That negatively funny British Bus
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The advertisements would probably first peel off if the bus is overheated.Originally posted by TIB1186Z:Yeah wait until one or two Lance 245s start catching fires in the middle of the road and TIBS may then find that the money isn't really worth it, or the increased downtime when the engine overheats and the maintainance cost goes up. But heck, TIBS is selling those Brits already, so I think they are using them as trial purposes, and if there are no fires etc, they may consider installing them on the LAnce 211s. Can't imagine what will happen, it will be like adding fuel to the fire
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Oh no!! Lance 211 certainly can't take the heat. I hope Tibs will install the Lance 211 engines into the Lance 245s when they are going off.. heheheOriginally posted by TIB1186Z:Yeah wait until one or two Lance 245s start catching fires in the middle of the road and TIBS may then find that the money isn't really worth it, or the increased downtime when the engine overheats and the maintainance cost goes up. But heck, TIBS is selling those Brits already, so I think they are using them as trial purposes, and if there are no fires etc, they may consider installing them on the LAnce 211s. Can't imagine what will happen, it will be like adding fuel to the fire
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Yes, the black is to prevent visible soot buildup, also for easier detection of engine parts for maintainance. Do not forget that there is some ventilation area at the offside rear of the bus, so it would not be so badly ventilated. If the O405 can survive on that alone without blowing up like several Mk IVs and Mk IIs, why can't the Lance? It definitely has something to do with the engine.Originally posted by TIB1186Z:I agree. Not only the engine compartment of the LAnce 211 is painted black, almost the entire bottom is black, and the same goes for the Lance 245. In fact, most buses have black engine compartments, so that it is less likely to soot up apparently, and would make the engine more visible due to the contrast.
I think what causes the heat build up is not the colour, it is the vents at the back, got so small and so few rear vents, sure heat up one. Moreover, somebody is out of their minds to mount a rear ad over the vents of a few Lance 245s, dunno what's the freaking logic behind this. -
You must be crazy. There are only what, 20 Lance 211 engines available for 50 Lance 245s! Unless you expect TIBS to uprate the B211 engines!Originally posted by off_service:Oh no!! Lance 211 certainly can't take the heat. I hope Tibs will install the Lance 211 engines into the Lance 245s when they are going off.. hehehe -
Today, I noticed another defect on TIB1014L . The 2 fairings that are above the doors and supposed to cover the IR sensor and the door motors are left flinging to and fro as the bus rocks and rocks and it rotate and rotate like a freaking pendulum.....Anyway the driver is new and inexperienced---he misjudged the turn and nearly crashed into the rear of TIB1013P, and sent the standing pax experiencing the power of Newton's 1st Law......wait till the fairing club someone tall enough then maybe he will bother to screw it back.....Dunno who maintainance so lan, those half turn screw also dun bother to do it properly, but who cares about the LAnce 211, esp TIB1014L? Anyway the AC today at the front is weak but tolerable, not because the AC unit is serviced, but its raining thunderstorms outside.
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Wasn't even raining at Bishan, mind you! Oh, the panel covering the door cock mechanism, the door motors, door closing light wiring, etc? That's pretty common, mechanics doing stuff inside and forgetting to close it properly.Originally posted by TIB1186Z:Today, I noticed another defect on TIB1014L . The 2 fairings that are above the doors and supposed to cover the IR sensor and the door motors are left flinging to and fro as the bus rocks and rocks and it rotate and rotate like a freaking pendulum.....Anyway the driver is new and inexperienced---he misjudged the turn and nearly crashed into the rear of TIB1013P, and sent the standing pax experiencing the power of Newton's 1st Law......wait till the fairing club someone tall enough then maybe he will bother to screw it back.....Dunno who maintainance so lan, those half turn screw also dun bother to do it properly, but who cares about the LAnce 211, esp TIB1014L? Anyway the AC today at the front is weak but tolerable, not because the AC unit is serviced, but its raining thunderstorms outside. -
Ever heard of convectional rain? Localise but intense os Whitley sec., and that damn gate keeper close the gate on me in a heavy thunderstorm...have to walk another 15 mins out..Originally posted by SBS9818A:Wasn't even raining at Bishan, mind you! Oh, the panel covering the door cock mechanism, the door motors, door closing light wiring, etc? That's pretty common, mechanics doing stuff inside and forgetting to close it properly. -
No. I don't do pure Geography. Why, you forgot that fact so fast?Originally posted by TIB1186Z:Ever heard of convectional rain? Localise but intense os Whitley sec., and that damn gate keeper close the gate on me in a heavy thunderstorm...have to walk another 15 mins out.. -
Well, yesterday I got on TIB 1011U from the bus stop after Swiss Cottage Rd at 5pm(peak hour). OK, agreed the engine was hot,
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The aircon more than made up for the heat from the engine bay, and furthermore, the bus went like a rocket along Lornie Rd, just as I wished as I was trying to catch SBS 3554A from MacRitchie Reservoir(it's the only 2-axle LO with a Cummins LT10 engine instead of a Leyland TL11).
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Originally posted by SBS9818A:
TIB 1015 J was piping hot... not only hot... and the engine was giving out ALOT of heat.
Well, yesterday I got on TIB 1011U from the bus stop after Swiss Cottage Rd at 5pm(peak hour). OK, agreed the engine was hot,
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The aircon more than made up for the heat from the engine bay, and furthermore, the bus went like a rocket along Lornie Rd, just as I wished as I was trying to catch SBS 3554A from MacRitchie Reservoir(it's the only 2-axle LO with a Cummins LT10 engine instead of a Leyland TL11).
So this proves not ALL Lance 211s are bad. I have had nothing but good experiences on 1007H, 1010Y and 1011U.[/b]
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You do realise that the L113CRL/Alexander Strider, and L113CRL/ELBO use the same a/c systems as the O.405s and O.405Gs, don't you? Also, the reason why Scania 113's tend to shake so much is due to the immense amount of torque the engine produces, that it idles at a low rpm....this is normal, but a lower rpm means lower compression. Diesels alreay rattle because of the lower compression ratio as opposed to petrol, so imagine your Nissan Cedric Taxi with a 2.4 litre engine, and multiply that by 5 times, to get an 11 litre engine. plus some 12 times the torque. You get one very powerful monsterOriginally posted by oliver_yuen87:Air-condition on L113 is cold in the morning, but somehow it is not cold in the afternoon... sometimes there's a smell of dust *cough*. Usually the air-con "board" on L113 is loose and there's air-con leakage.. so the back isn't cold. accompanied with vibration...
Air-con on Bendy buses (esp. Habit) and Tibs MB O405 are still the best.
and that's the way it should be! Scanias are undoubtedly a good chassis, and have given Merc and Volvo a good run for their money, although their tapping into tiny 9 litre engines is not impressive. Even Volvo's new 7 litre citybuses aren't able to cope with hills, and have so little torque or power, they can't handle a 5 sdpeed gearbox, so they use a 4 speed ZF gearbox, which is what is used in the UD U31RCN and U31SCN, and the B10M Mk II. -
But the 9 liter Scania engines do seem powerful enough, don't they? SBS 2888T is one powerful Scania.Originally posted by Windy_hates_B10TLs:You do realise that the L113CRL/Alexander Strider, and L113CRL/ELBO use the same a/c systems as the O.405s and O.405Gs, don't you? Also, the reason why Scania 113's tend to shake so much is due to the immense amount of torque the engine produces, that it idles at a low rpm....this is normal, but a lower rpm means lower compression. Diesels alreay rattle because of the lower compression ratio as opposed to petrol, so imagine your Nissan Cedric Taxi with a 2.4 litre engine, and multiply that by 5 times, to get an 11 litre engine. plus some 12 times the torque. You get one very powerful monster and that's the way it should be! Scanias are undoubtedly a good chassis, and have given Merc and Volvo a good run for their money, although their tapping into tiny 9 litre engines is not impressive. Even Volvo's new 7 litre citybuses aren't able to cope with hills, and have so little torque or power, they can't handle a 5 sdpeed gearbox, so they use a 4 speed ZF gearbox, which is what is used in the UD U31RCN and U31SCN, and the B10M Mk II. -
HAH! Try the governing of the speed of the bus. High revving engine, lots of heat built up.... If that is the case, then no vents in the engine hatch can make a difference. You can have the bus go into service with no hatch (wouldn't that be nice!Originally posted by TIB1186Z:I agree. Not only the engine compartment of the LAnce 211 is painted black, almost the entire bottom is black, and the same goes for the Lance 245. In fact, most buses have black engine compartments, so that it is less likely to soot up apparently, and would make the engine more visible due to the contrast.
I think what causes the heat build up is not the colour, it is the vents at the back, got so small and so few rear vents, sure heat up one. Moreover, somebody is out of their minds to mount a rear ad over the vents of a few Lance 245s, dunno what's the freaking logic behind this.
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Give singapore a few hills, and then tell me if you think it is still powerful. Better still, lets see it go up mount faber, and not drop any road speed. A Scania L113 or N113 could easily get up that without dropping a gear. So could a B57!Originally posted by SBS9818A:But the 9 liter Scania engines do seem powerful enough, don't they? SBS 2888T is one powerful Scania. -
Yes I do agree the vents have no difference in the heat generated by the engine, it is the amount of stress generated by the governing of the engine. Stupid LTA.Originally posted by Windy_hates_B10TLs:HAH! Try the governing of the speed of the bus. High revving engine, lots of heat built up.... If that is the case, then no vents in the engine hatch can make a difference. You can have the bus go into service with no hatch (wouldn't that be nice! ) and it won't make a licking difference.