Route Suggestions (Part 6)
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990 is the shortest trunk route yet, at 8.7km.
- We can extend the route by up to 6.8km, say it has to remain in the "short trunk" category of 8.5km-15.5km.
- We can extend even more and further extend its coverage if we let it call at another bus interchange or terminal, instead of loop then return to Bukit Batok Bus Interchange.
49 is already 12.3km. Assuming there is a limit of 15.5km for "short trunk", we can extend it by up to 3.2km only.
- Unless, we let it call at two bus interchanges or terminal, then we can extend it by up around 7km.
41 even more restrictive. It is already 14.6km. We can only extend it by up to 0.9km. It is not likely that this route would be extended.
- Unless, we let 41 call at another bus interchange or terminal. This would "halve" the length in one direction to around 8km, allowing an extension of up to 7.5km.
Whereas for 183, it is already 22.4km. Assuming the limit for "long trunk" is 22.5km, we can only extend it by up to 0.1km.
- Unless, we let it call at another bus interchange or terminal. Then still can extend by around 3.5km.
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Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:
41 - I believe this one will get extended in future. Could be to Bukit Panjang via Dairy Farm, Chestnut
There are many bus services (together with DTL2) travelling between Bt Panjang and Beauty World already, 41 could well be utilized elsewhere. Instead, IMO 173 would be better off if re-routed to serve Chestnut and Bt Panjang and skipping Hillview/Bt Batok, with 176, 177 covering the lost sectors. 177 can be converted to full day service and extended to Yew Tee in the future.
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Boon Lay - Choa Chu Kang - Woodlands
Length: 20.5km (to Woodlands) | 20.4km (to Boon Lay)
let this be Trunk bus service. Distance-based fares!
Journey time: around 35 minutes
Direction 1: to Woodlands
- Boon Lay Bus Interchange
- Jurong West Central 3
- Jurong West Street 64
- Jurong West Avenue 4
- Jalan Bahar
- Pan-Island Expressway
- Kranji Expressway
- Choa Chu Kang Way
- Choa Chu Kang Avenue 4
- Choa Chu Kang Drive
- Kranji Expressway
- Bukit Timah Expressway
- Woodlands Avenue 3
- Woodlands Avenue 5
- Woodlands Avenue 2
- Woodlands Regional Bus Interchange
Direction 2: to Boon Lay
- Same route, in reverse direction.
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Service 502 - still no chance of extending it back to Sengkang Bus Interchange because Service 156 and 159 occupied the former Service 502's berth
Service 106 - May be extended to Hougang
Service 198 - May be extended to Ang Mo Kio
Service 111 - No chance of extending it back to Hougang Bus Interchange because Service 51 occupied the former Service 111's berth
Service 97 - May be extended to Hougang
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Originally posted by Path Light:
Service 502 - still no chance of extending it back to Sengkang Bus Interchange because Service 156 and 159 occupied the former Service 502's berth
Service 106 - May be extended to Hougang
Service 198 - May be extended to Ang Mo Kio
Service 111 - No chance of extending it back to Hougang Bus Interchange because Service 51 occupied the former Service 111's berth
Service 97 - May be extended to Hougang
106,198,97 is a no go, Please think and make constructive routes and not suggest routes just for the sake of increasing ur post
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Express Service 509
Joo Koon - Yishun
Trunk Service 256
Boon Lay - Jurong West Street 91/75
Trunk Service 150
Joo Koon - Jurong West Street 42 (Loop)
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Service 941G: current 941 route
Service 941W: reversed 941 route
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Originally posted by array88:
Service 941G: current 941 route
Service 941W: reversed 941 route
Actually, thinking about it, if we divert two services from 66, 157, 174 and 178 away from BB West Ave 3, with one serving St 11/West Ave 6 and another serving West Ave 8/6, we can pretty much eliminate the need for 941 already. Unfortunately it's not going to happen anytime soon.
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SBST Service 47: Eunos - Changi Airport (Loop)
- Eunos Rd 2
- Jln Ubi
- Changi Rd [return route Sims Ave]
- Geylang Rd
- Paya Lebar Rd
- Ubi Ave 2
- Ubi Rd 1
- Ubi Ave 1
- Ubi Ave 2
- Eunos Link
- Airport Rd (non-stop)
- KPE (express)
- TPE (express)
- Pasir Ris Dr 12
- Pasir Ris Dr 1
- Pasir Ris Dr 10
- Pasir Ris Dr 3
- Pasir Ris St 52
- Pasir Ris Grove
- Pasir Ris Dr 8 (non-stop)
- TPE (express)
- PIE (express)
- Airport Blvd
- Changi Airport T3/1/2
- (return loop)
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Well, regarding the Bedok service, if it's a Bedok North feeder, we can have this:
Feeder 227: Bedok - Upper Changi Rd (Loop)
Bedok Int
Bedok North Dr
Bedok North Ave 1
Chai Chee St
Chai Chee Dr
New Upp Changi Rd (Bedok MRT)
Bedok North Ave 3
Bedok North St 2
Bedok North Rd
New Upp Changi Rd (Tanah Merah MRT)
Bedok Rd
Upp Changi Rd (loop back at Anglican High School)
(follow same route back to Bedok Int)
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Express Service 503
Joo Koon > Hougang
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Boon Lay - Yio Chu Kang
- Length: 22.5 kilometers
- let this be Trunk bus service. Distance-based fares.
- Driving time: around 30 minutes
- Journey time (150% of Driving time): around 45 minutes
Direction 1: to Yio Chu Kang- Boon Lay Bus Interchange
- Jurong West Central 3
- Jurong West Central 2
- Boon Lay Way
- Jurong Town Hall Road
- Pan Island Expressway
- Adam Road
- Lornie Road
- Thomson Road
- Marymount Lane
- Marymount Road
- Ang Mo Kio Avenue 6
- Ang Mo Kio Avenue 5
- Ang Mo Kio Avenue 8
- Yio Chu Kang Bus Interchange
Direction 2: to Boon Lay- same route, in reverse direction.
Currently, to travel from Boon Lay to Yio Chu Kang, one has to take East West Line, Circle Line and North South Line. The Journey takes at least 49 minutes.
With this new trunk bus service, the same journey now takes around 45 minutes!
^^ apparently, there is already route 852. Perhaps what we can do is to re-route 852 to Jurong East.
Seriously. It's really a waste that Jurong East Bus Interchange does not have the capacity for at least thirty bus routes. Its location is so centralised that it could have been a regional bus interchange! :(
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Originally posted by Path Light:
Express Service 509
Joo Koon - Yishun
Trunk Service 256
Boon Lay - Jurong West Street 91/75
Trunk Service 150
Joo Koon - Jurong West Street 42 (Loop)
Due to the geographical separation between Jurong West and Yishun,
- the route from Yishun to Joo Koon is at least 27km.
- the route from Yishun to Boon Lay is at least 23.41km.
Actually, now that there are programs in online maps that generate shortest and fastest routes, there is no need for this routes suggestions thread.
Anyway, the good news is that it is possible to have a trunk bus route (of less than 22.5km) between Yishun and Jurong East. Close enough.
Here's what the directions service on www.onemap.sg generated:
Direction 1: to Yishun
- Jurong East Bus Interchange
- Jurong Gateway Road
- Jurong East Central
- Bukit Batok Avenue 1
- Bukit Batok Central
- Bukit Batok East Avenue 2
- Hillview Avenue
- Hillview Road
- Upper Bukit Timah Road
- Dairy Farm Road
- Bukit Timah Expressway
- Mandai Road
- Mandai Avenue
- Yishun Avenue 1
- Yishun Avenue 2
- Yishun Central 1
- Yishun Temporary Bus Interchange
Direction 2: to Jurong East
- same route, in reverse direction.
^^ the length is 21.33km (to Yishun) and 21.2km (to Jurong East).
Driving time is around 33 minutes in both directions.
Journey time is around 50 minutes in both directions.
^^ Nonetheless, I have to say that this duplicates existing bus route 171, except at Bukit Batok and Jurong East.
Anyway, now with Downtown Line opening, perhaps we can re-route 171 to Jurong East - skipping the entire stretch from Bukit Panjang to the city?
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Originally posted by jurongresident:
^^ Nonetheless, I have to say that this duplicates existing bus route 171, except at Bukit Batok and Jurong East.
Anyway, now with Downtown Line opening, perhaps we can re-route 171 to Jurong East - skipping the entire stretch from Bukit Panjang to the city?
Depends on which roads you use -- but there's alternative services present already.
- JE -- Hillview -- Bt Panjang served by 176.
- JE -- Bt Gombak -- CCK served by 188.
- JE -- Bt Batok served by 66, 176, 178, 506, 990.
- JE -- Beauty World served by 41, 52, 66.
Unless you use express for the last leg, of course. I'll still prefer to route 171 to Bt Batok, given that the interchange still has space (Bt Panjang ITH is still u/c, while CCK is jam-packed), and the route would be shorter (should be under 22.5km).
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Originally posted by AJQZC:
Depends on which roads you use -- but there's alternative services present already.
- JE -- Hillview -- Bt Panjang served by 176.
- JE -- Bt Gombak -- CCK served by 188.
- JE -- Bt Batok served by 66, 176, 178, 506, 990.
- JE -- Beauty World served by 41, 52, 66.
Unless you use express for the last leg, of course. I'll still prefer to route 171 to Bt Batok, given that the interchange still has space (Bt Panjang ITH is still u/c, while CCK is jam-packed), and the route would be shorter (should be under 22.5km).
P. S. Your route above is frankly just 171 + 176. Is it necessary to create a brand new service just for that?
Well, it does duplicate 176 between Upper Bukit Timah Road and Jurong East Central.
Well, I'm just saying that perhaps the new route suggestion earlier can be a re-route of 171 when DTL opens - for a direct bus connection between Jurong East and Yishun!
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Originally posted by jurongresident:
Due to the geographical separation between Jurong West and Yishun,
- the route from Yishun to Joo Koon is at least 27km.
- the route from Yishun to Boon Lay is at least 23.41km.
Actually, now that there are programs in online maps that generate shortest and fastest routes, there is no need for this routes suggestions thread.
Anyway, the good news is that it is possible to have a trunk bus route (of less than 22.5km) between Yishun and Jurong East. Close enough.
Here's what the directions service on www.onemap.sg generated:
Direction 1: to Yishun
- Jurong East Bus Interchange
- Jurong Gateway Road
- Jurong East Central
- Bukit Batok Avenue 1
- Bukit Batok Central
- Bukit Batok East Avenue 2
- Hillview Avenue
- Hillview Road
- Upper Bukit Timah Road
- Dairy Farm Road
- Bukit Timah Expressway
- Mandai Road
- Mandai Avenue
- Yishun Avenue 1
- Yishun Avenue 2
- Yishun Central 1
- Yishun Temporary Bus Interchange
Direction 2: to Jurong East
- same route, in reverse direction.
^^ the length is 21.33km (to Yishun) and 21.2km (to Jurong East).
Driving time is around 33 minutes in both directions.
Journey time is around 50 minutes in both directions.
^^ Nonetheless, I have to say that this duplicates existing bus route 171, except at Bukit Batok and Jurong East.
Anyway, now with Downtown Line opening, perhaps we can re-route 171 to Jurong East - skipping the entire stretch from Bukit Panjang to the city?
With the introduction of Express Service 509, the berth is not confirmed.
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Originally posted by Path Light:
With the introduction of Express Service 509, the berth is not confirmed.
There is no such route. It hasn't been introduced, and I doubt it will be in the near future. Don't spread around your fantasies as if they're truth.
And why bother thinking about an issue as trivial as the "berth", when you have so many other factors to consider for a route suggestion? The size and bus capacity of the interchange, the exact routing, and traffic flow, just to name some.
Cheers.
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Originally posted by jurongresident:
Due to the geographical separation between Jurong West and Yishun,
- the route from Yishun to Joo Koon is at least 27km.
- the route from Yishun to Boon Lay is at least 23.41km.
Actually, now that there are programs in online maps that generate shortest and fastest routes, there is no need for this routes suggestions thread.
Anyway, the good news is that it is possible to have a trunk bus route (of less than 22.5km) between Yishun and Jurong East. Close enough.
Here's what the directions service on www.onemap.sg generated:
Direction 1: to Yishun
- Jurong East Bus Interchange
- Jurong Gateway Road
- Jurong East Central
- Bukit Batok Avenue 1
- Bukit Batok Central
- Bukit Batok East Avenue 2
- Hillview Avenue
- Hillview Road
- Upper Bukit Timah Road
- Dairy Farm Road
- Bukit Timah Expressway
- Mandai Road
- Mandai Avenue
- Yishun Avenue 1
- Yishun Avenue 2
- Yishun Central 1
- Yishun Temporary Bus Interchange
Direction 2: to Jurong East
- same route, in reverse direction.
^^ the length is 21.33km (to Yishun) and 21.2km (to Jurong East).
Driving time is around 33 minutes in both directions.
Journey time is around 50 minutes in both directions.
^^ Nonetheless, I have to say that this duplicates existing bus route 171, except at Bukit Batok and Jurong East.
Anyway, now with Downtown Line opening, perhaps we can re-route 171 to Jurong East - skipping the entire stretch from Bukit Panjang to the city?
That new service would be Trunk Service 968
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For my defination short trunk is between 4.5-8.5 km in one direction,9-14.5 km for medium haul and above 15 km in one direction for long haul.
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Originally posted by Path Light:
That new service would be Trunk Service 968
Read my reply again. I acknowledged it duplicates route 171 and suggested that it instead be a reroute of 171 when the Downtown MRT Line opens.
Anyway, what's the point of having this bus route I suggested when there's already the direct MRT (Jurong East to Yishun) and it takes only around thirty five minutes?
I estimate that the traveling time on the bus route I suggested would take around fifty minutes.
Unless, you can think of another bus route that can provide that connection between Jurong and Yishun in less than thirty minutes.
I think only an express bus service which calls at only Jurong East and Yishun bus interchanges (and perhaps a few bus stops) can provide such speed.
Anything faster, take taxi. Or ownself drive car.
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Originally posted by carbikebus:
For my defination short trunk is between 4.5-8.5 km in one direction,9-14.5 km for medium haul and above 15 km in one direction for long haul.
Tell me a trunk route that is less than 8.5km in one direction.
Besides 181.
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Originally posted by jurongresident:
Hi, I would like to clarify that the values I write are in one direction.
I think the range is 7km, where
Feeder: 1.5km to 8.5km
Trunk: 8.5km to 15.5km
Long Trunk: 15.5km to 22.5km
Express: 22.5km to 29.5km
Actually, it makes sense. The longest BSEP express bus route 951 is 29.5km in one direction. The shortest BSEP trunk route 49 is 8.7km in one direction. The longest BSEP feeder route 804 is 8.0km in one direction.
I think the definitions are clear now.
With that, I look forward to better suggestions of bus routes. Whether new or existing, please ensure that the length of one direction is within the range. The only flexibility is that "Trunk" can become "Long Trunk", that's all.
Feeder one direction minimum 1.5km, maximum 8.5km
Trunk one direction minimum 8.5km, maximum 22.5km
Express one direction minimum 22.5km, maximum 29.5km
There are many websites that enable us to measure length. For example, onemap.sg tools, "Google My Maps" create path, etcetera.
Let us make it a practice that when we suggest bus routes, we indicate the length in one direction.
If it is an amendment to an existing route, indicate the final length in one direction.
I would like to make some changes:
Long Trunk Service: Anything above 22.5km
Express: Regardless of length, but requires at least 40% of express sectors
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Well, I am no bus route planner. The ranges of length of bus service types are based on my observations on the new routes launched under the BSEP since September 2012.
I guess the most important factor is the duration of the journey.
Ideally, the travel time on the new trunk buses should be less than or equal to the travel time on the routes currently available, otherwise people would only take it because there are seats (and sometimes because it is cheaper).
Nowadays, the online maps directions service have estimated travel times. Sometimes, the same route has different travel times across different online maps (eg. OneMap versus Google Maps). We can find the average of the travel times to get an idea of exactly how long would the travel time be.
Whereas for the journey time, I do not know how SBS, TIBS or CSS derive that. I guess is a certain percentage (eg. 150%) of the travel time.
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SBST Service 164
Punggol Temp Interchange - Sembawang Interchange
Punggol Place
Punggol Field
Punggol Way
Sengkang East Rd
Buangkok Green
Yio Chu Kang Rd
Upper Thomson Rd
Sembawang Rd
Yishun Ave 7
Canberra Link
Canberra Rd
Sembawang Vista -
Service 974
Punggol > Jurong East
Townlink Service 227
Bedok > Chai Chee Road/ Bedok South Avenue 1