Route Suggestions (Part 7)

• CZT

  4 Jul 17, 14:29

  Originally posted by SMB145B:

  to now i still don't know the reason why cross border services aren't given any high capacity buses.

  someone mentioned there is a 150 buses limit. then due to the exchange rate between S$ and RM, the traffic on the Woodlands Crossing becomes very heavy. 170 alone had 40 KUBs, not counting 170X. we have also 160, 950 along with other buses on this very link. 

  Any 950 buses that call at opposite MSL will be full during peak hours. 856 which calls at WTCP will also be full at the same stop, despite it being a DD majority service. SMB315C had said to intro 950M between WDL and WTCP. note that transfers from any service at WTCP to bus services at WDL X-ing has a 45mins limit. is the majority doing such transfers?

  The height limit at both WDL X-ing and BSI are both 4.5m at least. this certainly allows DDs on Cross Border Services. JB-rigged buses are required for such services. SPAD cannot allow DDs to be JB-rigged? LTA does not want DDs for Cross Border Services? the U-turn under Jalan Terbau is not 4.5m?

  true. SBS & SMRT having their own personal concerns over use of DDs such as safety i cant be too sure too. But theres one thing for sure. TS8 has been using DDs iirc, along with many other express coaches by singapore and malaysia. I may not be an expert with bus models and their specifications, but im pretty sure this is one area we can ask why can they use DD while our operators cannot or do not?

• carbikebus

  4 Jul 17, 15:30

  TS Coach DD is low in height in fact its less than 4m..

• CZT

  4 Jul 17, 15:37

  Originally posted by carbikebus:

  TS Coach DD is low in height in fact its less than 4m..

  hmm our tall are our SBS & SMRT ones?

• carbikebus

  4 Jul 17, 19:02

  Originally posted by CZT:

  hmm our tall are our SBS & SMRT ones?

  Standard City bus double decker is 4.35m

  Low height E500 is around 3.92m

  The Coach DD is around 3.9m,Go to lower deck and you know why.

• carbikebus

  4 Jul 17, 19:05

  If really JB routes can deploy DD it would be nice.

  160/170,A mix of K230UB & B9TL and 170 no need to deploy until 44 buses.

  950 can use A22/A95.

• Path Light

  4 Jul 17, 19:35

  Originally posted by array88:

  I know this 858 issue has been discussed countless times, but I just had a rather insane idea.

   

  Service 858: Woodlands - Changi Business Park

  Woodlands Temp Int
  (current 858 route to TPE)
  Upp Changi Rd East
  Expo Dr
  Changi South Ave 1
  Changi Business Pk Ave 1
  Changi Business Pk Ctrl 1/2
  Changi South Ave 1
  Changi Business Park Ter

   

  Service 958: Woodlands - Changi Airport (Loop)
  Calls at the following bus stops only.

  Woodlands Temp Int
  Woodlands Ave 7
  - opp Admiralty Stn / Admiralty Stn
  Sembawang Way
  - opp Sembawang Stn / Sembawang Stn
  Canberra Rd (Express)
  Sembawang Rd
  - aft Sembawang Shop Ctr / opp Sembawang Shop Ctr
  Yishun Ave 5
  - opp Blk 701A / Blk 701
  - Blk 145 / Blk 741
  Yishun Ave 2
  - opp Yishun Stn / Yishun Stn
  - opp Khatib Stn / bef Khatib Stn
  Lentor Ave (Express)
  TPE
  Jln Kayu
  - bef Seletar Camp G / aft Seletar Camp G
  TPE
  - aft Punggol Rd / bef Punggol Rd
  PIE (Express)
  Airport Blvd
  (calls at all bus stops)
  ... and loop at T3/T1/T2 and back.

  This route will cause a loss of link frpm Changi Airport to Yishun and Woodlands

• SBS3004X

  4 Jul 17, 23:06

  Originally posted by Path Light:

  This route will cause a loss of link frpm Changi Airport to Yishun and Woodlands

  Best comment ever.

• SMB1368T

  4 Jul 17, 23:16

  Haha yeah right

• Waynechew1003

  4 Jul 17, 23:25

  ppl wont want to carry their stuff and keep changing buses

• Path Light

  4 Jul 17, 23:45

  Extension of Service 97 to Punggol Bus Interchange

  Current route

  Fullerton Road

  Esplanade Drive

  Stamford Road

  Prinsep Street

  Selegie Road

  Serangoon Road

  Central Expressway

  Tampines Expressway

  Punggol Road

  Punggol Place

  Pros: Connects people of Punggol to CBD and Jurong East

  Cons: Route maybe long

• CZT

  5 Jul 17, 07:42

  Originally posted by Path Light:

  Extension of Service 97 to Punggol Bus Interchange

  Current route

  Fullerton Road

  Esplanade Drive

  Stamford Road

  Prinsep Street

  Selegie Road

  Serangoon Road

  Central Expressway

  Tampines Expressway

  Punggol Road

  Punggol Place

  Pros: Connects people of Punggol to CBD and Jurong East

  Cons: Route maybe long

  wah the route will be a bit like another svc 51 haha

• carbikebus

  5 Jul 17, 09:46

  Originally posted by Path Light:

  Extension of Service 97 to Punggol Bus Interchange

  Current route

  Fullerton Road

  Esplanade Drive

  Stamford Road

  Prinsep Street

  Selegie Road

  Serangoon Road

  Central Expressway

  Tampines Expressway

  Punggol Road

  Punggol Place

  Pros: Connects people of Punggol to CBD and Jurong East

  Cons: Route maybe long

  97 last time to Hougang now you want to extend to Punggol? 

   

• Vampire77lim

  5 Jul 17, 09:57

  97 should extended to geylang lor terminal 

• carbikebus

  5 Jul 17, 12:54

  Originally posted by Vampire77lim:

  97 should extended to geylang lor terminal 

  For what purpose?Right now 62 is the service that need to terminate @ Lor 1 due to its hectic route and rest time.

• wsy1234

  5 Jul 17, 13:42

  62 should go back to serve chinatown and loop back to punggol

• Path Light

  5 Jul 17, 13:58

  Originally posted by CZT:

  wah the route will be a bit like another svc 51 haha

  Since Hougang Bus Interchange has no more room for more than 2 new services, I choose Punggol Temporary Bus Interchange (For Service 97)

• dupdup77

  5 Jul 17, 14:41

  Originally posted by Path Light:

  Since Hougang Bus Interchange has no more room for more than 2 new services, I choose Punggol Temporary Bus Interchange (For Service 97)

  Hi mr path light, hougang bus interchange is already expanded and has room for more than 2 new services. Cheers. Thanks.

• carbikebus

  5 Jul 17, 15:29

  Originally posted by Path Light:

  Since Hougang Bus Interchange has no more room for more than 2 new services, I choose Punggol Temporary Bus Interchange (For Service 97)

  Even though the final 13 lots has been in use,the total parking lots at PGL stands at 37 and do you have any idea how bad the parking issues is during peak/meal break time?Sometimes even SBST park at GAS lots

   

• Vampire77lim

  5 Jul 17, 15:42

  All under control by lta is not considered to provide the bus service  even though the feedback on the bus service lta can't provide the bus service 

• Path Light

  5 Jul 17, 16:38

  Originally posted by dupdup77:

  Hi mr path light, hougang bus interchange is already expanded and has room for more than 2 new services. Cheers. Thanks.

  More than 2 new bus services? Like Service 329?

• AJQZC

  8 Jul 17, 21:32

  Originally posted by Path Light:

  Extension of Service 97 to Punggol Bus Interchange

  Current route

  Fullerton Road

  Esplanade Drive

  Stamford Road

  Prinsep Street

  Selegie Road

  Serangoon Road

  Central Expressway

  Tampines Expressway

  Punggol Road

  Punggol Place

  Pros: Connects people of Punggol to CBD and Jurong East

  Cons: Route maybe long

  Please, there's no point in creating a long route that crosses two ends of the island. Because it will be too long and unfeasible for the bus driver / company (due to jams, etc)

  Existing cross-island routes such as 14, 51, 61 are already very problematic, prone to jams and bunching.

  Good routes serve towns direct to the point. Either Jurong East -- CBD, Punggol -- CBD, or Jurong East -- Punggol (without passing via CBD).

  In addition, please don't resurrect the 2003 (pre NEL-rationalisation) routes. Population and travelling patterns have changed after 14 years, people are already used to these services. Create new and better routes.

  Thanks.

• TPS Timothy Mok

  8 Jul 17, 21:35

  Originally posted by Path Light:

  Extension of Service 97 to Punggol Bus Interchange

  Current route

  Fullerton Road

  Esplanade Drive

  Stamford Road

  Prinsep Street

  Selegie Road

  Serangoon Road

  Central Expressway

  Tampines Expressway

  Punggol Road

  Punggol Place

  Pros: Connects people of Punggol to CBD and Jurong East

  Cons: Route maybe long

  If 97 is extended like this it will be the first time the normal bus service can go from Central Expressway to Tampines Expressway (excluding Premiums, now you cannot enjoy comfortable seating on Premium 550 anymore). Then this will also be like proposed express service from Sengkang to Shenton Way which is quite aborted.

• TPS Timothy Mok

  8 Jul 17, 21:39

  Originally posted by Path Light:

  Extension of Service 97 to Punggol Bus Interchange

  Current route

  Fullerton Road

  Esplanade Drive

  Stamford Road

  Prinsep Street

  Selegie Road

  Serangoon Road

  Central Expressway

  Tampines Expressway

  Punggol Road

  Punggol Place

  Pros: Connects people of Punggol to CBD and Jurong East

  Cons: Route maybe long

  Have another scenario:

  Marina Boulevard

  Bayfront Avenue

  Temasek Avenue

  Temasek Boulevard

  Rochor Road

  Beach Road

  Java Road

  Nicoll Highway

  KPE

  PIE

  Jalan Eunos

  Sims Avenue East

  Chai Chee Drive

  Waringin Park

  Waringin Walk

  For the return journey, via Kallang Bahru, Geylang Bahru, Lorong 1 Geylang, Sims Avenue, Sims Way, Nicoll Highway.

• AJQZC

  8 Jul 17, 21:42

  Originally posted by AJQZC:

  Seems a bit too long when 945 / 947 are already doing the job at West Ave 2/4/5, and a merger is not suitable either. I think can cut at Bt Gombak MRT plus a loop around Bt Batok Rd. So like this:

  (943)

  • BB Int
  • BB West Ave 3   (Poly, Blk 140, PEPS)
  • BB West Ave 8   (Blk 445A, Blk 440)
  • BB West Ave 6   (Blk 442A)
  • BB Rd   (Opp Blk 437)
  • BB West Ave 5   (Opp Blk 435A, Opp Blk 467)
    
  • BB St 31   (Blk 309)
  • BB West Ave 5   (Bt Gombak MRT, Blk 531)
  • Loop back

  In addition to this feeder, BB West area should have about 1-2 trunk services to link to nearby towns (Jurong East / CCK / Bt Panjang / Tengah). Some considerations are as follows:

  (928)

  • BB Int
  • BB West Ave 3   (Poly)
    
  • BB West Ave 6   (Blk 451, Blk 461C)
    
  • BB West Ave 8   (Blk 438A)
    
  • BB West Ave 4   (Blk 419)
    
  • BB West Ave 7   (Blk 406)
    
  • BB Rd
  • Brickland Rd
  • CCK Grove
  • Keat Hong Link
  • CCK Ave 1
  • 
    
  • * (merge with 308 and loop around CCK MRT, as with other merged cross-town feeders such as 3, 38, 60. Minimal duplication with feeder 943.)

  (180)

  • (Existing route from Boon Lay)
  • BB Rd
  • BB West Ave 6 / 8 / 5
  • BB Rd
  • (Existing route to BPJ)
  • -
    
  • ** (Between 160 and 180, only one route should be changed if need be, and with minimal amendments if possible)

  (New service to Tengah)

  (New / amended service for better link to Jurong East)

  Other existing services mostly stay as they are.

   

  Originally posted by SBS3004X:

  Actually I did consider looping at BB Rd, but it will increase travelling time to BB MRT/Int.

  The whole point of my route not looping around BB Rd was to give residents a choice between BB and Bt Gombak MRTs.

  Ah, but my amended route would still give the residents that choice, isn't it? They simply have to walk to the other side of the estate served by 943. Otherwise 928 is still there to take them to either BB or CCK.

  It's not a particularly significant point of contention ... I simply suggested it this way to minimize route duplication between 928 and 943. And also to provide 180 some coverage of this part of the town.

• Path Light

  9 Jul 17, 00:01

  My new suggestion

  Service 501

  Jurong East > Punggol

  Jurong Gateway Road

  Jurong East Central

  Jurong Town Hall Road

  Ayer Rajah Expressway

  Central Expressway

  Tampines Expressway

  Punggol Road

  Punggol Place