took how many bus stops before alighting?
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Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:
On SMRT side:
803, 902, 941
947 too! haha!
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Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:
The very short feeder services are:
225G/W, 231, 232, 235, 242, 261, 272, 273, 284, 292, 324, 354, 386.
235's distance is 2km longer than 238...it cannot be that short!
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By the way, rego plates for some A24s already up, believed to be under 8000-series...
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Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:
The very short feeder services are:
225G/W, 231, 232, 235, 242, 261, 272, 273, 284, 292, 324, 354, 386.
I think lets just rename mid-to-long as long, since 240 is too long.
I will put 806 as mid actually.
Well, TPY is small to begin with. Due to that I will put 235 as mid-length.
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Under 8km including loop is considered short,8.1-13km incl loop is mid and above 13.1km is considered long for feeders/intratowns..For trunk under 14km incl loop is considered short
A24 using 8000 series?Wah impression like they have more than 8000 buses..Why dont continue the 38x?
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Originally posted by carbikebus:
Under 8km including loop is considered short,8.1-13km incl loop is mid and above 13.1km is considered long for feeders/intratowns..For trunk under 14km incl loop is considered short
A24 using 8000 series?Wah impression like they have more than 8000 buses..Why dont continue the 38x?
Maybe they want to follow up starting with number 8... lol... but weird not SMB849D onwards...
But i think it could kickstart with SMB8001 or SMB8038... -
Scarly come out SMB800T or 7990G?
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Originally posted by ButIAmAToilet:
I think lets just rename mid-to-long as long, since 240 is too long.
I will put 806 as mid actually.
Well, TPY is small to begin with. Due to that I will put 235 as mid-length.
232 and 231 not short after LTA or SBST reroute the serve. i think Toa Payoh 238 is the short one. And those LTA planner for CCK new services should look at how this 232 and 231 work in toa payoh. i guess those planners is under pressure from political point of view instead of people point of view just like those feeders sbst services from the north east
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SMB8001E
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sbst shud use bendy on svc 15. loading very high and only sd come. no dd. add many bus but still lot of standee. i avoid svc 15 as i have to stand long distance. bus already come full from tamp when i take at safra. then no one get down at bed reservoir. only kaki bukit peop get down. stand so much time. so i dont take 15 to eunos. i take 21 from safra or i take mrt from tamp.
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Originally posted by proudtobeme:
sbst shud use bendy on svc 15. loading very high and only sd come. no dd. add many bus but still lot of standee. i avoid svc 15 as i have to stand long distance. bus already come full from tamp when i take at safra. then no one get down at bed reservoir. only kaki bukit peop get down. stand so much time. so i dont take 15 to eunos. i take 21 from safra or i take mrt from tamp.
You are saying no to bendies on 67/969 but okay on sv 15. what is the logic here?
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It's really ignorant to say that just coz it's long-distance, hence DDs should be used.. Coz even though the distance is long, turnover rates may be high and not many pax may be really travelling long distance...
For eg. 222, very little (sometimes none) take the full length from Bedok int to Chai Chee, most pax alight at Bedok Nth Ave 3 or Fengshan... Similarly, pax seldom take from chai chee to bedok int, they alight at Bedok Stn stop instead...
Another eg. Is 913, most commuters on that svc take 2-4 stops only... Then 95% of them spill out at Admiralty Stn, ALL AT ONCE. With one more exit area, bendies help to clear the load much faster and ensure the punctuality of buses
Thats why it is not realistic to deploy DDs like this... Long distance =/= ppl will take long distance....