Train oeprators to snatch businesses from buses?
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As the opening of NEL is near, scheme B bus operators are receiving letters that some services will be withdrawn. As a result, their livelihood is affected. Also, a "Sembawang - Changi Airport" MRT line is proposed, if in reality, a direct compeition to service 858. I really think that in the next 30 to 50 years, bus operators will only have feeder services to operate on, while other routes will be covered up by rail.
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if anyone thinks that TIBS and SBST are not in cahoots to bring about a cartel with the blessing of the PTC, i have some used cars i can show them
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Yes, since the MRT started operation in 1987, more and more bus services that duplicate the line got withdrawn or diverted.
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I think they have fewer feeder services to operate, since more towns are getting LRT.
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Bus services will exist, the railway can't cover every single part of Singapore, can't it?
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since when did the word "service" get in the way of profits when the players work as a cartel?Originally posted by SBS9818A:Bus services will exist, the railway can't cover every single part of Singapore, can't it?
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should we vote this piece of crap back in?
(from straits times)
Separately yesterday, Transport Minister Yeo Cheow Tong spoke to reporters about commuters' worries about fare increases:
He said: 'As the rest of the MRT fares go up, we will try to ensure that the North-East Line fares do not change very much, so over time, the rest of the MRT fares should catch up with the NEL.' -
Not only 858 will be affected, I think all the other services using TPE will be affected, eg. 969,965,161,168. But however, the two players will still not lose out in the end, with TIBS and SMRT together and SBS Transit operating both rail and bus services.
I do not take scheme B bus services, but although they can be crowded during the peak hours, they do not run according to timetable and do go around in loops to get enough pax. Sometimes, they do not even run as the bus drivers would rather take on the profitable charter business. If I'm not wrong, the Punggol services are run by an association of bus drivers, not an organized company like Comfort.
I believe that the withdrawal is a positive measure taken by the government, as it would force the remaining operators to buck up their lousy service, reduce the fares ( currently it is $1.50-$2.20 ), and cut the travelling time in order to compete with the NEL. It is not a question of taking away the driver's livelihood, but it is my opinion that companies have to adapt to challenges to survive and to improve. -
Originally posted by the Bear:
So much for promising to freeze the fares for the time being.
should we vote this piece of crap back in?
(from straits times)
[b]Separately yesterday, Transport Minister Yeo Cheow Tong spoke to reporters about commuters' worries about fare increases:
He said: 'As the rest of the MRT fares go up, we will try to ensure that the North-East Line fares do not change very much, so over time, the rest of the MRT fares should catch up with the NEL.'
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I agree with what one man said on TV show, "MRT is not to make money out of Singaporeans".Originally posted by TIB1186Z:So much for promising to freeze the fares for the time being. -
I will still think that the bus services of coarse will be affected but there will still be demands for some of the services . I am pretty sure not all singaporeans will choose the mrt for quick transport . We have to see the next 2 weeks how bus services which are similar to the ne line routes affected .
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I read an article in the Chinese newspaper in the forum. A reader had written in to express his/her views on the opening of NEL. Well, I agree with one of the points stated.
It was said that with the opening of NEL, Scheme B services will be gradually withdrawn. The reader said that this move is to "force" passengers to take NEL by taking away the cheaper alternatives. This is the same for public bus services. -
The same will happen for the Circle line, I expect that services that duplicates most of the line may be withdrawn after it opens in around 2008.Originally posted by off_service:I read an article in the Chinese newspaper in the forum. A reader had written in to express his/her views on the opening of NEL. Well, I agree with one of the points stated.
It was said that with the opening of NEL, Scheme B services will be gradually withdrawn. The reader said that this move is to "force" passengers to take NEL by taking away the cheaper alternatives. This is the same for public bus services. -
Cheaper?! Some of the Scheme B services take hours to get to the city and charge more than what I pay for 502 from Sengkang to Boon Lay!Originally posted by off_service:I read an article in the Chinese newspaper in the forum. A reader had written in to express his/her views on the opening of NEL. Well, I agree with one of the points stated.
It was said that with the opening of NEL, Scheme B services will be gradually withdrawn. The reader said that this move is to "force" passengers to take NEL by taking away the cheaper alternatives. This is the same for public bus services. -
Really? It costs about $2 per ride or something like that, regardless of distance travelled, isn't it?Originally posted by TIB1186Z:Cheaper?! Some of the Scheme B services take hours to get to the city and charge more than what I pay for 502 from Sengkang to Boon Lay! -
Sometimes, complaints
might work.. For example, Tibs or don't know who wanted to withdraw services 180, 184 and even 190 prior to LRT's opening. Many people complained and all these 3 services were not withdrawn 
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But service 5 was withdrawn anyway.Originally posted by oliver_yuen87:Sometimes, complaints might work.. For example, Tibs or don't know who wanted to withdraw services 180, 184 and even 190 prior to LRT's opening. Many people complained and all these 3 services were not withdrawn -
Service 970 was introduced to replace service 5.Originally posted by tranquilice:But service 5 was withdrawn anyway. -
Service 5 was from Bukit Panjang to Geylang Lor 1 wasn't it? Sv. 970 covers most of Sv. 5 route(Sixth Ave, etc) however it goes to Shenton Way instead.
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Please, in Singapore system, they stress something that goes along the following lines (......strongly encourage feedback from the masses......Independent committee to review feedback............make improvements.........BUT only if it is pragmatic................( blah blah blah and another 2 nice pages of explaining the pragmatic policy, which in fact, are denials for throwing complaints etc. down the drain.)) Taken from the Sec. 4 SS Txtbk. on Govt.
So, complaints will rarely work, they normally , in this case, TIBS, give a barrage of reasons not to look into it and shut off the topic. Try looking at svc 806, introduced for so damn long as 804A, gone through a renumbering exercise at TIBS discretion, 2 yrs of campaigning + MP rallying to force TIBS to make 806 run full day for some days in 2000, and though residents complain like siao + the population density so high with mentions in the forum, TIBS still did NOTHING except to provide the standard phrase "......low passenger demand....not economical....." for every complain about 806. -
Yes, the bus companies can be full of bullshit sometimes. I've had enough dealing when them. Why is Sv. 806 not daily, apparently it can be daily with O405Gs operating on that service, isn't it? Are passenger demands that "low" it can't be operated on Sunday? AFAIK people go out on Sundays!Originally posted by TIB1186Z:Please, in Singapore system, they stress something that goes along the following lines (......strongly encourage feedback from the masses......Independent committee to review feedback............make improvements.........BUT only if it is pragmatic................( blah blah blah and another 2 nice pages of explaining the pragmatic policy, which in fact, are denials for throwing complaints etc. down the drain.)) Taken from the Sec. 4 SS Txtbk. on Govt.[/quote]
Yes, yes, Sec 4 Social Studies textbook huh? You quote too much!
[quote]So, complaints will rarely work, they normally , in this case, TIBS, give a barrage of reasons not to look into it and shut off the topic. Try looking at svc 806, introduced for so damn long as 804A, gone through a renumbering exercise at TIBS discretion, 2 yrs of campaigning + MP rallying to force TIBS to make 806 run full day for some days in 2000, and though residents complain like siao + the population density so high with mentions in the forum, TIBS still did NOTHING except to provide the standard phrase "......low passenger demand....not economical....." for every complain about 806. -
For one thing, now passengers have to reply on service 804 on Sundays / PH. Service 804 already has enough passengers for it's own 12m O405s. Imagine adding in the load from service 806.Originally posted by SBS9818A:Yes, the bus companies can be full of bullshit sometimes. I've had enough dealing when them. Why is Sv. 806 not daily, apparently it can be daily with O405Gs operating on that service, isn't it? Are passenger demands that "low" it can't be operated on Sunday? AFAIK people go out on Sundays! -
Yes, adding to the fact Sv. 804 cannot use O405Gs due to that stupid u-turn along Yishun Ave 1, TIBS or LTA should build a turn it like that of Jurong Power station, the bus turns in, loops in the circus and comes out. And fix a traffic light with sensor system to detect the bus is coming so as to activate the lights accordingly.Originally posted by off_service:For one thing, now passengers have to reply on service 804 on Sundays / PH. Service 804 already has enough passengers for it's own 12m O405s. Imagine adding in the load from service 806. -
This will never happen, and its been so many years already. There is an improved version at Yishun Ring Road to cater to the U-turning of 804A, where there is this large rectangle for the bus to turn, but I don't know whether it is enough for a 0405G to turn. The L-shaped thing had been expanded several times, but I guess TIBS still wanted to deploy only 12m 0405s on 804, but I still think that 0405Gs can stomach tight turns in neighbourhoods, like svc 800 turning at Yishun St. 71Originally posted by SBS9818A:Yes, adding to the fact Sv. 804 cannot use O405Gs due to that stupid u-turn along Yishun Ave 1, TIBS or LTA should build a turn it like that of Jurong Power station, the bus turns in, loops in the circus and comes out. And fix a traffic light with sensor system to detect the bus is coming so as to activate the lights accordingly. -
Now Remaking Singapore wants more MRT, sure snatch business from bus operators.