Route Suggestions (Part 6)
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Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:
Just stop reacting to him. Your comments encourage "likes" of him. He is a worm. He likes to be that way. Let him be. This is my sincere suggestion to all forumers. He is not going to listen. Just behave as if he does not exist. Cheers.
Do you think I am a worm? If no, then stop making fun of me
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Originally posted by SBS2652G:
When you apply to join the group, pls state ur sgf username there
Currently, have only received request from SBS9256X
Path Light's request has been APPROVED
I changed your "REJECTED" to "APPROVED"
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SV 156e
Sengkang - Boon Lay (extension)
Sengkang Sq > Sengkang East Way > Sengkang East Rd > Anchorvale Dr > Anchorvale Rd > Sengkang East Way > Sengkang East Rd > TPE > CTE > PIE > Whitley Rd > Bt Timah Rd > Sixth Ave > Holland Rd > Ulu Pandan Rd > Clementi Rd > AYE > Jln Ahmad Ibrahim > Jln Boon Lay > Boon Lay Way> Jurong West St 64 > Jurong West St 63Any suggestions?
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Originally posted by uniquelymee:
SV 156e
Sengkang - Boon Lay (extension)
Sengkang Sq > Sengkang East Way > Sengkang East Rd > Anchorvale Dr > Anchorvale Rd > Sengkang East Way > Sengkang East Rd > TPE > CTE > PIE > Whitley Rd > Bt Timah Rd > Sixth Ave > Holland Rd > Ulu Pandan Rd > Clementi Rd > AYE > Jln Ahmad Ibrahim > Jln Boon Lay > Boon Lay Way> Jurong West St 64 > Jurong West St 63Any suggestions?
I think loading not there... 156's loading is already disastrous especiall in the west. I often see 156 in Bukit Timah with <10 pax. Such services don't need fast forward varients IMO.
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Originally posted by array88:
I think loading not there... 156's loading is already disastrous especiall in the west. I often see 156 in Bukit Timah with <10 pax. Such services don't need fast forward varients IMO.
I think it's more of the runtime? 1.5 hr is quite a long journey, if from one end to another so yeah, just my two cents
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Originally posted by uniquelymee:
I think it's more of the runtime? 1.5 hr is quite a long journey, if from one end to another so yeah, just my two cents
I agree that an hour and a half is long. But it is one service that needs to be considered for if there is any amendment.
Yes, there is a faster way to Clementi but somehow it serve for a purpose and it also good alternative service for other services.
E.g: Along Ulu Pandan Rd, there are Svcs 7 and 165 which terminate at Clementi. So any passengers going to Clementi can also take these two service other than 156.
Also, the only service from Whitley Rd to Sixth Ave and Ulu Pandan Rd. Provides access for students from CJC, SCGS, HCJC, etc
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Originally posted by uniquelymee:
SV 156e
Sengkang - Boon Lay (extension)
Sengkang Sq > Sengkang East Way > Sengkang East Rd > Anchorvale Dr > Anchorvale Rd > Sengkang East Way > Sengkang East Rd > TPE > CTE > PIE > Whitley Rd > Bt Timah Rd > Sixth Ave > Holland Rd > Ulu Pandan Rd > Clementi Rd > AYE > Jln Ahmad Ibrahim > Jln Boon Lay > Boon Lay Way> Jurong West St 64 > Jurong West St 63Any suggestions?
Between Whitley Road and Jalan Ahmad Ibrahim is served by 154
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Originally posted by AJQZC:
Don't bother edit warring with him here. Just let him scream all his crap out. We'll just not reply and not give him the attention he wants. The only place that he should be addressed at all is at this thread.
In time this corrupted thread will be autolocked.
Must reply
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Originally posted by SBS 9256 X:
Service 164
Hougang Central - Boon Lay Interchange
Via
Hougang Central
Hougang Ave 10/6/8
Upp Serangoon Rd
Bendemeer Rd
Jln Besar
Bukit Timah Rd
Clementi Rd
Commonweath Ave West
Boon Lay Way
Jurong Town Hall Rd
Jurong East/West Ave 1
Corporation Rd
Boon Lay Ave
Jurong West Ctrl 1
Jurong West St 64/Jurong West Ctrl 3I like the route but it runs parallel to Service 99's route between Commonwealth Avenue West and Jurong West Avenue 1 and Service 157's route between Jurong East Avenue 1 and Jurong West Central 3
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Service 405
Boon Lay Interchange - Sungei Gedong Camp (Loop)
via
Jurong West Ctrl 3
Jln Boon Lay
Jln Bahar
Old Choa Chu Kang Rd
Lim Chu Kang Rd
Old Lim Chu Kang Rd
Lor Rusuk
Lim Chu Kang Rd
Sungei Gedong Rd (Loop at the Guard House)
Lim Chu Kang Rd
Lor Rusuk
Old Lim Chu Kang Rd
Lim Chu Kang Rd
Jln Bahar
Jln Boon Lay
Boon Lay Way/Jurong West Ctrl 2/Ctrl 3Operating Hours: 0600 hrs - 2330 hrs
Fleet: 7 Mercedes Benz 0530 Citaro Buses
* After 1900 hrs service will be renumbered as 405M and will skip Old Choa Chu Kang Road and proceed straight to Lim Chu Kang Rd from Jln Bahar -
Service 501:
Boon Lay > Shenton WayJurong West Central 3, Jurong West Street 64, Boon Lay Way, Toh Tuck Avenue, Pan Island Expressway, Thomson Road, Newton Road, Scotts Road, Orchard Road, Bras Basah Road, Raffles Boulevard, Temasek Avenue, Bayfront Avenue, Central Boulevard, Raffles Quay, Shenton Way and Palmer Road
Service 502:
Boon Lay > SengkangJurong West Central 3, Jalan Boon Lay, Boon Lay Avenue, Corporation Road, Jurong West Avenue 1, Jurong East Avenue 1, Jurong Town Hall Road, Pan Island Expressway, Lorong 6 Toa Payoh, Lorong 4 Toa Payoh, Lorong 1 Toa Payoh, Lorong 6 Toa Payoh, Braddell Road, Upper Serangoon Road, Boundary Road, Yio Chu Kang Link, Yio Chu Kang Road, Sengkang West Road, Sengkang West Avenue, Jalan Kayu, Sengkang West Way, Sengkang East Way, Sengkang East Road and Sengkang Square
Service 505:
Sengkang > Jurong EastSengkang Square, Compassvale Road, Compassvale Street, Punggol Road, Tampines Expressway, Central Expressway, Yio Chu Kang Road, Yio Chu Kang Link, Boundary Road, Upper Serangoon Road, Pan Island Expressway, Jurong Town Hall Road, Boon Lay Way, Jurong East Central and Jurong Gateway Road
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I observe that many people like to take bus services 192 and 193 from Boon Lay Bus Interchange to Jurong West Street 64 and Jurong West Avenue 4. When bus route 192 is amended to skip these roads, there will be one less bus service.
To make up for the reduction of one bus service, I would like to recommend a new bus service which plies the following route:
259
Boon Lay Interchange - Jurong West Avenue 5 (loop)
Boon Lay Bus Interchange
Jurong West Central 3
Jurong West Street 64
Jurong West Avenue 4
Pioneer Road North
Jurong West Avenue 5
Jurong West Street 71
Jurong West Avenue 4
Jurong West Street 64
Jurong West Central 3
Boon Lay Bus Interchange
4.8 km
24 mins per trip
Frequency: 8 mins all-day, everyday
First bus from Boon Lay Interchange: 0600 hrs
Last bus from Boon Lay Interchange: 0030 hrs
Number of buses: 4 Double-Decker Wright buses
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Service 511
Jurong East > Punggol
Jurong Gateway Road, Jurong East Central, Boon Lay Way, Jurong Town Hall Road, Pan Island Expressway, Upper Serangoon Road, Boundary Road, Yio Chu Kang Link, Yio Chu Kang Road, Sengkang West Road, Jalan Kayu, Sengkang West Way, Sengkang East Way, Sengkang East Road, Punggol Way, Punggol Central and Punggol Place
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Service 242
Boon Lay Interchange - Jurong West Ave 5/St 72 (Loop)
Via
Jurong West Ctrl 3
Jalan Boon Lay
Jurong West Ave 4
Jurong West St 71
Jurong West Ave 5
Jurong West St 72
Jurong West Ave 4
Jalan Boon Lay
Jurong West Ctrl 2/Ctrl 3Servicce 242 will shift to the End-On Berth replacing Svc 251's berth
Service 245
Boon Lay Interchange - Jurong West Ave 5 (Loop)
via
Jurong West Ctrl 3/Jurong West St 64
Jurong West Ctrl 1
Jalan Boon Lay
Jurong West Ave 2
Jurong West St 24
Jurong West Ave 5
Jurong West St 71
Jurong West Ave 4
Jurong West St 64 -
Service 511
Jurong East > Punggol
Jurong Gateway Road, Jurong East Central, Boon Lay Way, Jurong Town Hall Road, Pan Island Expressway, Upper Serangoon Road, Boundary Road, Yio Chu Kang Link, Yio Chu Kang Road, Sengkang West Road, Jalan Kayu, Sengkang West Way, Sengkang East Way, Sengkang East Road, Punggol Way, Punggol Central and Punggol Place
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Originally posted by SBS 9256 X:
Service 242
Boon Lay Interchange - Jurong West Ave 5/St 72 (Loop)
Via
Jurong West Ctrl 3
Jalan Boon Lay
Jurong West Ave 4
Jurong West St 71
Jurong West Ave 5
Jurong West St 72
Jurong West Ave 4
Jalan Boon Lay
Jurong West Ctrl 2/Ctrl 3Servicce 242 will shift to the End-On Berth replacing Svc 251's berth
I ever wrote an email to the LTA to suggest changing bus route 242 to take the shorter path to Jurong West Street 72, via Jurong West Street 64.
While the suggestion you made is different, I think the reason they gave for rejecting my suggestion can be applied to the suggestion you made:
"The amendment of Service 242 would result in a loss of direct link from Jurong West Central 1 to Jurong West Avenue 4, Jurong West Avenue 5 and Jurong West Street 72."
"In view of the above, we are sorry to inform you that we are unable to accede to your request. Nonetheless, every feedback is important to us. We have noted your request and will take it into consideration when we review the bus network for the area."
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In the past, I kept writing to the LTA to suggest amending bus routes 242 and 181 to take the shortest path to the neighbourhoods 7 and 2.
As I look back at the email replies, I found one which explains it all on why there is no direct bus route to any of the two neighbourhoods.
"We seek your understanding that public transport evolved from a multitude of needs arising from the residents in area they served. Hence public transport are planned to meet most of these needs in an efficient and effective way while keeping travel time reasonable."
"For example, Service 181 besides connecting residents in Jurong West Avenue 3 to the Boon Lay Interchange, also connect them to Gek Poh Shopping Centre in Jurong West Ave 5."
"Similarly, Service 242 connects residents along Jalan Boon Lay to schools in Jurong West Street 72 and Jurong West Avenue 5."
"Given that buses serve a multitude of needs, it may not be possible for all buses to take the shortest route to all the destinations since it is just one of many destinations that they are serving."
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Apart from the suggestions to change 181 and 242, there is one other suggestion which I kept sending emails about to the LTA, and that is about providing bus connections to Pioneer MRT Station.
The last time I made the suggestion to LTA to create a new bus service to Pioneer MRT Station, this was the reply they gave:
"On your request to provide a new bus service to Pioneer Station, we note that residents in Jurong West are generally well-connected by the existing bus network to either Pioneer Station or Boon Lay Interchange today."
"While Boon Lay Interchange may not be the nearest MRT station for some neighborhoods, it is generally the preferred MRT station for residents in Jurong West given that it is also an integrated development providing many amenities such as shoppings, eateries etc."
Well, I stopped sending emails to the LTA since July 2013. It has been two years. Apparently, the actual loading on buses and the passenger volume at Pioneer MRT Station speak for themselves, and has proven that there is really a strong demand for a bus connection to Pioneer MRT Station. Besides, I do not think I am the only person who kept asking for this bus connection. I guess quite a number of people have been asking for it. Hence, there is this new bus service 258, which would begin in twenty four days. :)
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Originally posted by jurongresident:
I ever wrote an email to the LTA to suggest changing bus route 242 to take the shorter path to Jurong West Street 72, via Jurong West Street 64. While the suggestion you made is different, I think the reason they gave for rejecting my suggestion can be applied to the suggestion you made:
"The amendment of Service 242 would result in a loss of direct link from Jurong West Central 1 to Jurong West Avenue 4, Jurong West Avenue 5 and Jurong West Street 72."
"In view of the above, we are sorry to inform you that we are unable to accede to your request. Nonetheless, every feedback is important to us. We have noted your request and will take it into consideration when we review the bus network for the area."
The suggestion that I made for Svc 242 is the anti-clockwise direction of the current Svc 242. The one that you mention is my Svc 245 suggesstion.
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Originally posted by SBS 9256 X:
The suggestion that I made for Svc 242 is the anti-clockwise direction of the current Svc 242. The one that you mention is my Svc 245 suggesstion.
Alternatively, you could suggest a new bus route which takes the route of the original 242 (until 17 June 2006)...
Basically, unless there is at least one alternative bus service which provides an absolutely equal bus connection (e.g. all of old 242 duplicates 99), there is very negligible chance that suggestions made to change existing bus routes would be accepted.
Anyway, I like your 245...
From my observations, it seems that it is not the practice of the LTA to amend existing bus routes. The only exception is when a new bus interchange opens, or when a new route duplicates an existing route entirely. When comes to bus routes, it seems that the LTA only introduce new bus routes or extend existing bus routes.
(not only to Mr SBS 9256 X. This applies to everyone here.)
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Originally posted by SBS 9256 X:
Service 245
Boon Lay Interchange - Jurong West Ave 5 (Loop)
via
Jurong West Ctrl 3/Jurong West St 64
Jurong West Ctrl 1
Jalan Boon Lay
Jurong West Ave 2
Jurong West St 24
Jurong West Ave 5
Jurong West St 71
Jurong West Ave 4
Jurong West St 64
I like this route because it provides the bus connection from the Boon Lay Bus Interchange to Jurong West Street 24, and links Jurong West Street 24 to Jurong West Avenue 4.
However, this bus service only moves in one direction. People can only travel from Neighbourhood 2 to Neighbourhood 7, but not the other way round.
I feel that the route should have a looping point while the rest of the route should be in bi-direction, for travel from Jurong West Avenue 4 to Jurong West Street 24. This would encourage some loading throughout the day at most sectors of the route.
Otherwise, this bus service would only have some loading from Jurong West Avenue 4 (in the morning) and to Jurong West Street 24 (in the evening) during peak hours. During regular hours, the section to Jurong West Street 24 may have little loading, while the other sections may have only a handful or even no loading at all.
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Originally posted by SBS2656X:
Service 973
Bukit Panjang >> Joo Koon Integrated Hub via NTU
Jelebu Road (Start)
Bukit Panjang Road
Teck Whye Avenue
Teck Whye Lane
Choa Chu Kang Avenue 1
Choa Chu Kang Central
Choa Chu Kang Avenue 3
Brickland Road
KJE
PIE
Jalan Bahar
Nanyang Avenue
Nanyang Drive
Pioneer Road North
Upper Jurong Road
Kian Teck Road
International Road
Joo Koon Circus (Terminus)
https://www.google.com/maps/d/edit?mid=z362zsIp5SUY.kyXJBLvX4hYY&usp=sharing
*Uses the exact same routing for the opposite direction.
EDIT 1
Omitted Jurong West Street 91/92/93.EDIT 2
Omitted Choa Chu Kang Drive, rerouted via Choa Chu Kang Avenue 3 and Brickland Road.@BusAnalyser how do you think of this one?
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Originally posted by SBS2656X:
Service 973
Bukit Panjang >> Joo Koon Integrated Hub via NTU
Jelebu Road (Start)
Bukit Panjang Road
Teck Whye Avenue
Teck Whye Lane
Choa Chu Kang Avenue 1
Choa Chu Kang Central
Choa Chu Kang Avenue 3
Brickland Road
KJE
PIE
Jalan Bahar
Nanyang Avenue
Nanyang Drive
Pioneer Road North
Upper Jurong Road
Kian Teck Road
International Road
Joo Koon Circus (Terminus)
https://www.google.com/maps/d/edit?mid=z362zsIp5SUY.kyXJBLvX4hYY&usp=sharing
*Uses the exact same routing for the opposite direction.
EDIT 1
Omitted Jurong West Street 91/92/93.EDIT 2
Omitted Choa Chu Kang Drive, rerouted via Choa Chu Kang Avenue 3 and Brickland Road.
Five years ago, when I joined the forum and was only active at the threads about Boon Lay ITH and PTC list of approved bus routes, I ever suggested that we should have bus services travelling from other areas to the Nanyang Technological University, to relieve the loading on bus service 179.
Back then, there was the practice of the SBS Transit and the SMRT having separate areas of responsibility. I suggested having bus routes travelling between the Nanyang Technological University and Choa Chu Kang, but then I realised that it was not possible as both areas were under the responsibility of different operators.
Today, bus operators operate in whichever areas they have bus service at, and bus routes can go anywhere. We can have bus routes between the Nanyang Technological University and Choa Chu Kang.
I like your 973.
Firstly, by connecting the Nanyang Technological University to Choa Chu Kang and Bukit Panjang, it provides an alternative to bus service 179 that only connects to Jurong West.
Secondly, by using the expressway, it provides a faster bus connection than bus service 172, for travel between Jurong West and Choa Chu Kang - although it does not ply Jalan Boon Lay.
Thirdly, this bus service provides a new bus connection between Bukit Panjang and Choa Chu Kang, and Joo Koon. If the travelling time from Bukit Panjang and Choa Chu Kang to Joo Koon is about the same or shorter than that of the fastest route (eg. via the MRT) currently available, this bus connection may be heavily utilised.
Thanks to the excellent bus connections that it provides, this bus service may experience medium to mid-high usage throughout the day. It could have a fleet made up entirely of Double Decker buses, and still have at least 50% loading on each bus.
However, during peak hours, there is traffic congestion at Pioneer Road North... Well, bus lanes could be the solution.
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Service 501:
Boon Lay > Shenton WayJurong West Central 3, Jurong West Street 64, Boon Lay Way, Toh Tuck Avenue, Pan Island Expressway, Thomson Road, Newton Road, Scotts Road, Orchard Road, Bras Basah Road, Raffles Boulevard, Temasek Avenue, Bayfront Avenue, Central Boulevard, Raffles Quay, Shenton Way and Palmer Road
Service 502:
Boon Lay > SengkangJurong West Central 3, Jalan Boon Lay, Boon Lay Avenue, Corporation Road, Jurong West Avenue 1, Jurong East Avenue 1, Jurong Town Hall Road, Pan Island Expressway, Lorong 6 Toa Payoh, Lorong 4 Toa Payoh, Lorong 1 Toa Payoh, Lorong 6 Toa Payoh, Braddell Road, Upper Serangoon Road, Boundary Road, Yio Chu Kang Link, Yio Chu Kang Road, Sengkang West Road, Sengkang West Avenue, Jalan Kayu, Sengkang West Way, Sengkang East Way, Sengkang East Road and Sengkang Square
Service 505:
Sengkang > Jurong EastSengkang Square, Compassvale Road, Compassvale Street, Punggol Road, Tampines Expressway, Central Expressway, Yio Chu Kang Road, Yio Chu Kang Link, Boundary Road, Upper Serangoon Road, Pan Island Expressway, Jurong Town Hall Road, Boon Lay Way, Jurong East Central and Jurong Gateway Road
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Service 152
Eunos Interchange - Woodlands Interchange
via
Eunos Rd 2
Changi Rd
Geylang Rd
Kallang Rd
Lavender St
Serangoon Rd
Jalan Toa Payoh
Whitley Rd
PIE
BKE
Woodlands Ave 3