Originally posted by array88:Sorry that I didn't follow the news lately... But how can CGL be withdrawn when there are already plans to modify Tanah Merah MRT to make it just like Jurong East? Not to forget that neither TEL and CRL are likely to serve T1/2/3 which CGL does.
TEL proposed to extend past T5 into CGL.
T5 - T1/2/3 - TM
Originally posted by SMB128B:TEL proposed to extend past T5 into CGL.
T5 - T1/2/3 - TM
Originally posted by Sbs6750E:
So from Sungei Bedok go one big round to Tanah Merah? Unlikely so.
TEL was already planned to be extended to T5 years ago...
Originally posted by array88:Sorry that I didn't follow the news lately... But how can CGL be withdrawn when there are already plans to modify Tanah Merah MRT to make it just like Jurong East? Not to forget that neither TEL and CRL are likely to serve T1/2/3 which CGL does.
It appears to me that the person who wrote this article was an aviation correspondent sharing his opinion, who might not have much knowledge or experience with public transport in Singapore...While his words said "it is likely that the existing MRT link between Singapore Expo and Changi Airport will cease to operate", if it indeed comes true, it might have meant that the two CGL stations could be demolished as a result due to non-usage, which I don't think is a desirable or logical outcome. Furthermore, Terminal 4 is just completed and would be opening later this year, there was simply no reason to remove the MRT link from Tanah Merah to Expo and Changi Airport.
However, if this is interpreted in the words of CZT, which is that 'the EWL shuttle will discontinue' (but instead, the direct service from Tuas Link to Changi Airport would be re-introduced, given that it also mentioned then need for direct link from the airport to the city), then I would have perhaps accepted this explanation. I should add that Tanah Merah modification project will only be completed in 2024, and I'm looking forward to see the changes.
Originally posted by Sbs6750E:
So from Sungei Bedok go one big round to Tanah Merah? Unlikely so.
It was reported as such.. Anyways what's wrong with going that big round? In that case esplain the routing of DTL with its round in the middle. So long as it allows for catchment along the way a detour isnt a problem. This would allow the line to directly connect both the entire TEL to T1/2/3 and Expo, and EWL commuters to T5.
Originally posted by SMB128B:It was reported as such.. Anyways what's wrong with going that big round? In that case esplain the routing of DTL with its round in the middle. So long as it allows for catchment along the way a detour isnt a problem. This would allow the line to directly connect both the entire TEL to T1/2/3 and Expo, and EWL commuters to T5.
TEL will be going to Changi Airport T5, Changi Airport T1,2,3 and continue through the North Coast Line to Woodlands North.
CGL will continue to operate as per normal from Changi Airport T1,2,3 to Tanah Merah with added frequency, there will still be train captains.
Originally posted by Gus.chong:It appears to me that the person who wrote this article was an aviation correspondent sharing his opinion, who might not have much knowledge or experience with public transport in Singapore...While his words said "it is likely that the existing MRT link between Singapore Expo and Changi Airport will cease to operate", if it indeed comes true, it might have meant that the two CGL stations could be demolished as a result due to non-usage, which I don't think is a desirable or logical outcome. Furthermore, Terminal 4 is just completed and would be opening later this year, there was simply no reason to remove the MRT link from Tanah Merah to Expo and Changi Airport.
However, if this is interpreted in the words of CZT, which is that 'the EWL shuttle will discontinue' (but instead, the direct service from Tuas Link to Changi Airport would be re-introduced, given that it also mentioned then need for direct link from the airport to the city), then I would have perhaps accepted this explanation. I should add that Tanah Merah modification project will only be completed in 2024, and I'm looking forward to see the changes.
Haha my bad that i changed the meaning of that article. Will change it! Thanks for pointing that out.
And i agree to what many said. The expansion of Tanah Merah station is under planning (or under construction alr? I dont see any works going on leh), if they were to remove the current CGA station, then that expansion is kinda useless.
And yes, the route for the train is pretty confusing for now. As what Gus.chong said, it is written by "an aviation correspondent", so we shldnt take his opinion to heart.
In fact, under the comments section of Straits Times fb page, a lot of ppl are also "screaming and cursing" why the SG govt is still doing nth abt direct airport – city train service when other countries/cities have done so (Eg. Malaysia KLIA, Taiwan Taoyuan etc.) IMO it is not really feasible for an express straight to the city, but if no transfer to city then maybe can, smth like staggering 2 pasir ris bound trains with 1 CGA train or smth.
Also, shld we continue here? Haha i scared got ppl complain its not "Bus Terminal, Interchanges and Depot" related
Last time got direct train service to airport frm city but very unfeasible so they stop doing this
The expansion is planned already, but they would only start building it later and complete by 2024 just to somehow celebrate some kind of milestone
You want write here or anywhere else I anything
Originally posted by CZT:Also, shld we continue here? Haha i scared got ppl complain its not "Bus Terminal, Interchanges and Depot" related
Only that siao kia will be damn ass uptight bout these things.. Discussions should not be limited by where they are
Originally posted by CZT:And i agree to what many said. The expansion of Tanah Merah station is under planning (or under construction alr? I dont see any works going on leh), if they were to remove the current CGA station, then that expansion is kinda useless.
And yes, the route for the train is pretty confusing for now. As what Gus.chong said, it is written by "an aviation correspondent", so we shldnt take his opinion to heart.
In fact, under the comments section of Straits Times fb page, a lot of ppl are also "screaming and cursing" why the SG govt is still doing nth abt direct airport – city train service when other countries/cities have done so (Eg. Malaysia KLIA, Taiwan Taoyuan etc.) IMO it is not really feasible for an express straight to the city, but if no transfer to city then maybe can, smth like staggering 2 pasir ris bound trains with 1 CGA train or smth.
Yea so this is exactly where TEL will shine since it has direct svc to city area AND all trains can terminate there.. Direct svc is difficult for EWL since got spur line to PSR and diverting trains to CGA will only reduce freq for PSR end.. This is prob why the CGA direct trains were never resumed after they were suspended
Originally posted by SMB128B:Yea so this is exactly where TEL will shine since it has direct svc to city area AND all trains can terminate there.. Direct svc is difficult for EWL since got spur line to PSR and diverting trains to CGA will only reduce freq for PSR end.. This is prob why the CGA direct trains were never resumed after they were suspended
Actually, the Boon Lay - Changi Airport direct train service had been resumed when more than half of the C751B fleet had been repaired and put back onto service on 16 May 2002. It was only in July 2003 when SMRT convert it back to the shuttle service from Tanah Merah to Changi Airport, aside from the reason which you mentioned; it is also meant for ease of passengers who wanted to travel towards Changi Airport from the 3 eastbound stations before Tanah Merah. However, it seems that once DTL3 opens later this year, the passenger flow might be different.
Only now i know that Bulim Depot capacity is 550,No wonder look a bit spacious compared to Loyang 500.
I got a feeling there will be a small terminal at Airport Rd in future..Just nice for Svc 90 & 94.
Originally posted by gekpohboy:Actually, for TEL, I was wondering, why not build an underground line parallel to the EWL branch line and replace the branch line altogether? Save the trouble of reconfiguring platform screen doors and modifying signalling systems.
As I mentioned, the effective consequence of the branch line being replaced was that the station structures along the branch line will have to be demolished as a result of non-usage. It is not a practical or desirable outcome in my view.
With regards to the Jurong East Bus Interchange, it's probably absorbed into the MRT Jurong Region Line project, and would be built together with the Jurong Region Line station at Jurong East MRT Station.
The Jurong Region Line stations and alignments should be announced around September this year.
The new Jurong East Bus Interchange should be ready by 2030.
Originally posted by gekpohboy:The branch line would be around 27 years old by the time it is connected to TEL, if it is connected to the TEL. By then, the infrastructure would probably have depreciated by around 25-50%. And considering the usage, by year 2029, the initial costs would probably be recovered already. So, why not replace it, since anyway EWL and TEL run on different systems and configurations?
What has depreciation got to do with this? It's not as if tracks or other assets such as tracks, trains and systems are going to be sold. They will need to be replaced (like trains and signalling system). Train tracks, viaducts and associated infrastructure are meant to last at least 50 years and replacing it with a new line would prove very costly, especially with the new platform at Tanah Merah becoming a white elephant.
Originally posted by gekpohboy:Actually, for TEL, I was wondering, why not build an underground line parallel to the EWL branch line and replace the branch line altogether? Save the trouble of reconfiguring platform screen doors and modifying signalling systems. (The new line can interchange at another station instead of Tanah Merah)
Tunnel boaring not money? Need for heavy machinery and infra not money? Road works, labour, field studies, need for reconfiguration of existing pipelines, structural testing, compensation due to possible demolitions of existing property, not to mention abandoning current development works already underway for CGL, all not money?
I can assure you the final bill is gonna be at least double digit times the amount required to retrofit existing infra. You so rich, you pay for it la.
Originally posted by gekpohboy:The branch line would be around 27 years old by the time it is connected to TEL, if it is connected to the TEL. By then, the infrastructure would probably have depreciated by around 25-50%. And considering the usage, by year 2029, the initial costs would probably be recovered already. So, why not replace it, since anyway EWL and TEL run on different systems and configurations?
Railway lines and stations in Japan have existed for over a century, yet they are still alive and kicking.
Shinjuku station is over 130 years old, yet is still the busiest station in the world.
By your logic we must scrap the whole commuter network in Japan and build new underground ones then?
Singapore's MRT is still spanking new compared to that of many other developed cities. So why the need to be so wasteful?
I guess I do not need to reply now that someone had done it on my behalf towards what I feel as being speechless.
In the new MRT system map, there is no bus interchange icon next to Tuas Link station (EW33). This could mean that boarding and alighting is not allowed at the new Tuas Bus Terminal.