GCM New/Transferred Buses
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Originally posted by SBS BUSES LOVER:
its a matter of time they may get whatever LTA gives. Soon they wont have a say. if they need the number of bus to operate to meet qos , they have to take whatever they get.. since lta controls the purchase n all now mah..
cant be a case of oh i dont have enough bus to operate and yet i still dont want to take in that particular model. such a dumb , invalid justification/excuse ...
Are we coming to a point that even bus operators are lobbying LTA for particular bus models?
This is crazy. As if several individual bus lobbyists out there isn't causing enough headache for LTA?
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First, SMRT will not be moving buses to Tower Transit (for Alexander Dennis Enviro500). The newer A95s and existing A22s are for Tower Transit as well.
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i have the feeling that those green MAN A22 (rego SG1710,1711 onwards that yet to register) is for Tower Transit, since this alrdy happen to the green MAN A95
but really, die2 A22 & A95 must be for ex-smrt svc and citaro & wrights for ex-sbst svc when Tower Transit starts? cant they cross deploy buses since it's TT wish?
sorry if i ask this
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I feel those 201 units of ADL E500s better stay with SMRT.TT already need to maintain MAN A22/A95,MB Citaros and Volvo B9TLs..Give a choice i rather take the some Euro V Scania K230UBs and MB OC500LEs from the two incumbent(Reregistered as SG) for fleet restriction service.
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You know, they can always sell the buses to other bus companies.
For example, the bus companies in Hong Kong may want to buy second-hand ADL Enviro 500 buses from SMRT, while the bus companies in Kuala Lumpur may want to buy second-hand Scania K230UB buses from SBS Transit.
As the buses are pre-owned, they are cheaper. The other bus companies may want to buy those buses to expand their bus fleet, especially if they are on a budget.
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HK doesnt buy any second hand buses from other countries and so did Malaysia.
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I think that with the current number of DDs that TT has, GAG will only get those 8 already registered B4 Wrights, everything else will be second-hand.
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Originally posted by SBS3004X:
I think that with the current number of DDs that TT has, GAG will only get those 8 already registered B4 Wrights, everything else will be second-hand.
Second hand or what its LTA decision.
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Originally posted by carbikebus:
HK doesnt buy any second hand buses from other countries and so did Malaysia.
HK did brought second hand SBS Leyland Atlanteans before for Citybus and rebodied the front in the 1990s. But I'm not sure about now. They seems to be buying new buses all the time now.
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Originally posted by sgbuses:
Are we coming to a point that even bus operators are lobbying LTA for particular bus models?
This is crazy. As if several individual bus lobbyists out there isn't causing enough headache for LTA?
I think bus companies have more say in asking LTA for certain bus models than bus fans. And in fact I think LTA is probably constantly consulting the bus companies on bus purchases. Nothing wrong with that, in fact it can be a good thing.
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Originally posted by SBS351M:
I think bus companies have more say in asking LTA for certain bus models than bus fans. And in fact I think LTA is probably constantly consulting the bus companies on bus purchases. Nothing wrong with that, in fact it can be a good thing.
Not a great idea for bus companies to get LTA to buy their own models. It will make a bigger mess out of operator handovers after 2020.
Look at how many bus models poor Transdev Melbourne had to take over.
Some operators are known to have different operating philosophies. Incumbents may make prefer a certain model that can subsequently cause a disadvantage to other future operators.
If you are referring to how LTA purchases the eventual model that will be allocated to everyone, competing claims between operators will exist for the same reason.
If operators want to choose their own models, then they should pay for the purchases or rent from a lessor (as the London model does).
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Originally posted by sgbuses:
Not a great idea for bus companies to get LTA to buy their own models. It will make a bigger mess out of operator handovers after 2020.
Look at how many bus models poor Transdev Melbourne had to take over.
Some operators are known to have different operating philosophies. Incumbents may make prefer a certain model that can subsequently cause a disadvantage to other future operators.
If you are referring to how LTA purchases the eventual model that will be allocated to everyone, competing claims between operators will exist for the same reason.
If operators want to choose their own models, then they should pay for the purchases or rent from a lessor (as the London model does).
how would LTA handle if one or more operators wants a model outside of its selection of bus models? example will be SMRT wants a number of Alexander Enviro 300s or Tower Transit opting for custom buses. not just limited to rigids and DDs
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Originally posted by sgbuses:
Not a great idea for bus companies to get LTA to buy their own models. It will make a bigger mess out of operator handovers after 2020.
Look at how many bus models poor Transdev Melbourne had to take over.
Some operators are known to have different operating philosophies. Incumbents may make prefer a certain model that can subsequently cause a disadvantage to other future operators.
If you are referring to how LTA purchases the eventual model that will be allocated to everyone, competing claims between operators will exist for the same reason.
If operators want to choose their own models, then they should pay for the purchases or rent from a lessor (as the London model does).
I don't think you get what I meant. The Melbourne (and Sydney) examples are not relevant as the bus companies are the ones buying the buses, while the government funds them, which is not disimilar to how its done under BSEP. This is different from the situation now in Singapore where LTA is buying buses directly. One would expect LTA to have consultations with the bus companies regarding their fleet and future purchases, as the bus companies are the end users of the buses and are responsible for their maintenance.
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Originally posted by SMB145B:
how would LTA handle if one or more operators wants a model outside of its selection of bus models? example will be SMRT wants a number of Alexander Enviro 300s or Tower Transit opting for custom buses. not just limited to rigids and DDs
That is my point and concern. LTA has to be firm enough to say no.
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Originally posted by SBS351M:
I don't think you get what I meant. The Melbourne (and Sydney) examples are not relevant as the bus companies are the ones buying the buses, while the government funds them, which is not disimilar to how its done under BSEP. This is different from the situation now in Singapore where LTA is buying buses directly. One would expect LTA to have consultations with the bus companies regarding their fleet and future purchases, as the bus companies are the end users of the buses and are responsible for their maintenance.
We might be referring to the same scheme.
LTA is now buying buses directly (as Perth does). While it is okay to listen what bus operators generally have to say and consider them as an overall group, it is crazy for LTA to bend over backwards and buy specific model X for operator A, specific model Y for operator B and specific model Z for operator C for the same type of bus (e.g. double-decker buses).
I am pointing out how Singapore might end up with Melbourne's (and Sydney's) situation if purchasing is done in a way as though the operators are the purchasers. LTA shouldn't be pandering to individual operators. At least I don't see that happening in Perth. While PTA WA used to make bad purchases, at least they stick to their guns.
Let's say that operator A does get their way with getting LTA to purhcase model X and Y, while rejecting model W. Come 2022 when operators switch hands for the same parcel contract, can new operator B then reject model Y and get LTA to buy their own bus model Z for the same reasons operator A rejected model W?
Operators should not reject buses unless (1) LTA was silly enough to put a specific model in the contract that the operator could argue for a significant breach of terms, which means LTA has effectively tied its own hands or (2) the operator discovered some major defect with the buses they are about to receive.
If LTA wanted operators to choose their own models then they should have stuck to the operator purchase and leasing model in Sydney, Melbourne, Macau and London.
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Originally posted by sgbuses:
We might be referring to the same scheme.
LTA is now buying buses directly (as Perth does). While it is okay to listen what bus operators generally have to say and consider them as an overall group, it is crazy for LTA to bend over backwards and buy specific model X for operator A, specific model Y for operator B and specific model Z for operator C for the same type of bus (e.g. double-decker buses).
I am pointing out how Singapore might end up with Melbourne's (and Sydney's) situation if purchasing is done in a way as though the operators are the purchasers. LTA shouldn't be pandering to individual operators. At least I don't see that happening in Perth. While PTA WA used to make bad purchases, at least they stick to their guns.
Let's say that operator A does get their way with getting LTA to purhcase model X and Y, while rejecting model W. Come 2022 when operators switch hands for the same parcel contract, can new operator B then reject model Y and get LTA to buy their own bus model Z for the same reasons operator A rejected model W?
Operators should not reject buses unless (1) LTA was silly enough to put a specific model in the contract that the operator could argue for a significant breach of terms, which means LTA has effectively tied its own hands or (2) the operator discovered some major defect with the buses they are about to receive.
If LTA wanted operators to choose their own models then they should have stuck to the operator purchase and leasing model in Sydney, Melbourne, Macau and London.
I don't think they are buying specific types for specific operators. The Wrights and Citaro orders were taken over by LTA (as per press release) as they need buses fast and also because LTA would be fully in charge of bus assets, which means that they will need to buy them from the bus companies if they didn't take over the orders. They have shown that they are spreading some of these resources around to all the bus companies, so there shouldn't be any issues at all. Aside from that point, the rest of your views have been explained as a summary at the start of my previous post.
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Originally posted by carbikebus:
Second hand or what its LTA decision.
Second hand from SBST.
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According to Land Transport Guru, 5745 to 5748 are for SMRT while the remainder of 5740-5754 are for TT - anyone can verify?
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Originally posted by CB2883J:
According to Land Transport Guru, 5745 to 5748 are for SMRT while the remainder of 5740-5754 are for TT - anyone can verify?
Already verified here in the A95 thread last week.
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Registered on 20th April 2016:
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For which operator?
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Registered on 4 May 2016
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Originally posted by TIB987K:
Registered on 4 May 2016
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SG1714Eso all for SMRT.. so SMRT gotten green livery A22 as well.
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Originally posted by SBS3004X:
For which operator?
TT