GCM New/Transferred Buses
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SBS6500K on 43M with red livery.
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SMB3122Y also had red coloured livery...
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Originally posted by SBS351M:
That truck slogan is pasted to show pride as truckies. It is not a professional sign, and thus should not be replicated for buses.
To replicate it for buses would be stating the most obvious. Imagine if our entire train system malfunctioned. We'd be left with only buses. Not many Singapore residents can afford their own transport, so they must rely on public transit. Otherwise, they'd be so stranded.
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Originally posted by iveco:
To replicate it for buses would be stating the most obvious. Imagine if our entire train system malfunctioned. We'd be left with only buses. Not many Singapore residents can afford their own transport, so they must rely on public transit. Otherwise, they'd be so stranded.
I know many passengers are what the transport industry calls "captive audiences" and should not be taken seriously, but I doubt LTA wants to rub salt into their wounds.
The last thing they want is for the motto to become the butt of jokes on SGAG or other social media.
At least LTA isn't replicating SMRT's 2 + 2 mottos as other statutory boards have.
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according to a instagram user, SMB3090E has the green livery
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2 buses from each of these services 43(M), 139(M), 141, 50, 20, 143, 858, 972, 966, 188 have the new livery....
any one think after the voting, LTA will decide that both colours will be used?
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Originally posted by lemon1974:
2 buses from each of these services 43(M), 139(M), 141, 50, 20, 143, 858, 972, 966, 188 have the new livery....
any one think after the voting, LTA will decide that both colours will be used?
I doubt they would spend extra painting buses in different colours. Maybe if there is a 50-50% vote but what are the chances.
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I think SD will get one colour and DD will get the other.
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Seems like the SG Bus livery is not featuring the operator logo. I wonder if the final one will.
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i hope hav mix of both color.
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Okay. This is revolutionary. I studied the vehicle license plates with the "SG" index mark and I found the method to find the suffix alphabet.
In the vehicle license plate,
- SG = index mark.
- The four digits = registration number.
- For easier calculation, the second, third and fourth digits are referred here as "code".
There are 19 alphabets used for the suffix alphabet:
G, D, B, Z, X, T, R, M, K, H, E, C, A, Y, U, S, P, L, J, G, D, B, Z, X, T, R, M, K, H, E, C, A, Y, U, S, P, L, J.
The cycle of the suffix alphabets repeats after every set of 18 registration numbers.
The range of registration numbers in a set is 17.
After fourth digit reaches nine, use the second suffix alphabet after that as the fourth digit recycles to zero.
(Use the second digit to determine how many suffix alphabets are skipped.)
Steps to obtain the suffix alphabet for license plates with the "SG" index mark:
(Already tried, tested, revised and checked many times. This is accurate, if not almost accurate.)
First, find the first suffix alphabet that corresponds with the first digit.
- (The first suffix alphabet is the suffix alphabet assigned to the very first registration number with the first digit. For example, "1000" is the very first registration number with "1" as the first digit.)
- confirm:
- if first digit is 1, the first suffix alphabet is G.
- if first digit is 5, the first suffix alphabet is E.
- guess:
- if first digit is 2, the first suffix alphabet is X.
- if first digit is 3, the first suffix alphabet is T.
- if first digit is 4, the first suffix alphabet is R.
- if first digit is 6, the first suffix alphabet is U.
- if first digit is 7, the first suffix alphabet is S.
Second, divide the code (second, third and fourth digits) by 17 and round up to nearest whole number (if not exact). Multiply whole number with 17 and subtract it with the code (second, third and fourth digits) and add 1.
Third, subtract 19 with the value obtained in the second step.
Fourth, use the value obtained in the third step to count for the suffix alphabet, starting from (if first digit is "1") / after (if first digit is "5") the first suffix alphabet found in the first step.
Example 1:
The registration number is 5016.
The code is 016, or simply 16.
"5" means first suffix alphabet is E.
16 / 17 ≈ 1
1 x 17 = 17
17 - 16 + 1 = 2
19 - 2 = 17
17th suffix alphabet after E is "K".
:. The vehicle license plate is SG5016K.
Example 2:
The registration number is 1083.
The code is 083, or simply 83.
"1" means first suffix alphabet is G.
83 / 17 ≈ 5
5 x 17 = 85
85 - 83 + 1 = 3
19 - 3 = 16
16th suffix alphabet from G is "S".
:. The vehicle license plate is SG1083S.
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Originally posted by lemon1974:
2 buses from each of these services 43(M), 139(M), 141, 50, 20, 143, 858, 972, 966, 188 have the new livery....
any one think after the voting, LTA will decide that both colours will be used?
I wonder what buses on 188 will get it... today spotted both SMB3601G and SMB3611C still with SMRT livery...
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Ingenious finding, but counter-intuitive, I'm afraid. It would be difficult to remember for every case which quotient to divide, which letters to skip, etc.
I'm pretty sure the general checksum formula for bus plates is known by most (if not all) bus enthusiasts, and it's already listed on Wikipedia.
I have posted an easier guide at Miscellaneous topics thread. If you're interested, you can go over and look at it.
Ok. Enough ranting and off-topic.
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Originally posted by AJQZC:
Ingenious finding, but counter-intuitive, I'm afraid. It would be difficult to remember for every case which quotient to divide, which alphabets to skip, etc.
I'm pretty sure the general checksum formula for bus plates is known by most (if not all) bus enthusiasts, and it's already listed on Wikipedia.
I have posted an easier guide at Miscellaneous topics thread. If you're interested, you can go over and look at it.
Ok. Enough ranting and off-topic.
Hi AJQZC, thank you for your response to the method I found to derive the suffix alphabet for license plates with the "SG" index mark.
There were some redundant words which makes the instruction less clear. There was something (the rounding part) written wrongly. I have made some changes and amendments to it. Please un-quote that post, to avoid confusion. Thanks.
Thank you for your opinion.
Well, I feel that my method is the easiest way to find the suffix alphabet for license plates with the "SG" index mark. Each has his/her freedom of speech.
Relax bro.
I am sorry if the original post was confusing. I have tried, tested, revised and checked the method again many times and have refined the post. It should be clear now.
Based on my method, I have forecast four vehicle license plates that may be registered in the near future:
- SG5050K (may be registered by 6 February 2016)
- SG5088U (may be registered by 5 March 2016)
- SG1035D (may be registered by May 2016. likely in bulim package)
- SG1111H (may be not so soon. around 2017. likely in loyang package)
Note: These are only forecasts; the actual suffix alphabets may be different.
If all four license plates come out, this means that my method is accurate.
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Originally posted by jurongresident:
Hi AJQZC, thank you for your response to the "checksum" method I found for SG- prefix registration numbers.
There was some redundant words which makes the instruction less clear. There was something (the rounding part) written wrongly. Why you quote my post? I have made some changes and amendments to it. Please un-quote that post, to avoid confusion. Thanks.
Thank you for your opinion.
Well, I feel that my method is the easiest way to find the "checksum" for SG-prefix registration numbers. Each has his/her freedom of speech.
Relax bro.
I am sorry if the original post was confusing. I have tried, tested, revised and checked the method again many times and have refined the post. It should be clear now.
Okay. Lol.
By the way, checking against the formula, I believe some of your guesses for the other starting digits are wrong. I calculated A, T, L, E, Z, S for SG plates 2000, 3000, 4000, 5000, 6000 and 7000 respectively.
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Actually, the correct term should be "suffix alphabet", or "letter of the alphabet suffixed to the registration number and index mark."
According to http://www.onemotoring.com.sg/, "The vehicle licence plate shall consist of the index mark and the registration number assigned to the motor vehicle. The index mark and the registration number shall be suffixed with a letter of the alphabet, which serves as the official reference."
[Index mark] [Registration number] [Suffix alphabet]
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Originally posted by jurongresident:
Hi AJQZC, thank you for your response to the method I found to derive the suffix alphabet for license plates with the "SG" index mark.
There were some redundant words which makes the instruction less clear. There was something (the rounding part) written wrongly. I have made some changes and amendments to it. Please un-quote that post, to avoid confusion. Thanks.
Thank you for your opinion.
Well, I feel that my method is the easiest way to find the suffix alphabet for license plates with the "SG" index mark. Each has his/her freedom of speech.
Relax bro.
I am sorry if the original post was confusing. I have tried, tested, revised and checked the method again many times and have refined the post. It should be clear now.
Based on my method, I have forecast two vehicle license plates that may be registered in the near future:
- SG5050K (may be registered on 2 February 2016)
- SG1111H (may be not so soon. around 2017. likely in loyang package)
Note: These are only forecasts; the actual suffix alphabets may be different.
If these numbers come out, this means that my method is accurate.
SG1111U
With the help of http://xeroy.net/tooxsg/#carplate.
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Please lah, spend so much time calculating, my friend already has a list at here. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1HbXLxoLyim3jvqRZWgoKn5ES6GEUx3Ipp1dVduLE8sk/edit?usp=docslist_api
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Let me explain how my method works.
I mentioned that there are 19 alphabets used, and the alphabets are re-used after every set of 18 numbers. Each set has a range of 17.
First, I divide the registration number by 17 and rounded it up to find out which set (first set, second set, third set, etcetera.) that number is in.
Then, I multiply the "set number" by 17 to find the highest number in that set.
Next, I minus the highest number with the registration number, to find the difference of the registration number relative to the highest number. I add one to find the position of the registration number in that set.
As mentioned, the alphabets are re-used after every set of 18 numbers. After finding the position of the registration number in the set, I minus 19 with it to find the position of the alphabet relative to the first alphabet used in that set. From there, I referred to the list of alphabets (It's two lists of nineteen alphabets combined, for easy reference) and counted for the suffix alphabet.
This is how I find the suffix alphabet.
I am aware that after the fourth digit reaches nine, it will skip the next available alphabet and use the second alphabet when it recycles to zero.
When I listed the numbers accordingly in an Excel worksheet, I noticed that a set of nineteen alphabets has skipped alphabet(s) - sometimes one alphabet (D) skipped, sometimes two alphabets (A and X) skipped.
I believe it is because of two reasons that I am able to overcome this rule of skipping an alphabet after the forth digit reaches nine, and to deal with the skipped alphabet(s) in the set of nineteen alphabets used.
Firstly, when I find the position of the registration number in the set of eighteen numbers, I added one to the difference between the registration number and the highest number in the set of numbers. This compensates for one skipped alphabet.
Secondly, when I counted for the alphabet, I either count from the first alphabet or count after the first alphabet.
- If the first digit is "1" or "6", there is only one skipped alphabet (D) and that one has already been compensated when I added one. Hence, I can count from first alphabet.
- Otherwise, if the first digit is "2", "3", "4", "5", "7", "8" or "9", there are two skipped alphabets (A and X). Although I have compensated for one skipped alphabet when I added one earlier, I still have to account for one more alphabet that is skipped. That is why when I count for the suffix alphabet, I have to skip the first alphabet before I start to count, so that I can make up for that one more skipped alphabet; when I skip the first alphabet, I compensate for the other skipped alphabet.
- ^ As mentioned, an alphabet is skipped after the fourth digit (last digit) reaches nine. Somehow, the row number coincides with this rule.
- 1. 000 - 017 (skip 1 alphabet)
- 2. 018 - 035 (skip 2 alphabets)
- 3. 036 - 053 (skip 2 alphabets)
- 4. 054 - 071 (skip 2 alphabets)
- 5. 072 - 089 (skip 2 alphabets)
- 6. 090 - 107 (skip 1 alphabet)
- 7. 108 - 125 (skip 2 alphabets)
- 8. 126 - 143 (skip 2 alphabets)
- 9. 144 - 161 (skip 2 alphabets)
Therefore, although there are skipped alphabet(s) in a set of nineteen alphabets, I am able to make up for the skipped alphabet(s).
This method may be the most accurate way to find the suffix alphabet.
In fact, you can ownself use this method to forecast the suffix alphabets that may be used for license plates registered this week and/or next week for the Volvo B9TL double decker buses, and check against the actual license plates when they are registered, to verify its accuracy.
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I know. What i am saying is, click the link I posted, checksums have been calculated already, for up to about SG1200 and SG5200.
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In the license plates with "SG" index marks, the first digit of the registration number denotes the series. Each series can have 999 numbers (eg. 5001 - 5999).
From what I know, the B9TL Double Decker buses are in the 5000 series and the Citaro Single Decker is in the 1000 series.
From my understanding, there are more than one thousand B9TL Double Decker buses. One series may not be enough.
I guess there may be another series used to register the B9TL Double Decker buses. In that other series, the Enviro500s and Man DDs may also use it since there are not a lot of them.
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Checksum for +/-3100 is the same if the +/-3100 crosses exactly 3 'thousands' (e.g. 1200 > 4300 or 3600>6700, not 1900 > 5000).
E.g. SBS3000G > SBS6100G.
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Originally posted by SBS3004X:
Checksum for +/-3100 is the same if the +/-3100 crosses exactly 3 'thousands' (e.g. 1200 > 4300 or 3600>6700, not 1900 > 5000).
E.g. SBS3000G > SBS6100G.
Well, if you know the methods to find the suffix alphabet for license plates with index marks "SBS", "SMB" and/or "TIBS"/"CSS", please share it here (at the Miscellaneous thread, please), for sharing of knowledge and recording of memories. Thanks. :)
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Originally posted by jurongresident:
Well, if you know the methods to find the suffix alphabet for license plates with index marks "SBS", "SMB" and/or "TIBS"/"CSS", please share it here (at the Miscellaneous thread, please), for sharing of knowledge and recording of memories. Thanks. :)
Did I not post my guide over at the Miscellaneous topics thread?! Go over and read it all you want. I believe it is concise enough.
Anyway, adding 3100 doesn't change the suffix letter. Using the 5-4-3-2 rule, adding 3100 increases 19 (3x5 plus 1x4 plus 0x3 plus 0x2), which is exactly one cycle on the remainder table.
The same goes for other combinations (WITHOUT digit carrying over) such as +410, +18, +20-3, +100-2, +52, etc.
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Dear Sir/Mdm,
We are now at the end of page 11 of this thread "GCM New/Transferred Buses".
We started this thread with a brief discussion about the Government Contracting Model at pages 1 and 2. Then, we talked about the buses that would be purchased and taken over by the LTA at pages 3, 4, 5, 6, 7 and 9.
Along the way, some of us post lists of new buses registered with the "SG" index mark. Thanks for the sharing. Keep up the good work. :)
Next, we discussed about the interior design at page 8. At page 10, we discussed about the two livery options the LTA revealed and asked us to choose one. Some of us expressed our thoughts and opinions about the two colours. At page 11, I found the method to find the suffix alphabet of vehicle license plates with the "SG" index mark.
So far, we have used
- 6 pages on LTA purchasing buses (pages 3, 4, 5, 6, 7 and 9),
- 2 pages on GCM (pages 1 and 2),
- 1 page on interior design (page 8),
- 1 page on livery (page 10),
- 1 page on suffix alphabet (page 11).
Now, we are moving on to page 12.
Enough about LTA purchasing buses. We have already used 6 pages to discuss about it.
Forget about GCM. There is a dedicated thread for it. Anyway, we have already used 2 pages to discuss about it.
What else can we discuss?
We could continue discussions on interior design, common livery and "SG" index mark, for around one page worth each. Who knows there is something new to discuss along the way, while we continue discussion on these three topics.
We could start discussions in new topics straightaway, if there is something new to discuss now.
Either way, let us not harp on a few topics and keep beating around the bush about them, as we would only end up wasting time discussing what has already been discussed thoroughly.
I know this thread is about GCM new and transferred buses. However, the word "bus" is not limited to only bus models and bus deployment. Apart from models, deployment, interior design, common livery, registration plate, there are many things about buses which we have not discussed yet.
For example, I remember the news on channel 5 said before that bus company Go-Ahead will modify the buses to make them more energy efficient. However, I have not seen any mention of this on the forums. Perhaps we could write about it, about the possible modifications that Go-Ahead could implement, while abide to the rules, regulation, terms and conditions of GCM. Like, to what extent are bus operators allowed to modify the buses owned by the Government?
Thank you everyone for the contributions thus far.
Let us keep up the good work and continue to have fruitful discussions. Have a good day, happy learning. :)
Yours Sincerely,
jurongresident, JurongWestresident and Pervertedboy.