Bus Terminal, Interchanges & Depots
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Originally posted by SBS9252G:
20 parking lots.
27 can fit in 13 services (Clementi)
isn't 20 gotta be like 9-10 services? (Assuming 1 svc takes 2 lots)
S/N 4 states expected number of services are 12 services.
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Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:
Bus services originating at BPJ Interchange
75, 176, 184, 920, 922, 970, 973, 975, 979/M (09 services)
Bus services originating at BPJ Bus Park
700 (if it still exists), 972 (02 services)
* Reason is lot of people board 972 at bus stop along BPJ Road who transfer from 960 (Woodlands Road), 176/963/970 (Hillview), 190 (CCK). If 972 starts from BPJ Interchange, this connection will be lost + 972 itself will need many parking lots that BPJ Interchange will not be able to accommodate.
Bus services looping at Jelubu
171 (assuming it is cut short), 177, 180, 983
If more space are needed, would suggest 970 and/or 75 to originate from the bus park too. Then 171 (if modified) would not have an excuse not to terminate at BPJ.
180 can stopover at BPJ ITH as its looping point. 180 and 983 should also stop outside BPJ MRT station exit.
972's arrangement seems alright, some problems would be the loss of direct access to/from Hillion (though provided by 922), and also BPJ ITH not having a service for direct access to Orchard area. MRT access would be preserved when exit C opens.
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Originally posted by AJQZC:
If more space are needed, would suggest 970 and/or 75 to originate from the bus park too. Then 171 (if modified) would not have an excuse not to terminate at BPJ.
180 can stopover at BPJ ITH as its looping point. 180 and 983 should also stop outside BPJ MRT station exit.
972's arrangement seems alright, some problems would be the loss of direct access to/from Hillion (though provided by 922), and also BPJ ITH not having a service for direct access to Orchard area. MRT access would be preserved when exit C opens.
Hi mr AJQZC, it will be interesting to see if they will implement to have 2 starting places when the ITH is completed. It will also be the very first time if they really do it. Ideally all buses must go into Bukit panjang ITH except for those looping services. As mr TIB987K pointed out, it should hold 12 bus services and the rest will need to loop around. I will not suggest buses to start from and end at bus park once the ITH has begun revenue service. Cheers. Thanks.
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Originally posted by TIB987K:
S/N 4 states expected number of services are 12 services.
All other svc except 75,972 & 975 need 3 lots,how to survive 12 svc with 20 lots only?
I forsee 180 will loop instead of terminate at BPJ.972 should have T2 at Marina Ctr.
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Originally posted by carbikebus:
All other svc except 75,972 & 975 need 3 lots,how to survive 12 svc with 20 lots only?
I forsee 180 will loop instead of terminate at BPJ.972 should have T2 at Marina Ctr.
Hi mr carbikebus, yes 12 services difficult to fit into 20 slots for Bukit panjang ITH. I am waiting to see how it is going to be done.
In comparison, Punggol used to have 39 lots for 15 bus services before expansion. Soon after everything is completed, it will have 55++ with 21 new lots plus some removal due to construction of boarding and alighting bay and minor amendment of old interchange. Cheers. Thanks.
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Originally posted by dupdup77:
Hi mr carbikebus, yes 12 services difficult to fit into 20 slots for Bukit panjang ITH. I am waiting to see how it is going to be done.
In comparison, Punggol used to have 39 lots for 15 bus services before expansion. Soon after everything is completed, it will have 55++ with 21 new lots plus some removal due to construction of boarding and alighting bay and minor amendment of old interchange. Cheers. Thanks.
Very cheem nowadays...
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Even CCK is struggling. Does anyone done the math of how many parking lots and services?
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Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:
Even CCK is struggling. Does anyone done the math of how many parking lots and services?
LTA scholars mahh
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Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:
Even CCK is struggling. Does anyone done the math of how many parking lots and services?
30 lots?
16 svcs
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More than that,But how many buses added these few years for CCK?
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Originally posted by carbikebus:
More than that,But how many buses added these few years for CCK?
chaos chu kang. (choa chu kang)
bus parking anyhow.
a case of too many rigids when a single DD can replace 2 rigids
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Saw notice at hillion mall showing "access to bus interchange coming soon 2nd half 2017"..
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Originally posted by carbikebus:
That's why in future there is Gali Batu Bus Terminal and depot.
got bus depot meh?
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Originally posted by SMB3163D:
Saw notice at hillion mall showing "access to bus interchange coming soon 2nd half 2017"..
Hi mr SMB3163D, this is definitely true. They already answered a guy when he asked in their facebook page. Cheers. Thanks.
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Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:
Bus services originating at BPJ Interchange
75, 176, 184, 920, 922, 970, 973, 975, 979/M (09 services)
Bus services originating at BPJ Bus Park
700 (if it still exists), 972 (02 services)
* Reason is lot of people board 972 at bus stop along BPJ Road who transfer from 960 (Woodlands Road), 176/963/970 (Hillview), 190 (CCK). If 972 starts from BPJ Interchange, this connection will be lost + 972 itself will need many parking lots that BPJ Interchange will not be able to accommodate.
Bus services looping at Jelubu
171 (assuming it is cut short), 177, 180, 983
Your first reasoning as to why 972 would originate from the bus park doesn't makes much sense for reasons I would give below.
I was initially confused as to which bus stop along Bukit Panjang Road you are referring to until I viewed it in context; it's the one at opposite Block 183. True enough, making 972 starts from the ITH would cause that bus stop to be skipped because it's the same as how 920 and 922 goes before it was closed. However, with regards to some of the services you mentioned that they transferred from (leaving aside 176 and 970 since they plied from Hillview in the same manner as 963), in some cases I have highlighted below, they could have simply transferred from the bus stop at Block 270 along the same road instead if 972 is amended to the ITH.
I was dumbfounded as to why there can be foolish passengers (I could not think of a better word than 'foolish') who chose to transfer from the three bus services at the Opp Block 183 bus stop and go around loops within the estates served by the LRT before reaching destinations beyond Block 270, which is far much longer than the route taken by 190 or 960/963 between the two bus stops along Bukit Panjang Road. Of course, some of them could have been the residents served by the LRT (for CCK people, they could have stayed on 190 if they are going to Orchard); it may be based on your data and I do not have the benefit of reading them so I wouldn't comment on its accuracy, but from a practical perspective, the reasoning sounds strange to me.
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Originally posted by carbikebus:
LTA scholars mahh
LTA scholars as attached to reality as much as Pluto is attached to the Sun. Even their foresight could not have taken into account the significant increase in the number of buses on the roads now with BSEP and GCM, so they didn't plan the interchange to have lots. But its not like they can have more lots, the interchange size is physically restricted by what is on top of it.
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Originally posted by TIB868X:
LTA scholars as attached to reality as much as Pluto is attached to the Sun. Even their foresight could not have taken into account the significant increase in the number of buses on the roads now with BSEP and GCM, so they didn't plan the interchange to have lots. But its not like they can have more lots, the interchange size is physically restricted by what is on top of it.
Hi mr TIB868X, yes ITH bus interchanges are physically restricted by the mall size, Sengkang, serangoon and the new Bukit panjang int are the 3 best examples. Cheers. Thanks.
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Originally posted by TIB868X:
LTA scholars as attached to reality as much as Pluto is attached to the Sun. Even their foresight could not have taken into account the significant increase in the number of buses on the roads now with BSEP and GCM, so they didn't plan the interchange to have lots. But its not like they can have more lots, the interchange size is physically restricted by what is on top of it.
Years of planning and delay yet come out this best answer?Like how water price increase to create awareness?Great just great...No wonder high pay��
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Originally posted by dupdup77:
Hi mr TIB868X, yes ITH bus interchanges are physically restricted by the mall size, Sengkang, serangoon and the new Bukit panjang int are the 3 best examples. Cheers. Thanks.
For Sengkang, the initial terminal did not have many service as compared to the time when the air-conditioned interchange opened (at the time of the opening, there are 13 services including Express 501 and 502 there)...I do not think it can be compared as much as Serangoon and Bukit Panjang when some of the existing services cannot even terminate there.
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This was to be expected when you target 6.9m population
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Or at worse follow like Woodlands Reg Int style,Underground..
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Originally posted by carbikebus:
This was to be expected when you target 6.9m population
Too bad they only anticipated it in 2013. For Serangoon wise it could not have been constructed with reasonable diligence and expectation, but Bukit Panjang...
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Originally posted by Gus.chong:
For Sengkang, the initial terminal did not have many service as compared to the time when the air-conditioned interchange opened (at the time of the opening, there are 13 services including Express 501 and 502 there)...I do not think it can be compared as much as Serangoon and Bukit Panjang when some of the existing services cannot even terminate there.
Hi mr Gus.chong, okay good point for the Sengkang one which realistically cannot be compared.
For serangoon, I feel aggreived by it slightly. Service 81 and 82 were chosen to loop around serangoon. And because of 82 changing its resting place from serangoon to Punggol, end up another new service 84 was introduced for the Punggol road end sector. Literally 1 service is changed to 2 services just because serangoon int parking lots are limited. Cheers. Thanks.
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Originally posted by Gus.chong:
Too bad they only anticipated it in 2013. For Serangoon wise it could not have been constructed with reasonable diligence and expectation, but Bukit Panjang...
Unless they got plan to relocate Sgn to open space but still near to Nex and MRT.
With 4 boarding berth,2 alighting berth and 20 parking lots,Just nice for 81 & 82 to terminate at SGN.
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The land beside Redhill MRT is good for underground ITH to replace Bukit Merah Int.
5 boarding berth plus 1 rail bridging berth, 3 alighting berth with 30 parking lots.
B1:5,132,198
B2:16,139,272
B3:57,153,273
B4:123,167,851
B5:131,131M,176