Route Suggestions (Part 6)
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Originally posted by SMB1368T:
Here is what I think of everything:
If 14 & 147 are amended, 146 will be introduced to cover 14 since it is an important part of the route.
147 is to be amended to terminate at Marina South ITH, keeping its route between Bukit Merah & Clementi unchanged; the route towards Hougang will be withdrawned and replaced by 152 from New Bridge Rd Ter to Hougang to increase reliability of 147. 153 also go to Hougang from nearby. Also introduce 110 running between Marina South ITH & Sengkang/Buangkok to serve the needs of Sengkang residents
Basically the amendment of 147 is the very same amendment of 76 previously
Since LTA had the initial intention to cut 147 up to Marina Centre during the NEL rationalization, won't they feel hesitant to even introduce this proposed 152 to replace the sectors that "heavily duplicate the NEL"? Just my two cents.
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Repost, for feedback.
Service 833: Sembawang - Yishun (loop)
- Sembawang Int
- Sembawang Dr
- Sembawang Ave
- Sembawang Rd
- Canberra Street
- Canberra Way
- Canberra Link
- Yishun Ave 2
- Yishun Ave 7
- Yishun Ave 6
- Yishun Ave 9
- Yishun Temp Int (stopover)
- Yishun Ctrl 2
- Yishun Ctrl (right turn)
- Yishun Ave 2
- Yishun Ctrl
- Yishun Ave 9
- (loop back to Sembawang)
833A can loop at Canberra MRT, then loop back via Canberra View --> Crescent --> Way.
A future route amendment of 169 to serve Canberra Walk and Canberra Crescent will be enough to take care of that side, with 117/833 covering the skipped sectors.
In this way all three MRT stations are served, and those living / working along Yishun Ave 7 and Ave 9 will have an alternative MRT link to Canberra and do not need to rely solely on 811. Sembawang Drive residents can also get easier access to Yishun and KTPH.
(Am using the number 833, just to facilitate a possible future scenario of the renumbering of 980/981/882 to 830/831/832. This is tentative, of course.)
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exactly. However, in these few years, LTA said that they are looking towards shortening long-winded routes because their frequency is not good like 858 sometimes. That was why 76 was amended because it serves many major areas of Singapore. I have to explain this in the other thread in which I related 76 with 857
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Originally posted by AJQZC:
Repost, for feedback.
Service 833: Sembawang - Yishun (loop)
- Sembawang Int
- Sembawang Dr
- Sembawang Ave
- Sembawang Rd
- Canberra Street
- Canberra Way
- Canberra Link
- Yishun Ave 2
- Yishun Ave 7
- Yishun Ave 6
- Yishun Ave 9
- Yishun Temp Int (stopover)
- Yishun Ctrl 2
- Yishun Ctrl (right turn)
- Yishun Ave 2
- Yishun Ctrl
- Yishun Ave 9
- (loop back to Sembawang)
833A can loop at Canberra MRT, then loop back via Canberra View --> Crescent --> Way.
A future route amendment of 169 to serve Canberra Walk and Canberra Crescent will be enough to take care of that side, with 117/833 covering the skipped sectors.
In this way all three MRT stations are served, and those living / working along Yishun Ave 7 and Ave 9 will have an alternative MRT link to Canberra and do not need to rely solely on 811. Sembawang Drive residents can also get easier access to Yishun and KTPH.
(Am using the number 833, just to facilitate a possible future scenario of the renumbering of 980/981/882 to 830/831/832. This is tentative, of course.)
I like your idea for this. However this route serves the YIS industries which is not good for the balance between the residents and the workers. I have 887 which enters the 'outside' Canberra then into YIS industries for this, while 888 enters inside Canberra then to Yishun via KTPH. How about it?
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Originally posted by SMB1368T:
exactly. However, in these few years, LTA said that they are looking towards shortening long-winded routes because their frequency is not good like 858 sometimes. That was why 76 was amended because it serves many major areas of Singapore. I have to explain this in the other thread in which I related 76 with 857
857 is a semi-express service much like 190 and 700 (when it was WDL to Marina Centre/Shenton Way)
Airport bound services used to be bi-directional. The problem with old 989 was its length. The removal of 989 prompts the issue of missing direct links.
Looping trunk services would be amended into bi-directional routes. There is possibility that 965 will terminate at Sengkang Int when Sengkang Int is expanded. However, short trunks that loops will not be affected. For Airport and Cross border services, they will not affected.
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Originally posted by SBS2652G:
Service 117 Amendment into Canberra Estate
- direct connectivity to and fro Canberra BTOs and Sembawang Int / MRT, Yishun MRT and future Canberra MRT
Originally posted by AJQZC:How about this:
Service 833: Sembawang - Yishun (loop)
- Sembawang Int
- Sembawang Dr
- Sembawang Ave
- Sembawang Rd
- Canberra Street
- Canberra Way
- Canberra Link
- Yishun Ave 2
- Yishun Ave 7
- Yishun Ave 6
- Yishun Ave 9
- Yishun Temp Int (stopover)
- Yishun Ctrl 2
- Yishun Ctrl (right turn)
- Yishun Ave 2
- Yishun Ctrl
- Yishun Ave 9
- (loop back to Sembawang)
833A can loop at Canberra MRT, then loop back via Canberra View --> Crescent --> Way.
A future route amendment of 169 to serve Canberra Walk and Canberra Crescent will be enough to take care of that side, with 117/833 covering the skipped sectors.
In this way all three MRT stations are served, and those living / working along Yishun Ave 7 and Ave 9 will have an alternative MRT link to Canberra and do not need to rely solely on 811. Sembawang Drive residents can also get easier access to Yishun and KTPH.
(Am using the number 833, just to facilitate a possible future scenario of the renumbering of 980/981/882 to 830/831/832. This is tentative, of course.)
eh i think it is better to keep 169 as it is, amend 117 and introduce 833
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Originally posted by TPS Timothy Mok:
Split 14 could be easier job, and insider job. The service 146 can run from Bedok all the way to Shenton Way, which goes via the Nicoll Highway Station, and via Raffles Quay, Shenton Way. It can replace the 14e, and provide reliability, as most of the load all go to Shenton Way, not to Orchard Road unneccessary.
In this way, 14 can be diverted to Dunman High School, but commuters are not inconvenienced as they can transfer at Nicoll Highway bus stops, and part of Mountbatten Road bus stops.
I don't understand what you're saying and I don't know if anyone else does.
I hope you observe 14 on weekends. In addition, there's already 10 from East Coast Rd to Shenton Way and 196 from Mountbatten Rd to Shenton Way. And just because more people are going to Shenton Way during peak hours, this doens't mean that their direct link to Orchard can be removed so easily.
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Originally posted by SMB1368T:
Here is what I think of everything:
If 14 & 147 are amended, 146 will be introduced to cover 14 since it is an important part of the route.
147 is to be amended to terminate at Marina South ITH, keeping its route between Bukit Merah & Clementi unchanged; the route towards Hougang will be withdrawned and replaced by 152 from New Bridge Rd Ter to Hougang to increase reliability of 147. 153 also go to Hougang from nearby. Also introduce 110 running between Marina South ITH & Sengkang/Buangkok to serve the needs of Sengkang residents
Basically the amendment of 147 is the very same amendment of 76 previously
When it comes to long-distance services passing through the city, I don't quite agree with splitting up them using 76's approach, which is just breaking up the route at one point (in 76's case, Paya Lebar) and separate into two services.
76 works this way (or forumers here think it does) because demand is "only" from Paya Lebar MRT to Marine Parade. In the worst case, there's still 43 for those travelling beyond Paya Lebar. That's not the case for most city services (such as 147, 14 or even 51 that have been in the discussion these days), where commuters often take one service to multiple destinations in the city.
That's why I don't agree with simply separating 147 at NBR/Chinatown.
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Originally posted by SBS7557R:
Since LTA had the initial intention to cut 147 up to Marina Centre during the NEL rationalization, won't they feel hesitant to even introduce this proposed 152 to replace the sectors that "heavily duplicate the NEL"? Just my two cents.
I hope the authorities have already realised the importance of services duplicating MRT lines in case of train braekdowns. Relying on a few e-pulled shuttle buses (often SDs) is simply not enough.
170A was introduced for a reason.
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that means 147 cannot be amended as it enters the city and connects both towns, though I am thinking that it would be shortened to Bidadari ITH one day.
on the other hand, 7 & 14 cannot be amended too as they connect the Clementi residents with the city, unless it is safe that 146 replaces 14, however we must also think about the possible high demand of the service given that it also serves Bukit Batok & Toh Guan
However, if not, there still ought to be a route from Clementi being kicked out...otherwise I have an idea of a Multi-Storey Bus Interchange (MSBI)
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Originally posted by SMB1368T:
that means 147 cannot be amended as it enters the city and connects both towns, though I am thinking that it would be shortened to Bidadari ITH one day.
on the other hand, 7 & 14 cannot be amended too as they connect the Clementi residents with the city, unless it is safe that 146 replaces 14, however we must also think about the possible high demand of the service given that it also serves Bukit Batok & Toh Guan
However, if not, there still ought to be a route from Clementi being kicked out...otherwise I have an idea of a Multi-Storey Bus Interchange (MSBI)
Huh? What are you talking about? None of 7, 14, 147 and any other service mentioned in this subtopic serve Bt Batok or Toh Guan. And it's unlikely that any of them would be shortened without replacement services. (If you are referring to my version of 146 between BBDEP and St. Michaels, make that clear.)
P.S. Please be cautious of your sentence structure. Don't spam negatives such as "however", "unless", "otherwise" and "if not" in the same sentence or paragraph, that will just make your words seem vague and confusing; just use one will do.
#grammar #justsaying
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Originally posted by SMB1368T:
that means 147 cannot be amended as it enters the city and connects both towns, though I am thinking that it would be shortened to Bidadari ITH one day.
on the other hand, 7 & 14 cannot be amended too as they connect the Clementi residents with the city, unless it is safe that 146 replaces 14, however we must also think about the possible high demand of the service given that it also serves Bukit Batok & Toh Guan
However, if not, there still ought to be a route from Clementi being kicked out...otherwise I have an idea of a Multi-Storey Bus Interchange (MSBI)
None of the routes can be amended unless there is severe duplication. Even if split, there will have to be certain section that has to be duplicated.
Best split for 14
14: Bedok Interchange >> Tomlinson Road (loop)
149: Clementi Interchange >> Rochor Canal Road (loop)
* The section of Orchard/Dhoby Ghaut will be duplicated
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Best split for 67
67: CCK Interchange >> Towner Road (loop)
68: Pasir Ris Interchange >> Middle Road (loop)
Pasir Ris Interchange >> Pasir Ris Ave 8 >> Tampines Ave 9 >> Tampines Ave 6 >> Tampines Ave 5 (continues to current 67 route) >> Bencoolen St >> Middle Road (loop)
* Section of Serangoon Road b/w Little India/Balestier Road is duplicated
* Provides direct MRT connection from Ferrar Park MRT to HDBs along Towner/McNair road
* Connects Pasir Ris-Tampines Ave 5/6/9 to Bedok Reservoir Rd/Bedok and beyond with fastest connection
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Best split for 61
991: Bukit Batok Interchange <> Marina Center Terminal
current route >> Outram Park MRT >> China town >> Upper Pickering St / Cross St >> Fullerton Road >> Suntec City >> Marina Center
61: Eunos Interchange <> Shenton Way Terminal
current route >> South Bridge Road >> Maxwell Road >> Shenton Way Terminal. On return via Maxwell >> Kreta Ayer Road >> Eu Tong Sen >>
* small duplication at Chinatown as other services provide coverage
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if 147 gets shortened, there is still 100 and 107 which go to the north-east areas, so I dont think there is a need for a replacement service, unless 119 gets amended to serve Bidadari as well and that is great. Those shortenings of 61 & 67 explains so much...
#thankyou #nevermind
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Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:
None of the routes can be amended unless there is severe duplication. Even if split, there will have to be certain section that has to be duplicated.
Best split for 14
14: Bedok Interchange >> Tomlinson Road (loop)
149: Clementi Interchange >> Rochor Canal Road (loop)
* The section of Orchard/Dhoby Ghaut will be duplicated
Not sure whether the looping halves will continue to experience bunching though ... same goes for 67 and 68. 68 starting from Pasir Ris is a good idea.
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Originally posted by AJQZC:
Not sure whether the looping halves will continue to experience bunching though ... same goes for 67 and 68. 68 starting from Pasir Ris is a good idea.
I know but there is lack of terminals/interchanges in city area... and all those that are there are bursting.
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Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:
I know but there is lack of terminals/interchanges in city area... and all those that are there are bursting.
LTA should built a mega underground Interchange in the CBD area.
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Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:
I know but there is lack of terminals/interchanges in city area... and all those that are there are bursting.
How about extending 67 and 149 (east side) to St. Michaels / Toa Payoh? 149 on the west side can also be extended to BBDEP / Bt Batok Int to free up Clementi, as is oft discussed earlier.
Also, I feel that there can be a bus terminal along Bt Timah Rd (between Sixth Ave and Newton), or along Adam Rd / north Farrer Rd / east Holland Rd. This sector is plied by many buses, has abundant space and is far away from any nearby bus interchange / terminal.
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Originally posted by AJQZC:
Repost, for feedback.
Service 833: Sembawang - Yishun (loop)
- Sembawang Int
- Sembawang Dr
- Sembawang Ave
- Sembawang Rd
- Canberra Street
- Canberra Way
- Canberra Link
- Yishun Ave 2
- Yishun Ave 7
- Yishun Ave 6
- Yishun Ave 9
- Yishun Temp Int (stopover)
- Yishun Ctrl 2
- Yishun Ctrl (right turn)
- Yishun Ave 2
- Yishun Ctrl
- Yishun Ave 9
- (loop back to Sembawang)
833A can loop at Canberra MRT, then loop back via Canberra View --> Crescent --> Way.
A future route amendment of 169 to serve Canberra Walk and Canberra Crescent will be enough to take care of that side, with 117/833 covering the skipped sectors.
In this way all three MRT stations are served, and those living / working along Yishun Ave 7 and Ave 9 will have an alternative MRT link to Canberra and do not need to rely solely on 811. Sembawang Drive residents can also get easier access to Yishun and KTPH.
(Am using the number 833, just to facilitate a possible future scenario of the renumbering of 980/981/882 to 830/831/832. This is tentative, of course.)
I think it's better to loop around Yishun Central than Yishun Int , Yishun int is looking quite congested?
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Originally posted by AJQZC:
How about extending 67 and 149 (east side) to St. Michaels / Toa Payoh? 149 on the west side can also be extended to BBDEP / Bt Batok Int to free up Clementi, as is oft discussed earlier.
Also, I feel that there can be a bus terminal along Bt Timah Rd (between Sixth Ave and Newton), or along Adam Rd / north Farrer Rd / east Holland Rd. This sector is plied by many buses, has abundant space and is far away from any nearby bus interchange / terminal.
I'm wondering if ulu pandan depot is out, will BBDEP and ARBP still operate?
ARBP can be another place as terminal too.
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Originally posted by SBS9252G:
I'm wondering if ulu pandan depot is out, will BBDEP and ARBP still operate?
ARBP can be another place as terminal too.
Dunno about ARBP ... if services can terminate there directly, SBST would have routed them there a long time ago ...
Though we are still free to post suggestions, of course.
Extension of service 16: Bedok - ARBP
- Bedok Int
- (current route to Kim Seng Rd / Zion Rd)
- Ganges Ave
- Lower Delta Rd
- Tiong Bahru Rd
- Henderson Rd
- Jln Bt Merah (alternatively, may serve Depot Rd to reduce duplication with 14)
- Alexandra Rd
- AYE
- Portsdown Ave (non-stop)
- Ayer Rajah Crescent
- ARBP
Extension of service 36: Bt Merah - Changi Airport (loop)
- Bt Merah Int
- Henderson Rd
- Tiong Bahru Rd
- Zion Rd
- Hoot Kiam Rd
- Paterson Rd
- Orchard Boulevard
- Tomlinson Rd
- Tanglin Rd
- Orchard Rd
- (current route; loop at Changi Airport, and back)
- Orchard Boulevard
- Paterson Rd
- Irwell Bank Rd
- Kim Seng Rd
- Outram Rd
- Tiong Bahru Rd
- Henderson Rd
- Bt Merah Int
As a result, 16 now serves Ganges Ave and Lower Delta Rd instead of Outram Rd and Tiong Bahru MRT station. The original 16 route along this section is served by 36, which still retains a stop at Tomlinson Rd.
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think everyone here can go and apply for job at LTA...
there are a few openings...
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Originally posted by lemon1974:
think everyone here can go and apply for job at LTA...
there are a few openings...
Hi mr lemon1974, actually we should really congratulate those who apply for the positions in LTA and get the job and did the required proposed route suggestions/modifications/amendments such as the guy who tweaked the sbs 76 route. At least the guy takes the plunge and WALK THE TALK even though his amendment is not popular. However he is willing to take such a role as his job. Unlike all of us here who just merely suggests here and there and gets rebuttal and gets into a shooting war in the end. Cheers. Thanks.
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Originally posted by lemon1974:
think everyone here can go and apply for job at LTA...
there are a few openings...
I apply a few years ago but nobody got back to me.
