Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:Time has come for 137 to get some DDs. Loading between UBI and Kaki Bukit also can be very high. A few DDs will do well.
Isn't there height restrictions in the Kaki Bukit Industrial area, that prevented 137 from starting with any DDs in the first place?
Originally posted by autumncs:If you take a bus to Boon Lay interchange, there is also congestion outside Boon Lay interchange during peak hour. By skipping Boon Lay interchange, 974 can save some time between Jalan Bahar and Jurong West St 63.
no bus lane? LTA should have draw bus lane if there are demand for bus service during peck hours.
Originally posted by AJQZC:Isn't there height restrictions in the Kaki Bukit Industrial area, that prevented 137 from starting with any DDs in the first place?
What height restrictions? Where?
Is it the one along Kaki Bukit Road 3?
Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:You have got it completely wrong.
People would prefer spending 20 mins more on a direct bus from BPJ to Pioneer than do 3 transfers. Also CCK is a huge town in itself and can have a good patronage between JW and CCK/BPJ towns. In addition, NTU students will find this service extremely useful too.
Moreover note 172 and 974 cater to completely different areas in CCK with only common stop is CCK MRT. From CCK MRT to JW, it is no brainer that 974 will be faster.
I foresee heavy AM loading from CCK to JW but lower loading in opposite direction and vice versa.
agree on this. Would rather go for direct bus service rather than transfering here and there. Its a hassle for some
Originally posted by wsy1234:no bus lane? LTA should have draw bus lane if there are demand for bus service during peck hours.
For the congestion, I am referring to the long queue of buses waiting to enter Boon Lay Interchange, thanks to the multiple traffic junctions outside the interchange and limited alighting berths inside the interchange.
Thank goodness svc 974 is skipping Boon Lay Interchange.
Originally posted by SG1131L:Honestly, I hope 974 is not a one-off, but the first of many bus routes that use the KJE-PIE sector to enhance the North-West public transport connections, like those along the SLE-TPE sector in the North-East.
After connecting Bukit Panjang with Joo Koon, the next place to connect with could be Tuas, and the public transport connections between Woodlands, Choa Chu Kang and Jurong West could be enhanced.
And I think that’s about it. Unlike the North-East, the North-West has less areas.
The demand for North-West connection is not as great as the demand for North-East connection.
Good day.
Anyway, I have checked.
969 is popular, probably because it offers the same travel time to Yishun, and just 10mins longer travel time to Woodlands, as compared to the MRT.
And, the distance per travel time is about 0.45km/min.
Going by that basis, the maximum travel length for the following inter-town bus routes (in order to be comparable to MRT) has to be the following,
Woodlands-Boon Lay 12.6km
Choa Chu Kang-Tuas Link 14km
Bukit Batok-Joo Koon 7.2km
Unfortunately, none of the combinations can be provided under the distance stated above.
Woodlands to Boon Lay takes about 19km,
Choa Chu Kang to Tuas Link takes about 17km, and
Bukit Batok to Joo Koon takes about 12km.
In the west, MRT is faster for inter-town travel.
The only exceptions are Boon Lay to King Albert Park, and Lim Chu Kang to Jurong West and Woodlands.
If LTA could provide a bus service that originates at Boon Lay and loops at King Albert Park, via the shortest route, that bus service would provide the fastest public transport connection between Boon Lay and King Albert Park, and provide Jurong residents an alternative to the East-West Line.
Boon Lay to King Albert Park via the shortest route (10.8km; via Boon Lay Way) would take about 24mins. On the MRT, it takes 36mins. On bus 174, it takes 50mins.
If LTA could introduce a bus service from Boon Lay to King Albert Park, that bus service would be popular.
Originally posted by SG1131L:Anyway, I have checked.
969 is popular, probably because it offers the same travel time to Yishun, and just 10mins longer travel time to Woodlands, as compared to the MRT.
And, the distance per travel time is about 0.45km/min.
Going by that basis, the maximum travel length for the following inter-town bus routes (in order to be comparable to MRT) has to be the following,
Woodlands-Boon Lay 12.6km
Choa Chu Kang-Tuas Link 14km
Bukit Batok-Joo Koon 7.2km
Unfortunately, none of the combinations can be provided under the distance stated above.
Woodlands to Boon Lay takes about 19km,
Choa Chu Kang to Tuas Link takes about 17km, and
Bukit Batok to Joo Koon takes about 12km.
In the west, MRT is faster for inter-town travel.
The only exceptions are Boon Lay to King Albert Park, and Lim Chu Kang to Jurong West and Woodlands.
If LTA could provide a bus service that originates at Boon Lay and loops at King Albert Park, via the shortest route, that bus service would provide the fastest public transport connection between Boon Lay and King Albert Park, and provide Jurong residents an alternative to the East-West Line.
Boon Lay to King Albert Park via the shortest route (10.8km; via Boon Lay Way) would take about 24mins. On the MRT, it takes 36mins. On bus 174, it takes 50mins.
If LTA could introduce a bus service from Boon Lay to King Albert Park, that bus service would be popular.
Hi mr SG1131L, I thought service 154 currently serves this purpose? Cheers. Thanks.
Originally posted by dupdup77:Hi mr SG1131L, I thought service 154 currently serves this purpose? Cheers. Thanks.
154 from Boon Lay to King Albert Park - 62mins; longer than 174 (49mins), 157 (51mins) and MRT (36mins) to travel the same section.
I understand that Google Maps suggests taking MRT to Clementi and transferring to 154. But this option takes about 37mins and is subjected to the traffic condition along Clementi Road.
The bus service I recommended would be a better option.
No offence, but why do i feel SG1131L talking rocket science... Probably it is late at night my mind blur alr hahaha.
No offence again, but i feel ure trying vry hard to justify why 974 is not a "close-to-ideal" route. It's alright, some of us will rage at diff introduction of new routes, just like back then when 110 was introduced
How do you even travel from BNL to KAP by train? Change at Bugs?
EWL to Buona Vista, CCL to Botanic Gardens, DTL to King Albert Park.
Originally posted by SG1131L:EWL to Buona Vista, CCL to Botanic Gardens, DTL to King Albert Park.
To me, it seems pretty much pointless. I believe there are others who agree with my assessment.
Originally posted by CZT:No offence, but why do i feel SG1131L talking rocket science... Probably it is late at night my mind blur alr hahaha.
No offence again, but i feel ure trying vry hard to justify why 974 is not a "close-to-ideal" route. It's alright, some of us will rage at diff introduction of new routes, just like back then when 110 was introduced
I feel that 171 can be rationalised and its YIS-BPJ section can go to 974, making it a YIS to JK through route. Hillview to CBD portion can be covered by 67, whose LTI-TAM portion can be easily covered by 65. There is always DTL and 66 to tank some of the load between Bedok Reservoir and CBD.
Originally posted by SG1131L:68 commencing tomorrow (Sunday). Any comments?
Already a clear hint that there is no long distance trunk svc in future.Express or Premium maybe yes.They are thinking that the rail will take care of long distance routes.68 is just another feeder-like trunk svc.SG5911-13,SG5918-5920 all already cleaned and test so expect to see a few A95s tomorrow.I am doing the Yard Parking at Lydep and occasionally Budep.
Originally posted by carbikebus:Already a clear hint that there is no long distance trunk svc in future.Express or Premium maybe yes.They are thinking that the rail will take care of long distance routes.68 is just another feeder-like trunk svc.SG5911-13,SG5918-5920 all already cleaned and test so expect to see a few A95s tomorrow.I am doing the Yard Parking at Lydep and occasionally Budep.
There will be long-distance trunk routes in future.
LTA has said that it is considering having more bus services along main MRT sections, especially during peak periods, to accommodate to the MRT maintenance and renewal works. (Source)
Already, we have long-distance bus routes 12e, 147e and 974 launched after BSEP.
True, 974 is the only long-distance trunk route launched so far, but I believe there will be more long-distance trunk routes launched in future.
Looking at past trends, the long-distance trunk routes launched by LTA are all between 16-21km from one point to another, and are all in two directions.
117 - 20.5km/20.3km
118 - 16.0km/16.4km
129 - 20.2km/20.7km
974 - 18.0km/17.4km
I expect future inter-town trunks to have the same length, of about 16-21km.
Limited-stops services, on the other hand, have no apparent distance range.
12e - 25.9km/25.7km
147e - 14.2km/14.0km
They are basically just duplicating their parent bus service, and running express along the way.
Originally posted by SG1131L:There will be long-distance trunk routes in future.
LTA has said that it is considering having more bus services along main MRT sections, especially during peak periods, to accommodate to the MRT maintenance and renewal works. (Source)
Already, we have long-distance bus routes 12e, 147e and 974 launched after BSEP.
True, 974 is the only long-distance trunk route launched so far, but I believe there will be more long-distance trunk routes launched in future.
12e,147e is an express service,I don’t call 974 as long distance route.Its just only mid haul route with a portion using KJE.
My definition of long routes is above 24km per direction.Svc like 5 etc..
Originally posted by carbikebus:12e,147e is an express service,I don’t call 974 as long distance route.Its just only mid haul route with a portion using KJE.
My definition of long routes is above 24km per direction.Svc like 5 etc..
Chey. If that’s the case, going by the definition that “long routes are above 24km per direction�, yes, there is probably no long-distance trunk service in future.
Originally posted by SG1131L:Chey. If that’s the case, going by the definition that “long routes are above 24km per direction”, yes, there is probably no long-distance trunk service in future.
Yes,That’s we measured how long distance is.Sadly our so called long distance routes is too windings,Doesnt really supplement rail at all thus the need of more bridging buses.Examples svc 51 & 61 which both I’ve drive before.We need something like 857,966 which is more direct.
By the way my guess fleet for svc 68 is majority DD(A95/B9TL) and a couple of SD.
For service 974 would be B9TL and Citaro