Originally posted by dupdup77:Hi mr lemon1974, actually the minister says like no say like that. All along, everybody knows once new mrt lines are up, bus routes will be re-routed or rationalized. This is nothing new. Moreover, everybody knows mrt is the centrestage and buses only play second fiddle. This is the real situation. Cheers. Thanks.
Of course I am aware of that. The relatively few changes that followed the opening of CCL and DTL did surprise me somewhat. However, I have observed reduced capacity on a few routes during my few trips back to Singapore.
I have travelled on the CCL between BNV and PYL. Ridership was fairly strong.
66 and 170 duplicates a large chunk of DTL as well. The only reason to keep them intact is to act as a substitute if DTL breaks down.
170: pls divert via Woodlands Rd, Mandai Rd, and follow BKE/PIE all the way to Queen Street. Doesn't make sense to stop at every stop in Woodlands Rd/Bt Panjang Rd when all the 170 passengers from JB disembark by Kranji MRT Station.
We only rationalise the bus services based on whether - loading drop and it becomes no longer a factor, tiring drivers. 76 is the one, getting rid of the loop because of a tiring driver. 858 should be the next according to Khaw Boon Wan, it need a proper rest point.
106 had to shorten because for 3 years with bendy buses, Tibs bendy bus drivers does not know how to maneuvere on a small road at Medway Drive.
106 plied Medway Dr? Don't talk cock.
170 cannot be easily amended due to its extraterritorial nature. 66 is needed for DTL rail replacement duties. 67 can be truncated or wirhdrawn as there is 65 to cover the entire LTI-TAM portion of 67, with 66 serving up to BDK from KAP.
Originally posted by iveco:106 plied Medway Dr? Don't talk cock.
170 cannot be easily amended due to its extraterritorial nature. 66 is needed for DTL rail replacement duties. 67 can be truncated or wirhdrawn as there is 65 to cover the entire LTI-TAM portion of 67, with 66 serving up to BDK from KAP.
The trend is that passengers on service 170 are most likely either go to Woodlands Checkpoint, Kranji or CBD. Nowhere else. Hence the alternative is 960 or 961. 67, 960 and 961 can then have compensations but will enjoy more double deckers on 960.
Originally posted by iveco:EWL: Bedok, Tanah Merah
DTL: Kaki Bukit, Bedok North, Waterfront.
That's twice as many as Clementi. I have 2 on EWL, plus King Albert Park on DTL just out of range.
Waterfront is actually called Bedok Reservoir Station.
Eunos and Kembangan stations are also in Bedok.
Originally posted by fonduelazone:Waterfront is actually called Bedok Reservoir Station.
Eunos and Kembangan stations are also in Bedok.
Eunos in Geylang planning zone and its bus routes fall under Serangoon contract.
Originally posted by iveco:Eunos in Geylang planning zone and its bus routes fall under Serangoon contract.
True,Together with Sims Place,Lor 1...
Originally posted by TPS Timothy Mok:170: pls divert via Woodlands Rd, Mandai Rd, and follow BKE/PIE all the way to Queen Street. Doesn't make sense to stop at every stop in Woodlands Rd/Bt Panjang Rd when all the 170 passengers from JB disembark by Kranji MRT Station.
We only rationalise the bus services based on whether - loading drop and it becomes no longer a factor, tiring drivers. 76 is the one, getting rid of the loop because of a tiring driver. 858 should be the next according to Khaw Boon Wan, it need a proper rest point.
106 had to shorten because for 3 years with bendy buses, Tibs bendy bus drivers does not know how to maneuvere on a small road at Medway Drive.
106 go Medway Drive? No
Originally posted by dupdup77:Hi mr lemon1974, actually the minister says like no say like that. All along, everybody knows once new mrt lines are up, bus routes will be re-routed or rationalized. This is nothing new. Moreover, everybody knows mrt is the centrestage and buses only play second fiddle. This is the real situation. Cheers. Thanks.
It's been more than 10 years since the previous rationalisation occurred...and it appears to me that, during the reign of the two preceding transport ministers, no rationalisations occurred during the opening of the CCL (I do not consider those route changes that made no references to the opening of the line as such, and I am also wondering whether there's a link between the facts just mentioned). That's probably why the minister is mentioning this issue again as it signifies the intent of a revamp.
Speaking of 170 and 700, I am of the view that should 700 be withdrawn, 960 should be amended to ply 700/700A's route between Whitley Road/Raffles Ave and Bras Basah Road/Whitley Road. Just hope that the rationalisation changes would include such an arrangement.
Originally posted by Gus.chong:Speaking of 170 and 700, I am of the view that should 700 be withdrawn, 960 should be amended to ply 700/700A's route between Whitley Road/Raffles Ave and Bras Basah Road/Whitley Road. Just hope that the rationalisation changes would include such an arrangement.
Don't forget that 171 and 700 (From Bukit Panjang) go to Orchard, but 700 is slightly quicker than 171
Originally posted by Gus.chong:It's been more than 10 years since the previous rationalisation occurred...and it appears to me that, during the reign of the two preceding transport ministers, no rationalisations occurred during the opening of the CCL (I do not consider those route changes that made no references to the opening of the line as such, and I am also wondering whether there's a link between the facts just mentioned). That's probably why the minister is mentioning this issue again as it signifies the intent of a revamp.
408 has been replaced by GrabCar or UBER service.
256 has been replaced by JustGrab service.
Originally posted by TPS Timothy Mok:408 has been replaced by GrabCar or UBER service.
256 has been replaced by JustGrab service.
Some short-distance services are also replaced by Ofo, Obike and Mobike...
If they are going to scrap 700, they better have 960 ply Petir Road (south part) to cover missing link of 700. The loading on 700 has increased again with some peak hour trips taking 70-80 pax. They need to be careful if they want to eliminate 700. On the other hand I agree that 960 does have capacity to take more, especially now when it is pumped with so many DDs.
171 is a natural candidate to be truncated to Yishun <> BPJ (loop). 170 should be considered too given its parallelism to DTL as well as 67, 960, 961. 170 can be a Larkin <> BPJ service.
852 should be eliminated once 851 gets more DDs. 74/157 can easily tank the load on the west side. I know there will be some who insist there are people taking 852 from Bukit Batok to Yishun but this is really in the minority.
They can also take a look at 151, 156 and see if there is scope to amend the routes to make them more effective. 151 will have to stay between Macpherson and Hougang. It also serves an important connection to NUS. But the middle part is duplicating 154 completely. 156 has lost its loading but serves an important role in the west between Clementi and Bukit Timah because of Sixth Avenue.
Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:If they are going to scrap 700, they better have 960 ply Petir Road (south part) to cover missing link of 700. The loading on 700 has increased again with some peak hour trips taking 70-80 pax. They need to be careful if they want to eliminate 700. On the other hand I agree that 960 does have capacity to take more, especially now when it is pumped with so many DDs.
171 is a natural candidate to be truncated to Yishun <> BPJ (loop). 170 should be considered too given its parallelism to DTL as well as 67, 960, 961. 170 can be a Larkin <> BPJ service.
852 should be eliminated once 851 gets more DDs. 74/157 can easily tank the load on the west side. I know there will be some who insist there are people taking 852 from Bukit Batok to Yishun but this is really in the minority.
They can also take a look at 151, 156 and see if there is scope to amend the routes to make them more effective. 151 will have to stay between Macpherson and Hougang. It also serves an important connection to NUS. But the middle part is duplicating 154 completely. 156 has lost its loading but serves an important role in the west between Clementi and Bukit Timah because of Sixth Avenue.
How about making 151 express via PIE? Although arguably this will result in a drop in its loading because of lost connection from King Albert Park to Ngee Ann/SIM. Or make 151 ply Eng Neo Ave and PIE...
852 can get eliminated once one of 66/157/174 is amended to Upper Bukit Timah. Although I'm not entirely certain about 852's loading right now.
I think 170 is now kept as a DTL supplementary service in case MRT breaks down, so that SBST has sufficient buses along the Bukit Timah corridor for e-pull - but not really sure. But BPJ-Larkin sector's frequency should be reduced.
Most people going to JB take 170X rather than 170. There is also 160 stealing the load between J10 and Kranji.
Originally posted by array88:How about making 151 express via PIE? Although arguably this will result in a drop in its loading because of lost connection from King Albert Park to Ngee Ann/SIM. Or make 151 ply Eng Neo Ave and PIE...
852 can get eliminated once one of 66/157/174 is amended to Upper Bukit Timah. Although I'm not entirely certain about 852's loading right now.
I think 170 is now kept as a DTL supplementary service in case MRT breaks down, so that SBST has sufficient buses along the Bukit Timah corridor for e-pull - but not really sure. But BPJ-Larkin sector's frequency should be reduced.
IIRC 852 loading is only high in the morning, but not entirely sure for the evening, but off peak definitely is low. Reason being many sch students take the direct bus to reach their respective schools, all the way from amk to bukit timah stretch, in a way helping 851 reducing its load since it is always very high. If im not wrong, 852 is popular because it links bukit timah directly from yishun without having the need to transfer 2 times on the train.
Well this perspective is coming from a Yishun resident who has lived there for many years and makes use of most of its trunk routes to commute to sch, work, and leisure so it may be biased
Side note: if any of the yishun routes need to be cut, i think first think abt 853 and 855. These 2 are way too insanely long
For the case of 170, it is highly variable. Its loading depends on whether it arrives before other buses along bukit timah road. Most that i see use it for short distances, from MRT station to residential homes, and i dun think it has a unique stretch of road that it is the only bus that links directly from another area. IMO 170A should really be removed, coz i dun see a purpose in it, frequently seeing it empty.
170 should only call at certain bus stops / SEMI-EXPRESS (maybe MRT Stations and a few others only only) along Bukit Timah Road / Dunearn Road / Upper Bukit Timah Road to reduce travel time to Larkin Terminal and Queen Street Terminal. Let 170A stay as per normal but on return trip for 170A (displayed as 170), should leave it as 170A and not 170 such that it is like a loop service. Meaning, 170A will call at all stops along original route + return trip as 170A (similar to 170 return trip), while 170 skips stops along return route as well.
Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:If they are going to scrap 700, they better have 960 ply Petir Road (south part) to cover missing link of 700. The loading on 700 has increased again with some peak hour trips taking 70-80 pax. They need to be careful if they want to eliminate 700. On the other hand I agree that 960 does have capacity to take more, especially now when it is pumped with so many DDs.
171 is a natural candidate to be truncated to Yishun <> BPJ (loop). 170 should be considered too given its parallelism to DTL as well as 67, 960, 961. 170 can be a Larkin <> BPJ service.
852 should be eliminated once 851 gets more DDs. 74/157 can easily tank the load on the west side. I know there will be some who insist there are people taking 852 from Bukit Batok to Yishun but this is really in the minority.
They can also take a look at 151, 156 and see if there is scope to amend the routes to make them more effective. 151 will have to stay between Macpherson and Hougang. It also serves an important connection to NUS. But the middle part is duplicating 154 completely. 156 has lost its loading but serves an important role in the west between Clementi and Bukit Timah because of Sixth Avenue.
Low chance 700 will be withdrawn
Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:If they are going to scrap 700, they better have 960 ply Petir Road (south part) to cover missing link of 700. The loading on 700 has increased again with some peak hour trips taking 70-80 pax. They need to be careful if they want to eliminate 700. On the other hand I agree that 960 does have capacity to take more, especially now when it is pumped with so many DDs.
171 is a natural candidate to be truncated to Yishun <> BPJ (loop). 170 should be considered too given its parallelism to DTL as well as 67, 960, 961. 170 can be a Larkin <> BPJ service.
852 should be eliminated once 851 gets more DDs. 74/157 can easily tank the load on the west side. I know there will be some who insist there are people taking 852 from Bukit Batok to Yishun but this is really in the minority.
They can also take a look at 151, 156 and see if there is scope to amend the routes to make them more effective. 151 will have to stay between Macpherson and Hougang. It also serves an important connection to NUS. But the middle part is duplicating 154 completely. 156 has lost its loading but serves an important role in the west between Clementi and Bukit Timah because of Sixth Avenue.
Bus 171 should be truncated as per what you have said or extend to a terminal near BPJ. This bus experiences low demand along the DTL2 Corridor and is already covered by 67/170 fully from Bukit Panjang to Newton. Low demand sector is also between Orchard and Marina Centre which is covered by Bus 36 (A&B), 77, 106, 111, 162M, 502 (A), 518 (A). Many other bus services ply between Orchard and City Hall, relieving Bus 171 massively. Missing link between Dunearn Road and Orchard Road / Bras Basah Road covered by Bus 700. With this Bus 700 can stay.
Bus 151 can ply another routing maybe via one-north Station and Kent Ridge Station or via Science Park Dr and Portsdown Ave, relieving demand on Bus 92/95. Missing link between Clementi Road (Southern part) and King Albert Park should be covered by a new bus service plying from BPJ to JE?
Bus 852 generally has lower demand than compared to Bus 74/157 as people prefer Bus 52 express on PIE? Maybe Bus 852 should be amended away from the DTL2 Corridor and maybe go via Northern Singapore instead, possibly relieving demand on Bus 856 and more.
Originally posted by CZT:IIRC 852 loading is only high in the morning, but not entirely sure for the evening, but off peak definitely is low. Reason being many sch students take the direct bus to reach their respective schools, all the way from amk to bukit timah stretch, in a way helping 851 reducing its load since it is always very high. If im not wrong, 852 is popular because it links bukit timah directly from yishun without having the need to transfer 2 times on the train.
Well this perspective is coming from a Yishun resident who has lived there for many years and makes use of most of its trunk routes to commute to sch, work, and leisure so it may be biased
Side note: if any of the yishun routes need to be cut, i think first think abt 853 and 855. These 2 are way too insanely long
It is interesting how different people have different perspectives.
I wouldn't touch 853 or 855 as both have unique routes and do not duplicate. 853 may have low loading just like 852 but if you take it out, who will cover? 852 on the other hand has so many services in parallel.
855 on the other hand has a good decent 50-60 pax loading and off-peak loading is not bad too. Why would you even touch it?
AMK to Bukit Timah is already covered by 74 with a superb frequency and DDs. Yishun to Marymount is covered by 851. You may observed higher loading on 852 at certain times if it comes before 851. But on average 851 by itself can tank the load. Hopefully 851 will be treated better with SBS taking over and that should take care of the pax.
Originally posted by array88:How about making 151 express via PIE? Although arguably this will result in a drop in its loading because of lost connection from King Albert Park to Ngee Ann/SIM. Or make 151 ply Eng Neo Ave and PIE...
852 can get eliminated once one of 66/157/174 is amended to Upper Bukit Timah. Although I'm not entirely certain about 852's loading right now.
I think 170 is now kept as a DTL supplementary service in case MRT breaks down, so that SBST has sufficient buses along the Bukit Timah corridor for e-pull - but not really sure. But BPJ-Larkin sector's frequency should be reduced.
No real need for 170. 67 runs parallel to DTL all along 170 route from Rochor to BPJ. If DTL breakdown, anyway SBS has to supplement additional buses. 67 is the back up, not to mention there are still a lot of other services running along BT/UBT corridor.
hahaha I agree