Route Suggestions (Part 6)
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Some fantastical route suggestions after the opening of MRT Tuas West Extension, making extensive use of Tuas Term (disregard space constraints for now).
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Service 182: Cut short to Tuas Term, deleted sectors replaced by 256. Numbering swap with 258, to standardize 25x as JIS / Tuas services.
Service 258: Numbering swap with 182.
Service 192: Rerouted to serve Tuas West Road MRT Stn.
- Jurong West Ctrl 3
- (current route to Tuas Ave 12)
- Tuas Ave 12
- Pioneer Rd
- Tuas West Dr
Service 254: Extended to (loop at) Tuas Term. Covers lost 192 link at Tuas Link 4.
- Joo Koon Circle
- (current route to Tuas Ave 20)
- Tuas Ave 20
- Pioneer Rd
- Tuas West Rd
- Tuas Link 4
- Tuas West Dr
Service 256: Extended to (loop at) Tuas Term, takes over the skipped sectors of 258 (former 182).
- Jurong West Ctrl 3
- (current route to Benoi Rd)
- Benoi Rd
- Upp Jurong Rd
- PIE
- Jln Ahmad Ibrahim
- Tuas Checkpoint
- Tuas West Dr
New service 250: Tuas Term - Pioneer Sector 2. Provides improved links to extended MRT stns. (If needed, can be merged with 257 to form Joo Koon - Tuas.)
- Tuas West Dr
- Tuas Link 1
- Tuas West Ave
- Tuas Link 4
- Tuas Ave 7
- Tuas Ave 8
- Pioneer Rd
- Tuas Ave 2
- Tuas Ave 3
- Gul Circle
- Gul Crescent
- Gul Lane
- Gul Rd
- Pioneer Sector Lane
- P. S. 2
- P. S. 1
- Gul Lane
- Gul Crescent
- Gul Circle
- (loop back to Tuas Term)
New service 259: Tuas Term - Tuas South Extension. Plys Tuas South areas currently not served by 258 (former 182).
- Tuas West Dr
- Pioneer Rd
- Tuas Ave 20
- Tuas Ave 11
- Tuas Ave 18
- Tuas South Ave 5
- T. S. Ave 6
- T. S. Ave 7
- T. S. Ave 10
- T. S. Ave 5
- T. S. Ave 14
- T. S. Ave 9
- T. S. Ave 10
- T. S. Ave 7
- (loop back to Tuas Term)
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Eventually, the new services serving the Tuas areas are:
- EW30 Gul Circle: 192, 193 (250, 255 in proximity)
- EW31 Tuas Crescent: 250 (193, 254 in proximity)
- EW32 Tuas West Rd: 192, 193, 254, 259
- EW33 Tuas Link / Tuas Terminal: 192, 193, 250, 254, 256, 258, 259
Bus stop changes:
- Joo Koon Int: 99, *182 (former 258), 253, 254, 255, 257.
- Tuas Ave 11: first two stops now served by 259 instead of 254.
- Tuas Link 4: now served by 254 instead of 192.
- Tuas Ave 7: now served by 250 instead of 192.
- Pioneer Rd (west of Tuas West Rd): now served by 192 and 259.
- Tuas South areas served by 258 (former 182) and 259.
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Service 171: Jurong East > Marina Centre
Jurong Gateway Road, Jurong East Central, Jurong Town Hall Road, Bukit Batok Road, Bukit Batok West Avenue 3, Bukit Batok Central, Bukit Batok East Avenue 3, Bukit Batok East Avenue 6, Jalan Jurong Kechil, Jalan Anak Bukit, Dunearn Road, Scotts Road, Orchard Road, Bras Basah Road and Raffles BoulevardService 502:
Boon Lay > Sengkang
Jurong West Central 3, Jalan Boon Lay, Boon Lay Avenue, Corporation Road, Jurong West Avenue 1, Jurong East Avenue 1, Jurong Town Hall Road, Pan Island Expressway, Thomson Road, Newton Road, Scotts Road, Orchard Road, Prinsep Street, Selegie Road, Serangoon Road, Upper Serangoon Road, Boundary Road, Yio Chu Kang Link, Yio Chu Kang Road, Sengkang West Road, Sengkang West Avenue, Jalan Kayu, Sengkang West Way, Sengkang East Way, Sengkang East Road and Sengkang Square
Service 503:
Sengkang > Jurong East
Sengkang Square, Compassvale Road, Compassvale Street, Punggol Road, Tampines Expressway, Central Expressway, Yio Chu Kang Road, Yio Chu Kang Link, Boundary Road, Upper Serangoon Road, Pan Island Expressway, Jurong Town Hall Road, Boon Lay Way, Jurong East Central and Jurong Gateway Road -
Service 194
Boon Lay Interchange - Upp Jurong Rd (Loop)
Via
Jurong West Central 3/Central 2
Jalan Boon Lay
Jalan Ahmad Ibrahim
Tuas Rd
Upp Jurong Rd
Benoi Rd
Jalan Ahmad Ibrahim
Jalan Boon Lay
Jurong West Central 3 -
Originally posted by SBS 9256 X:
Service 194
Boon Lay Interchange - Upp Jurong Rd (Loop)
Via
Jurong West Central 3/Central 2
Jalan Boon Lay
Jalan Ahmad Ibrahim
Tuas Rd
Upp Jurong Rd
Benoi Rd
Jalan Ahmad Ibrahim
Jalan Boon Lay
Jurong West Central 3This will be the suggestion when Service 194 is extended... or not
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Originally posted by SBS 9256 X:
Service 194
Boon Lay Interchange - Upp Jurong Rd (Loop)
Via
Jurong West Central 3/Central 2
Jalan Boon Lay
Jalan Ahmad Ibrahim
Tuas Rd
Upp Jurong Rd
Benoi Rd
Jalan Ahmad Ibrahim
Jalan Boon Lay
Jurong West Central 3I'm assuming you are taking the Tuas Rd end loop before returning via PIE and Upp Jurong Rd?
Not viable to extend a Bird Park service any further, for the time being. Too much route duplication as well. If necessary, extend 256 instead.
Also Tuas Rd is not that badly in need of links ... 254 still goes near Tuas Crescent MRT station. It's the Gul and Pioneer Sector areas that would benefit from a closer link to Gul Circle station. (Hence my suggestion on 250 above.)
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Originally posted by AJQZC:
I'm assuming you are taking the Tuas Rd end loop before returning via PIE and Upp Jurong Rd?
Not viable to extend a Bird Park service any further, for the time being. Too much route duplication as well. If necessary, extend 256 instead.
Also Tuas Rd is not that badly in need of links ... 254 still goes near Tuas Crescent MRT station. It's the Gul and Pioneer Sector areas that would benefit from a closer link to Gul Circle station. (Hence my suggestion on 250 above.)
Actually I am using the roundabout under Tuas Flyover. The extension for me is simply for NSmen and NSFs from Pasir Laba Camp have another alternative service besides 182/182M aft the amendment of Svc 193 later next month. Since It is not viable/visable to extend the service then I shall see other alternatives.
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Amendment to SBST 181
Jurong West St 64
Jurong West St 75
Jurong West Ave 5
Jurong West Ave 3
Jurong West St 22/23 (1 bus-stop opposite Corporation pri where 185 is)
Jurong West St 24 (1 bus-stop outside Blk 272B)
Jurong West Ave 3
Jurong West Ave 5
Jurong West St 75
Jurong West St 64Purpose: To serve the upcoming new mosque (which will be ready in September 2016) & at the same time benefit Corporation pri students
What do you think?
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Originally posted by azharjj:
Amendment to SBST 181
Jurong West St 64
Jurong West St 75
Jurong West Ave 5
Jurong West Ave 3
Jurong West St 22/23 (1 bus-stop opposite Corporation pri where 185 is)
Jurong West St 24 (1 bus-stop outside Blk 272B)
Jurong West Ave 3
Jurong West Ave 5
Jurong West St 75
Jurong West St 64Purpose: To serve the upcoming new mosque (which will be ready in September 2016) & at the same time benefit Corporation pri students
What do you think?
This route is good. It would benefit the people working at the industrial buildings along Jurong West Street 23, the staff and students of Corporation Primary School, and the people going to the mosque. However, I feel that it would be better if we let it ply both directions on Jurong West Street 24, 23 and 22, so that the bus service 181 would not have to skip any bus stop. Anyway, there is a roundabout at the extended road of Jurong West Street 24.
Meanwhile, we could let the route ply Jurong West Street 25 twice in the same direction but call at staggered bus stops (ie. to Boon Lay Bus Interchange, to Jurong West Street 24). This would benefit the people staying inside of Jurong West Street 25, as well as the staff and students of Westwood Secondary School.
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Originally posted by jurongresident:
This route is good. It would benefit the people working at the industrial buildings along Jurong West Street 23, the staff and students of Corporation Primary School, and the people going to the mosque. However, I feel that it would be better if we let it ply both directions on Jurong West Street 24, 23 and 22, so that the bus service 181 would not have to skip any bus stop. Anyway, there is a roundabout at the extended road of Jurong West Street 24.
Meanwhile, we could let the route ply Jurong West Street 25 twice in the same direction but call at staggered bus stops (ie. to Boon Lay Bus Interchange, to Jurong West Street 24). This would benefit the people staying inside of Jurong West Street 25, as well as the staff and students of Westwood Secondary School.
i'm an ex-student of that school and plying st 25 is obviously not a good idea because the road is very narrow (cant even expand the road) and at the end of the road, no space to do 3-point turn too
my propose route only skip opp blk 276B bus stop... i think it doesnt affect anyone as well
plying st 24 because the 172/199 bus stop & 157 bus-stop is very far away from the mosque (unless they make a new bus-stop right after turning right to ave 2 for 157 twrds tpy)
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Convert 128 to a full day service and renumbered 162M to the current 162.
128 Yio Chu Kang Terminal - Shenton Way Terminal
via
Ang Mo Kio Ave 8
Bishan Rd
Braddell Rd (Express)
Thomson Rd
Newton Rd
Scotts Rd
Orchard Rd
Bras Basah Rd
Nicoll Highway
Esplanade Dr/Fullerton Rd
Collyer/Raffles Quay
Shenton WayReturn Leg:
Anson Rd
Robinson Rd
Fullerton Rd/Esplanade Dr
Stamford Rd
Orchard Rd/Penang Rd/Somerset Rd
Grange Rd/Orchard Link
Orchard Turn/Orchard Boulevard
Scotts Rd/Newton Rd
Thomson Rd
Upp Thomson Rd
Braddell Rd (Express)
Bishan Rd
Ang Mo Kio Ave 8 -
Originally posted by azharjj:
i'm an ex-student of that school and plying st 25 is obviously not a good idea because the road is very narrow (cant even expand the road) and at the end of the road, no space to do 3-point turn too
my propose route only skip opp blk 276B bus stop... i think it doesnt affect anyone as well
plying st 24 because the 172/199 bus stop & 157 bus-stop is very far away from the mosque (unless they make a new bus-stop right after turning right to ave 2 for 157 twrds tpy)
I also. I went there almost everyday from Monday to Friday, for four years (2009-2012). Once a while, I went there on Saturday.
Who's name is Westwood? Ours! :)
But then, ... WWSS is not the same as last time. E.g. I heard that the discipline standard has dropped.
Anyway,
Other than the two pairs of bus stop at Jurong West Avenue 3, the other pair of bus stop is at Jalan Bahar, and it's quite a distance away. I'm suggesting a bus service that plies Jurong West Street 25, so that bus services would be more accessible to the people staying there.
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Splitting of Service 858
Not sure if anyone had suggested something similar here, but I decided to come up with my own rendition of such a suggestion.
Service 858 is one of the many heavily-utilized bus services that is unable to use high capacity buses. Just like the other airport bus services, double-deck buses cannot be used due to height limitations in the PTBs of Changi Airport, while articulated buses are still in the midst of testing of their feasibility to operate on airport bus services.
However, despite its inability to carry more passengers, its passenger demand had not decreased, but increased significantly first with its route amendment to serve Sembawang New Town in 2010 and the opening of a new pair of bus stops along the Punggol Flyover of the Tampines Expressway in 2014, which provided a much faster travel option for residents of Sengkang/Punggol from the airport compared to Services 27 and 34.
Moreover, its frequency is often impacted due to traffic congestions along the express sectors of SLE/TPE/PIE, notwithstanding the fact that it has become the longest loop service after its adjustment into Sembawang New Town. Despite fleet additions under the Bus Service Enhancement Programme (BSEP) and its placing under the Bus Service Reliability Framework (BSRF) to reduce bunching instances, things still did not improve much.
While solutions such as building an integrated bus interchange in Changi Airport that allows the accommodation of double-deck buses, further testing of articulated buses to ensure its feasibility to run into Changi Airport or even the introduction of a route variant that plies between the residential estates it serve are suggested by many here, another possible solution would be to split the route into two to better regulate its frequency and distribute the demand of the service.
Thus, here is a suggestion of the splitting up of Service 858:
Service 858 (Sembawang - Changi Airport)
- Route shortened to Sembawang Int via Sembawang Cres/Dr/Vista
- Sectors in Woodlands replaced by new Service 968
- Skips Yishun Central 2 to further reduce travel time with alternative Services 103 & 853Sembawang Int
Sembawang Dr
Sembawang Cres
Sembawang Way
Canberra Rd
Sembawang Rd
Yishun Ave 5
Yishun Ave 2
Lentor Ave
(SLE)
(TPE)
Jln Kayu
(TPE)
Punggol Flyover
(TPE)
(PIE)
(ECP)
Airport Blvd
PTB3 Basement
PTB1 Basement
PTB2 Basement (Loop)
Airport Blvd
(ECP)
(PIE)
(TPE)
Punggol Flyover
(TPE)
Jln Kayu
(TPE)
(SLE)
Lentor Ave
Yishun Ave 2
Yishun Ave 5
Sembawang Rd
Canberra Rd
Sembawang Way
Sembawang Cres
Sembawang Dr
Sembawang IntService 968 (Woodlands - Changi Airport via Bukit Panjang)
- Replaces the sectors of Service 858 in Woodlands
- Provides a much faster connection to the airport without winding around Sembawang/Yishun (the slight detour into Bukit Panjang aims to be minimal to ensure it is not too long-winded)
- Provides new direct connections from Bukit Panjang to the airport
- Complements the demand of Service 966 between Bukit Panjang and Toa Payoh/Kallang BahruWoodlands Reg Int
Woodlands Ave 7
Woodlands Ave 4
Woodlands Ave 9
Gambas Ave
(Woodlands Ave 12)
(SLE)
(BKE)
Bt Panjang Rd
Pending Rd
Petir Rd
(Dairy Farm Rd)
(BKE)
(PIE)
PIE (Whitley Rd)
Jln Toa Payoh
Jln Kolam Ayer
(PIE)
(ECP)
Airport Blvd
PTB3 Basement
PTB1 Basement
PTB2 Basement (Loop)
Airport Blvd
(ECP)
(PIE)
Jln Kolam Ayer
Jln Toa Payoh
Whitley Rd
(PIE)
(BKE)
(Dairy Farm Rd)
Petir Rd
Pending Rd
Bt Panjang Rd
(BKE)
(SLE)
(Woodlands Ave 12)
Gambas Ave
Woodlands Ave 9
Woodlands Ave 4
Woodlands Ave 7
Woodlands Reg IntWhile the splitting will cause the loss of links between Woodlands, Sembawang and Yishun, alternative Services 962 (to SBW) and 965/969 (to YIS), as well as the NSL, remain available to commuters. Moreover, Services 965/969 provide much faster connections to Yishun compared to the existing Service 858 route. While Service 962's link between Woodlands and Sembawang may not be as direct, the travel time is roughly similar to that of Service 858 (making a detour into the inner neighbourhoods of Woodlands before hitting Sembawang Way).
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Originally posted by SBS7557R:
Splitting of Service 858
Not sure if anyone had suggested something similar here, but I decided to come up with my own rendition of such a suggestion.
Service 858 is one of the many heavily-utilized bus services that is unable to use high capacity buses. Just like the other airport bus services, double-deck buses cannot be used due to height limitations in the PTBs of Changi Airport, while articulated buses are still in the midst of testing of their feasibility to operate on airport bus services.
However, despite its inability to carry more passengers, its passenger demand had not decreased, but increased significantly first with its route amendment to serve Sembawang New Town in 2010 and the opening of a new pair of bus stops along the Punggol Flyover of the Tampines Expressway in 2014, which provided a much faster travel option for residents of Sengkang/Punggol from the airport compared to Services 27 and 34.
Moreover, its frequency is often impacted due to traffic congestions along the express sectors of SLE/TPE/PIE, notwithstanding the fact that it has become the longest loop service after its adjustment into Sembawang New Town. Despite fleet additions under the Bus Service Enhancement Programme (BSEP) and its placing under the Bus Service Reliability Framework (BSRF) to reduce bunching instances, things still did not improve much.
While solutions such as building an integrated bus interchange in Changi Airport that allows the accommodation of double-deck buses, further testing of articulated buses to ensure its feasibility to run into Changi Airport or even the introduction of a route variant that plies between the residential estates it serve are suggested by many here, another possible solution would be to split the route into two to better regulate its frequency and distribute the demand of the service.
Thus, here is a suggestion of the splitting up of Service 858:
Service 858 (Sembawang - Changi Airport)
- Route shortened to Sembawang Int via Sembawang Cres/Dr/Vista
- Sectors in Woodlands replaced by new Service 968
- Skips Yishun Central 2 to further reduce travel time with alternative Services 103 & 853Sembawang Int
Sembawang Dr
Sembawang Cres
Sembawang Way
Canberra Rd
Sembawang Rd
Yishun Ave 5
Yishun Ave 2
Lentor Ave
(SLE)
(TPE)
Jln Kayu
(TPE)
Punggol Flyover
(TPE)
(PIE)
(ECP)
Airport Blvd
PTB3 Basement
PTB1 Basement
PTB2 Basement (Loop)
Airport Blvd
(ECP)
(PIE)
(TPE)
Punggol Flyover
(TPE)
Jln Kayu
(TPE)
(SLE)
Lentor Ave
Yishun Ave 2
Yishun Ave 5
Sembawang Rd
Canberra Rd
Sembawang Way
Sembawang Cres
Sembawang Dr
Sembawang IntService 968 (Woodlands - Changi Airport via Bukit Panjang)
- Replaces the sectors of Service 858 in Woodlands
- Provides a much faster connection to the airport without winding around Sembawang/Yishun (the slight detour into Bukit Panjang aims to be minimal to ensure it is not too long-winded)
- Provides new direct connections from Bukit Panjang to the airport
- Complements the demand of Service 966 between Bukit Panjang and Toa Payoh/Kallang BahruWoodlands Reg Int
Woodlands Ave 7
Woodlands Ave 4
Woodlands Ave 9
Gambas Ave
(Woodlands Ave 12)
(SLE)
(BKE)
Bt Panjang Rd
Pending Rd
Petir Rd
(Dairy Farm Rd)
(BKE)
(PIE)
PIE (Whitley Rd)
Jln Toa Payoh
Jln Kolam Ayer
(PIE)
(ECP)
Airport Blvd
PTB3 Basement
PTB1 Basement
PTB2 Basement (Loop)
Airport Blvd
(ECP)
(PIE)
Jln Kolam Ayer
Jln Toa Payoh
Whitley Rd
(PIE)
(BKE)
(Dairy Farm Rd)
Petir Rd
Pending Rd
Bt Panjang Rd
(BKE)
(SLE)
(Woodlands Ave 12)
Gambas Ave
Woodlands Ave 9
Woodlands Ave 4
Woodlands Ave 7
Woodlands Reg IntWhile the splitting will cause the loss of links between Woodlands, Sembawang and Yishun, alternative Services 962 (to SBW) and 965/969 (to YIS), as well as the NSL, remain available to commuters. Moreover, Services 965/969 provide much faster connections to Yishun compared to the existing Service 858 route. While Service 962's link between Woodlands and Sembawang may not be as direct, the travel time is roughly similar to that of Service 858 (making a detour into the inner neighbourhoods of Woodlands before hitting Sembawang Way).
I had suggested the splitting, but different from yours.
958: Woodlands Interchange <> Changi Airport (express)
Woodlands Interchange >> Admiralty MRT >> Sembawang MRT >> Yishun MRT >> Khatib MRT >> Jalan Kayu >> TPE stop >> Changi Airport
858: Woodlands Interchange <> Punggol Interchange
Current 858 route, turning left on Punggol Road >> Punggol Field >> Punggol Way >> Punggol Central >> Punggol Interchange
* This suggestion was before 117 talks came into picture. I thought would make immense sense to have 958 as express service to airport, and parallel to MRT, while 858 to go to Punggol and use high capacity buses.
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Originally posted by SBS7557R:
Splitting of Service 858
Service 968 (Woodlands - Changi Airport via Bukit Panjang)- Replaces the sectors of Service 858 in Woodlands
- Provides a much faster connection to the airport without winding around Sembawang/Yishun (the slight detour into Bukit Panjang aims to be minimal to ensure it is not too long-winded)
- Provides new direct connections from Bukit Panjang to the airport
- Complements the demand of Service 966 between Bukit Panjang and Toa Payoh/Kallang BahruWoodlands Reg Int
Woodlands Ave 7
Woodlands Ave 4
Woodlands Ave 9
Gambas Ave
(Woodlands Ave 12)
(SLE)
(BKE)
Bt Panjang Rd
Pending Rd
Petir Rd
(Dairy Farm Rd)
(BKE)
(PIE)
PIE (Whitley Rd)
Jln Toa Payoh
Jln Kolam Ayer
(PIE)
(ECP)
Airport Blvd
PTB3 Basement
PTB1 Basement
PTB2 Basement (Loop)
Airport Blvd
(ECP)
(PIE)
Jln Kolam Ayer
Jln Toa Payoh
Whitley Rd
(PIE)
(BKE)
(Dairy Farm Rd)
Petir Rd
Pending Rd
Bt Panjang Rd
(BKE)
(SLE)
(Woodlands Ave 12)
Gambas Ave
Woodlands Ave 9
Woodlands Ave 4
Woodlands Ave 7
Woodlands Reg IntWhile the splitting will cause the loss of links between Woodlands, Sembawang and Yishun, alternative Services 962 (to SBW) and 965/969 (to YIS), as well as the NSL, remain available to commuters. Moreover, Services 965/969 provide much faster connections to Yishun compared to the existing Service 858 route. While Service 962's link between Woodlands and Sembawang may not be as direct, the travel time is roughly similar to that of Service 858 (making a detour into the inner neighbourhoods of Woodlands before hitting Sembawang Way).
I don't think this service would provide a "faster connection". The route length itself is considerably longer, considering the detour around Bt Panjang / PIE would be much less direct.
Using 966's route as a gauge, the distance from Woodlands Ave 3 --> BKE --> BPJ --> BKE --> PIE --> CGA would be 22 (*966) + 14 (PIE) + 4 (Airport) = 40km. If you add 968's detour to Woodlands Ave 9 / 12, that would be another 9km, giving a total of almost 100km round-trip. Coupling with PIE's much more frequent congestions and jams, it's not much better even if you start the trip from Sembawang. Overall, still not worth it.
Your effort to include a direct service from Bt Panjang to the Airport is admirable, but not entirely necessary, given that DTL2 will be opening soon, and MRT is generally faster and more reliable in terms of travelling time. If there is additional demand, consider introducing premium services; if not it will just be wasting resources. Toa Payoh - Changi Airport may use a separate service.
I would still recommend BusAnalayzer's suggestion to get most of 858 on high capacity first, before patching the route back to CGA.
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Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:
I had suggested the splitting, but different from yours.
958: Woodlands Interchange <> Changi Airport (express)
Woodlands Interchange >> Admiralty MRT >> Sembawang MRT >> Yishun MRT >> Khatib MRT >> Jalan Kayu >> TPE stop >> Changi Airport
858: Woodlands Interchange <> Punggol Interchange
Current 858 route, turning left on Punggol Road >> Punggol Field >> Punggol Way >> Punggol Central >> Punggol Interchange
* This suggestion was before 117 talks came into picture. I thought would make immense sense to have 958 as express service to airport, and parallel to MRT, while 858 to go to Punggol and use high capacity buses.
An alternative would be to terminate 858 at Pasir Ris, then introduce a new service (SBST / GAG) from Pasir Ris - Changi Airport running on express via Pasir Ris Dr 8, adjusted to high frequency only during CGA peak hours (this can be easily controlled by the nearby Loyang Depot). This can also ease the load on 53. How about that?
Service 858 adjustment:
- Woodlands Int
- (current route towards TPE)
- TPE
- Elias Rd (return journey via Pasir Ris Dr 1 / 12, on express)
- Pasir Ris Dr 1
- Pasir Ris Ctrl (non-stop)
- Pasir Ris Int
New service 404: Pasir Ris - Changi Airport (loop)
- Pasir Ris Int
- Pasir Ris Dr 3 (non-stop)
- Pasir Ris St 52
- Pasir Ris Dr 1
- Pasir Ris Dr 8 (non-stop)
- TPE
- PIE
- Airport Blvd
- (loop back to Pasir Ris)
Thus to save time, passengers can also transfer at the bus stop at Blk 571, avoiding the large crowds at the next stop beside the MRT.
Under the new contracting model, all revenue still goes to LTA, so there wouldn't be an issue with dividing the split revenue.
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EDIT 29/11/2015: Bendy NG363Fs have been deployed on 858 as of today. Consider the above suggestion moot.
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Ah no and will not happen, there are still people like myself in woodlands and yishun and sembawang who take 858 directly to CGA. Although it is long but direct. People would not be happy to trf buses at PSR
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Originally posted by AJQZC:
I don't think this service would provide a "faster connection". The route length itself is considerably longer, considering the detour around Bt Panjang / PIE would be much less direct.
Using 966's route as a gauge, the distance from Woodlands Ave 3 --> BKE --> BPJ --> BKE --> PIE --> CGA would be 22 (*966) + 14 (PIE) + 4 (Airport) = 40km. If you add 968's detour to Woodlands Ave 9 / 12, that would be another 9km, giving a total of almost 100km round-trip. Coupling with PIE's much more frequent congestions and jams, it's not much better even if you start the trip from Sembawang. Overall, still not worth it.
Your effort to include a direct service from Bt Panjang to the Airport is admirable, but not entirely necessary, given that DTL2 will be opening soon, and MRT is generally faster and more reliable in terms of travelling time. If there is additional demand, consider introducing premium services; if not it will just be wasting resources. Toa Payoh - Changi Airport may use a separate service.
I would still recommend BusAnalayzer's suggestion to get most of 858 on high capacity first, before patching the route back to CGA.
I would agree with the feedback you gave with regards to the probably longer distance for the express sector of the suggested Sv968. Will take these factors into consideration for future route suggestions.
But with regards to the opening of DTL2, I feel that a direct bus from Bukit Panjang to the airport may be viable compared to transferring to EWL at Bugis and then CGL at Tanah Merah. Most "successful" semi-express trunk bus services are sort of making use of this factor of being more direct than the MRT to thrive isn't it? (e.g. Sv168 being faster from Woodlands to Tampines compared to taking NSL at Woodlands, then transferring to EWL at City Hall or Raffles Place to reach Tampines). Cheers.
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Originally posted by SBS7557R:
I would agree with the feedback you gave with regards to the probably longer distance for the express sector of the suggested Sv968. Will take these factors into consideration for future route suggestions.
But with regards to the opening of DTL2, I feel that a direct bus from Bukit Panjang to the airport may be viable compared to transferring to EWL at Bugis and then CGL at Tanah Merah. Most "successful" semi-express trunk bus services are sort of making use of this factor of being more direct than the MRT to thrive isn't it? (e.g. Sv168 being faster from Woodlands to Tampines compared to taking NSL at Woodlands, then transferring to EWL at City Hall or Raffles Place to reach Tampines). Cheers.
Well, 168 works because the direct distance is easily covered by SLE/TPE, which is a lot faster and more direct than MRT. But between Bt Panjang and CGA, while there is BKE/PIE, MRT is still considerably direct with DTL/EWL (even with the transfer passage) or DTL/CCL/EWL. The longer distance also makes a bus service more vulnerable to road conditions, so its timing would be less reliable.
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Instead of 2 different numbers...
SMRT 858/858X(Blue Plate)
858 :
Old route, proceed to Gambas straight away. (WDL to Airport)858X(Blue Plate) :
Ends at Sembawang Int. (Airport to SBW)858A :
Ends at Yishun Int (Airport to Yishun)
SMRT 880 :
Yishun/SBW Int <-> Adm MRT(loop) -
Originally posted by TIB429E:
Instead of 2 different numbers...
SMRT 858/858X(Blue Plate)
858 :
Old route, proceed to Gambas straight away. (WDL to Airport)858X(Blue Plate) :
Ends at Sembawang Int. (Airport to SBW)858A :
Ends at Yishun Int (Airport to Yishun)
SMRT 880 :
Yishun/SBW Int <-> Adm MRT(loop)Too complicated and duplicative.
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Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:
Too complicated and duplicative.
Haha how complicated can it be?
Commuters just have to see the numbers, and get notified of the changes.
858 - Never go to Sembawang
858X(with a blue plate stating "Sembawang") - Go to Sembawang
858A(probably peak hours only) - Ends at YishunReason :
- Adm/Wdl residents will use back 962/AC7 for Sembawang connection.
- Adm/Wdl residents might use 858 to reach KTPH.
- Sbw/Yis residents uses 858 to reach KTPH. -
Service 104
Sembawang Interchange - New Bridge Road Terminal
via
Sembawang Vista
Sembawang Dr
Sembawang Way
Canberra Rd
Sembawang Rd
Yishun Ave 7
Yishun Ave 6
Yishun Ave 1
Seletar West Link
CTE
Bukit Timah Rd
Scotts Rd
Orchard Rd
Bras Basah Rd
HIll St
New Bridge Rd -
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Originally posted by SBS 9256 X:
Service 104
Sembawang Interchange - New Bridge Road Terminal
via
Sembawang Vista
Sembawang Dr
Sembawang Way
Canberra Rd
Sembawang Rd
Yishun Ave 7
Yishun Ave 6
Yishun Ave 1
Seletar West Link
CTE
Bukit Timah Rd
Scotts Rd
Orchard Rd
Bras Basah Rd
HIll St
New Bridge Rd
So SBST is slowly taking over Sembawang? Lol... -
Can 502 be rerouted to go via Cross Street, New Bridge Road, Cantonment Road, Keppel Road, Telok Blangah Road and Alexandra Road when CCL6 opens? This will provide connectivity from Pinnacle @ Duxton to Tanjong Pagar Railway Station. Only left 75, 167 and 196.
Shame on you, LTA.