Route Suggestions (Part 7)

• Waynechew1003

  9 Jan 18, 22:21

  73M run the same as 73 between Ang Mo Kio to Serangoon garden

• dandelionflower

  11 Jan 18, 11:47

  hi, anyone out there able to advise:

  travelliing from west to airline road region

• AJQZC

  11 Jan 18, 12:46

  Originally posted by dandelionflower:

  hi, anyone out there able to advise:

  travelliing from west to airline road region

  Depending your definition of west (JW/JE/BB/BP/CCK/LCK), find a way to transfer to MRT East West Line. Then alight at Simei MRT station and board bus 9 at the bus stop (96169) before the mall, which will take you to Airline Rd.

  (You can explore other routes but this is the most direct and straightforward one. Though just hail a taxi if you are in a rush. )

  Btw next time please ask for directions (if any) at this thread instead.

• SBS2792K

  11 Jan 18, 21:42

  Future Opening of Bidadari Int

  Summary:

  81, 82, 103 - extended from Serangoon Central to Bidadari Int

  100 - cut back to Bidadari Int; deleted sector covered by new bus service 104

  104 - New Bus Service from Bidadari Int - Toa Payoh Int

   

  Service 81

  -Current Route to Upp S'goon Rd-

  Upp S'goon Rd

  Boundary Rd

  Serangoon Ctrl (S'goon Stn)

  S'goon Ave 1

  Bidadari Pk Dr

  Bidadari Int

   

  Service 82

  -Current Route to Upp S'goon Rd-

  Upp S'goon Rd

  Boundary Rd

  Serangoon Ctrl (S'goon Stn)

  Upp S'goon Rd (Woodleigh Stn)

  Bidadari Pk Dr (Alkaff Vista/Courtview/Oasis/Lakeview)

  Bidadari Int

   

  Service 103

  -Current Route to Upp S'goon Rd-

  Upp S'goon Rd  (S'goon Stn)

  Serangoon Ctrl

  S'goon Ave 1

  Bidadari Pk Dr

  Bidadari Int

  
  

  Service 104

  Bidadari Int

  Bidadari Pk Dr

  Upp S'goon Rd

  S'goon Ave 2

  Boundary Rd

  AMK Ave 1

  Bishan Rd

  Bishan St 22

  Sin Ming Ave

  Upp Thomson Rd

  Caldecott MRT

  Lor 1 TPY

  TPY Int
• SMB1368T

  11 Jan 18, 21:57

  Is that why maybe 82 has DDs training on the route? 

• array88

  12 Jan 18, 01:12

  Originally posted by SBS2792K:

  Future Opening of Bidadari Int

  Summary:

  81, 82, 103 - extended from Serangoon Central to Bidadari Int

  100 - cut back to Bidadari Int; deleted sector covered by new bus service 104

  135 - cut back to Bidadari Int; deleted sector covered by new bus service 104

  104 - New Bus Service from Bidadari Int - AMK Int (Loop)

   

  Service 81

  -Current Route to Upp S'goon Rd-

  Upp S'goon Rd

  Boundary Rd

  Serangoon Ctrl (S'goon Stn)

  S'goon Ave 1

  Bidadari Pk Dr

  Bidadari Int

   

  Service 82

  -Current Route to Upp S'goon Rd-

  Upp S'goon Rd

  Boundary Rd

  Serangoon Ctrl (S'goon Stn)

  Upp S'goon Rd (Woodleigh Stn)

  Bidadari Pk Dr (Alkaff Vista/Courtview/Oasis/Lakeview)

  Bidadari Int

   

  Service 103

  -Current Route to Upp S'goon Rd-

  Upp S'goon Rd  (S'goon Stn)

  Serangoon Ctrl

  S'goon Ave 1

  Bidadari Pk Dr

  Bidadari Int

  
  

  Service 104

  Bidadari Int

  Bidadari Pk Dr

  Upp S'goon Rd

  S'goon Ave 2

  Boundary Rd

  AMK Ave 1

  AMK Ave 8

  AMK Int (Loop)

  This essentially removes the link from Upp Aljunied Rd to Serangoon (CCL and NEX) - which is not good IMO.

  Also gone is the link from Marine Parade to AMK, where 135 was stated as an alternative when 76's amendment happened.

• array88

  12 Jan 18, 01:13

  Originally posted by SMB1368T:

  Is that why maybe 82 has DDs training on the route? 

  Don't think so. 82's highest loading never occurs at Serangoon.

• SBS2792K

  12 Jan 18, 08:45

  Originally posted by array88:

  This essentially removes the link from Upp Aljunied Rd to Serangoon (CCL and NEX) - which is not good IMO.

  Also gone is the link from Marine Parade to AMK, where 135 was stated as an alternative when 76's amendment happened.

  OMG i forgot about that

• Seveneighteightsix

  12 Jan 18, 12:40

  Originally posted by ButIAmAToilet:

  33 - Bedok - Rumah Tinggi

  63 - Eunos - Kent Ridge

  Switch routes after Tiong Bahru

  Not sure if there is any fleet restriction for 63's current route at Redhill area, so might as well let a service with SD restriction serve that area. At least the new 63 can run DDs if needed

  In addition to this, some of my suggestions to help improve bus connectivity in Redhill Estate:

  Trunk 16 (based on AJQZC's suggestion)

  Extended to HarbourFront Interchange

  via

  - Original Route - 

  Tiong Bahru Road [Redhill MRT]

  Jalan Tiong 

  Lengkok Bahru (South)

  Jalan Bukit Merah

  Henderson Road

  Telok Blangah Heights

  Telok Blangah St 31

  Telok Blangah Drive

  Henderson Road

  Telok Blangah Road

  HarbourFront Interchange

  Extended into Redhill and Telok Blangah, this amendment can provide inter-estate connections between Redhill, Bukit Merah and Telok Blangah in addition to freeing up space in Bukit Merah Interchange. (lost connections covered by 851)

   

  New Feeder Service 271 (which I did suggest once before)

  Bukit Merah Interchange <> Strathmore Avenue (Loop)

  via 

  Bukit Merah Central

  Jalan Bukit Merah

  Jalan Rumah Tinggi

  Hoy Fatt Road

  Lengkok Bahru (North)

  Redhill Road

  Redhill Close

  Tiong Bahru Road [Redhill MRT]

  Tanglin Road

  Kay Siang Road

  Dawson Road

  Strathmore Avenue

  Commonwealth Avenue

  Alexandra Road

  Tiong Bahru Road

   - rejoins route back to Bukit Merah -

  Loop service from Bt Merah to Dawson to supplement new residential developments in the area. Compliments 33's new route and serving Jalan Rumah Tinggi, allowing 33 to be extended to Bukit Merah Interchange.

  With these amendments, virtually every part of Redhill Estate now has a connection to Redhill MRT in addition to 33 to Tiong Bahru and Chinatown and 139 to Alexandra Road and River Valley. Furthermore, Telok Blangah Heights will have a link to Tiong Bahru via extended Service 16 (albeit using a windy route via Redhill) and new flats in Dawson will get an additional bus service.

• array88

  12 Jan 18, 13:09

  Originally posted by Seveneighteightsix:

  In addition to this, some of my suggestions to help improve bus connectivity in Redhill Estate:

  Trunk 16 (based on AJQZC's suggestion)

  Extended to HarbourFront Interchange

  via

  - Original Route - 

  Tiong Bahru Road [Redhill MRT]

  Jalan Tiong 

  Lengkok Bahru (South)

  Jalan Bukit Merah

  Henderson Road

  Telok Blangah Heights

  Telok Blangah St 31

  Telok Blangah Drive

  Henderson Road

  Telok Blangah Road

  HarbourFront Interchange

  Extended into Redhill and Telok Blangah, this amendment can provide inter-estate connections between Redhill, Bukit Merah and Telok Blangah in addition to freeing up space in Bukit Merah Interchange. (lost connections covered by 851)

   

  New Feeder Service 271 (which I did suggest once before)

  Bukit Merah Interchange <> Strathmore Avenue (Loop)

  via 

  Bukit Merah Central

  Jalan Bukit Merah

  Jalan Rumah Tinggi

  Hoy Fatt Road

  Lengkok Bahru (North)

  Redhill Road

  Redhill Close

  Tiong Bahru Road [Redhill MRT]

  Tanglin Road

  Kay Siang Road

  Dawson Road

  Strathmore Avenue

  Commonwealth Avenue

  Alexandra Road

  Tiong Bahru Road

   - rejoins route back to Bukit Merah -

  Loop service from Bt Merah to Dawson to supplement new residential developments in the area. Compliments 33's new route and serving Jalan Rumah Tinggi, allowing 33 to be extended to Bukit Merah Interchange.

  With these amendments, virtually every part of Redhill Estate now has a connection to Redhill MRT in addition to 33 to Tiong Bahru and Chinatown and 139 to Alexandra Road and River Valley. Furthermore, Telok Blangah Heights will have a link to Tiong Bahru via extended Service 16 (albeit using a windy route via Redhill) and new flats in Dawson will get an additional bus service.

  Like your 271. Should do much better than services like 122.

  For 16, I'm not sure if it will be faster than 120 to Redhill given the winding route? And we know not many people take 120 all the way to Redhill for EWL (still don't know why - probably due to the low housing density of Telok Blangah Heights).

• array88

  12 Jan 18, 13:35

  When it comes to enhancing connectivity for DTL3 stations, there's still a long way to go.

   

  Service 114: Hougang Central - Toa Payoh

  https://routes.one/idea/854

   

  - New service for Ubi Ave 4 (no service today), connecting to Ubi and MacPherson MRT. (Surprised 137 missed there)

  - Connects Kallang Way Industrial Estate to Mattar (nearest MRT), although route towards TPY is ugly; Meanwhile, connects to Toa Payoh for NSL (currently 125 only serves NEL and EWL users)

  - Connects industrial estates near Eunos Link to Ubi MRT. Currently only 87 goes to Kaki Bukit with some backtracking. Forsee heavy demand like many other services along this corridor

  - New service for Defu Ave 1 (no service today)

  - High demand anticipated during peak hours as the route passes through various industrial estates

• Marvel68

  12 Jan 18, 13:53

  Originally posted by array88:

  Like your 271. Should do much better than services like 122.

  For 16, I'm not sure if it will be faster than 120 to Redhill given the winding route? And we know not many people take 120 all the way to Redhill for EWL (still don't know why - probably due to the low housing density of Telok Blangah Heights).

  Because taking 273 to Bukit Merah and changing to 5/16/132/851 to Redhill/Tiong Bahru MRT is faster than taking 120 all the way to Redhill...

• BusAnalayzer

  12 Jan 18, 13:54

  Originally posted by SBS2792K:

  Future Opening of Bidadari Int

  Summary:

  81, 82, 103 - extended from Serangoon Central to Bidadari Int

  100 - cut back to Bidadari Int; deleted sector covered by new bus service 104

  104 - New Bus Service from Bidadari Int - Toa Payoh Int

   

  Service 81

  -Current Route to Upp S'goon Rd-

  Upp S'goon Rd

  Boundary Rd

  Serangoon Ctrl (S'goon Stn)

  S'goon Ave 1

  Bidadari Pk Dr

  Bidadari Int

   

  Service 82

  -Current Route to Upp S'goon Rd-

  Upp S'goon Rd

  Boundary Rd

  Serangoon Ctrl (S'goon Stn)

  Upp S'goon Rd (Woodleigh Stn)

  Bidadari Pk Dr (Alkaff Vista/Courtview/Oasis/Lakeview)

  Bidadari Int

   

  Service 103

  -Current Route to Upp S'goon Rd-

  Upp S'goon Rd  (S'goon Stn)

  Serangoon Ctrl

  S'goon Ave 1

  Bidadari Pk Dr

  Bidadari Int

  
  

  Service 104

  Bidadari Int

  Bidadari Pk Dr

  Upp S'goon Rd

  S'goon Ave 2

  Boundary Rd

  AMK Ave 1

  Bishan Rd

  Bishan St 22

  Sin Ming Ave

  Upp Thomson Rd

  Caldecott MRT

  Lor 1 TPY

  TPY Int

  Below is my take for Bidadari estate.

  43M converted to svc 104

  104: 

  Bidadari Interchange >> Upper Serangoon Road >> Bidadari Park Dr >> Serangoon Ave 1 >> NEX >> continues on current route to Buangkok Green >> Buangkok Link >> Buangkok Dr (partly under construction) >> Sengkang Central >> continues on current route to Punggol Interchange.

  81: 

  Bidadari Interchange >> Upper Serangoon Rd >> Bidadari Park Dr >> Bartley Road >> Upper Serangoon Road... continues on current route to Tampines.

  100: 

  Serangoon Interchange >> Upper Serangoon Rd >> Bartley Road >> Bidadari Park Dr >> Upper Aljunied road... continues on current route.

  * Link between Woodleigh and Upper Aljunied/Aljunied maintained by 135/155. 

  * Provides Serangoon (CCL/NEL) connection to new BTOs at Bartley Road

  135/155: No Change. DDs may do well on svc 135 once Bidadari estate is developed. 

  ---- With the above modifications, BTOs along Bidadari Park Road will be connected to Woodleigh MRT (81, 104) and Serangoon MRT (81, 100, 104)

  ---- BTOs along Bartley Road will be connected to Woodleigh MRT via svc 81, to Serangoon MRT via 81, 100, to Bartley MRT via 28, 93, 129

  82: No change or merge with 107. 

   

• Marvel68

  12 Jan 18, 14:34

  Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:

  Below is my take for Bidadari estate.

  43M converted to svc 104

  104: 

  Bidadari Interchange >> Upper Serangoon Road >> Bidadari Park Dr >> Serangoon Ave 1 >> NEX >> continues on current route to Buangkok Green >> Buangkok Link >> Buangkok Dr (partly under construction) >> Sengkang Central >> continues on current route to Punggol Interchange.

  81: 

  Bidadari Interchange >> Upper Serangoon Rd >> Bidadari Park Dr >> Bartley Road >> Upper Serangoon Road... continues on current route to Tampines.

  100: 

  Serangoon Interchange >> Upper Serangoon Rd >> Bartley Road >> Bidadari Park Dr >> Upper Aljunied road... continues on current route.

  * Link between Woodleigh and Upper Aljunied/Aljunied maintained by 135/155. 

  * Provides Serangoon (CCL/NEL) connection to new BTOs at Bartley Road

  135/155: No Change. DDs may do well on svc 135 once Bidadari estate is developed. 

  ---- With the above modifications, BTOs along Bidadari Park Road will be connected to Woodleigh MRT (81, 104) and Serangoon MRT (81, 100, 104)

  ---- BTOs along Bartley Road will be connected to Woodleigh MRT via svc 81, to Serangoon MRT via 81, 100, to Bartley MRT via 28, 93, 129

  82: No change or merge with 107. 

   

  In addition to what you have proposed:

  Service 148: Bidadari - Toa Payoh Central (Loop)

  Bidadari Int > Bidadari Park Dr > Upp Serangoon Rd > PIE (Jln Toa Payoh) > Kim Keat Lk > Lor 6 Toa Payoh > Lor 2 Toa Payoh (TPY MRT) > Toa Payoh Ctrl > Lor 4 Toa Payoh > Continues back to Bidadari

  - Links Bidadari estate to Toa Payoh town centre as well as NSL

  - Complements 142 between Toa Payoh and Potong Pasir MRT

  Service 149: Bidadari - Kampong Ampat (Loop)

  Bidadari Int > Bidadari Pk Dr > Upp Aljunied Rd > Joo Seng Rd (New stop outside Blk 13) > Upp Aljunied Lk (New Stop opp Blk 19) > Kampong Ampat (New stop) > Joo Seng Rd (New stops opp Blk 17 and Blk 11 respectively) > Upp Aljunied Rd > Bidadari Pk Dr > Bidadari Int

  - Links Joo Seng housing and industrial estate to Woodleigh MRT

  - Can possibly be extended to serve Little Rd, Tai Seng MRT and EWL

• Marvel68

  12 Jan 18, 14:51

  Originally posted by Seveneighteightsix:

   

  New Feeder Service 271 (which I did suggest once before)

  Bukit Merah Interchange <> Strathmore Avenue (Loop)

  via 

  Bukit Merah Central

  Jalan Bukit Merah

  Jalan Rumah Tinggi

  Hoy Fatt Road

  Lengkok Bahru (North)

  Redhill Road

  Redhill Close

  Tiong Bahru Road [Redhill MRT]

  Tanglin Road

  Kay Siang Road

  Dawson Road

  Strathmore Avenue

  Commonwealth Avenue

  Alexandra Road

  Tiong Bahru Road

   - rejoins route back to Bukit Merah -

  Loop service from Bt Merah to Dawson to supplement new residential developments in the area. Compliments 33's new route and serving Jalan Rumah Tinggi, allowing 33 to be extended to Bukit Merah Interchange.

  With these amendments, virtually every part of Redhill Estate now has a connection to Redhill MRT in addition to 33 to Tiong Bahru and Chinatown and 139 to Alexandra Road and River Valley. Furthermore, Telok Blangah Heights will have a link to Tiong Bahru via extended Service 16 (albeit using a windy route via Redhill) and new flats in Dawson will get an additional bus service.

  This should have been 122's route from the start tbh...

• array88

  12 Jan 18, 14:55

  Regarding all the suggestions to extend 81/82/43M to Bidadari, did everyone forget 116?

  And possibly 53M too, if there's a good route for it...

• SBS2792K

  13 Jan 18, 07:57

  oh yes i forgot to mention that i have seen the floorplan

   

  BIdadari Int:

  15 rigid lots, 3 bendy lots

  3 boarding berths, 1 bendy 2 rigid

  2 alighting, 1 bendy 1 rigid

• array88

  13 Jan 18, 08:17

  Originally posted by SBS2792K:

  oh yes i forgot to mention that i have seen the floorplan

   

  BIdadari Int:

  15 rigid lots, 3 bendy lots

  3 boarding berths, 1 bendy 2 rigid

  2 alighting, 1 bendy 1 rigid

  Seriously? Bendy lots?

• TIB987K

  13 Jan 18, 22:11

  [Off-topic]

  Originally posted by array88:

  Seriously? Bendy lots?

  

  

• SG1131L

  13 Jan 18, 22:19

  Got clearer picture? The picture very blur.
• TIB987K

  13 Jan 18, 22:22

  Originally posted by SG1131L:

  Got clearer picture? The picture very blur.

  Try to zoom in for the bottom image

• SMB1368T

  14 Jan 18, 00:16

  Kinda like Tampines Int

• array88

  14 Jan 18, 08:05

  I've been thinking about what services could possibly use bendies at Bidadari, and the only logical answer is: 53.

  So here comes my suggestions...

  Scenario 1

  Service 53: Bidadari - Changi Airport (Loop): https://routes.one/idea/860

  Service 53M: Bidadari - Hougang St 21 (Loop)

  Service 58 amendment to Bishan St 14: https://routes.one/idea/861

  Service 135 amendment to Serangoon Central: https://routes.one/idea/862

  - Allows bendies to be deployed on 53 for the heavily utilized PSR-CGA sector

  - Deleted sectors on 53: 

  • NEX - Boundary Rd: Covered by amended 135, also supplemented by 22 and 315
  • Boundary Rd - Bishan: Covered by 156
  • Bishan St 14 - AMK Ave 1 / Serangoon: Covered by amended 58
  • Lor Ah Soo - AMK Ave 1: Covered by 45
  • Lor Ah Soo - Bishan: Transfer to CCL or 58 at Upp Serangoon Rd
    

  - Puts 45, 53 and 53M at the same bus stops outside Serangoon MRT so that Lor Ah Soo commuters don't need to choose which one to go to

  - Improves reliability on 53 by making the route slightly shorter

  Scenario 2

  Service 53: Bidadari - Changi Airport (Loop): https://routes.one/idea/860

  Service 53M: Bidadari - Hougang St 21 (Loop)

  Service 81 extended to Bishan via 53's route: https://routes.one/idea/863

  - All deleted sectors on 53 covered by 81, except Lor Ah Soo - Bishan (transfer to 81 at Upp Serangoon Rd)

  - Commuters from Bishan / AMK Ave 1 to Tampines Rd and Pasir Ris can still take 81 which is actually faster

  Scenario 3

  Service 53: Bidadari - Changi Airport (Loop): https://routes.one/idea/860

  Service 53M renumbered to 108 and extended to Bishan via 53's route: https://routes.one/idea/864

  - All deleted sectors on 53 covered by 108; those travelling beyond Kovan can transfer to 53

  - 108 can get a few DDs as it helps both 53's and 113's heavy loading sectors at Lor Ah Soo

  - With 108, it's possible for 113 to be withdrawn or operate at reduced frequencies. 113A can definitely be withdrawn

• SMB1368T

  14 Jan 18, 10:26

  Any possibility that 853 would be chopped and terminate at Bidadari? Perhaps the journey to Kallang can be extended to somewhere...maybe to the future Marina South ITH?

• JKYY

  14 Jan 18, 11:43

  Originally posted by SMB1368T:

  Any possibility that 853 would be chopped and terminate at Bidadari? Perhaps the journey to Kallang can be extended to somewhere...maybe to the future Marina South ITH?

  That's what I thought too. The Yishun - AMK Ave 6 sector is covered by 851 and 852, the AMK Ave 6 - AMK Ave 8 sector is covered by 162/M, the AMK Ave 8 - Serangoon Ctrl sector is covered by 22 (135 partial) and the Serangoon Ctrl - Woodleigh sector is covered by 147 (100 and 135 partial).