I got your point. No need to try to get your point through so many times. Still I don't agree with you. Every bus companies have their own way of doing things.Originally posted by SBS9818A:OK. Without your 3-axle LO would there be the existence of your favourite VSO? NO! So you should be crediting the LO for the existence of the VSO. Otherwise we'd be all taking B7TLs and what-not.
OK, let's say SBST went the Dennis route, they ordered Dragons and Tridents, I believe you'd be drooling over the Tridents had they done so.Originally posted by off_service:I got your point. No need to try to get your point through so many times. Still I don't agree with you. Every bus companies have their own way of doing things.
I prefer Tridents over LO 3 axles.Originally posted by SBS9818A:OK, let's say SBST went the Dennis route, they ordered Dragons and Tridents, I believe you'd be drooling over the Tridents had they done so.
Watch it!B7TLs are good and have euro 2 standard!And if there hadn't been the leyland olympian chassis,Volvo would still buy the Cummis engine and improve it.Originally posted by SBS9818A:OK. Without your 3-axle LO would there be the existence of your favourite VSO? NO! So you should be crediting the LO for the existence of the VSO. Otherwise we'd be all taking B7TLs and what-not.
No no no...Originally posted by SBS9810X:Watch it!B7TLs are good and have euro 2 standard!And if there hadn't been the leyland olympian chassis,Volvo would still buy the Cummis engine and improve it.
I beg to differ something. Double decker buses do have heavy steering as the weight have the bus is really heavy. As a result, drivers tend to use 2 hands to steer the steering wheel. In fact, from many mouths of the SBS Transit drivers, they find that Volvo Double Deck buses steering are much lighter as the Leyland Olympian 3 Axle.Originally posted by SBS9818A:You want heavy steering? Fine! Volvo buses have a characteristic which is heavy steering, the bus driver must TURN AND TURN AND TURN to get his front axle in the desired position while the other bus drivers who are lucky not to get Volvos can do it in one or two flicks of the hand. LO steering is heavy but not as bad as Volvos.
I like the farting when it changes gear, it is partly due to the gearbox, but that is what makes it my favourite, it is a characteristic and CANNOT be changed.
Why on earth would Volvo buy over the Cummins engine and put it in their production buses? They'd rather throw in a TD102KF or a DH10, mind you.Originally posted by SBS9810X:Watch it!B7TLs are good and have euro 2 standard!And if there hadn't been the leyland olympian chassis,Volvo would still buy the Cummis engine and improve it.
But Volvo steering is horrible! Bus drivers turn and turn and turn just to get the same angle of turn as an O405 driver who can do it in what, two flicks of the hand!Originally posted by SBS9816E:I beg to differ something. Double decker buses do have heavy steering as the weight have the bus is really heavy. As a result, drivers tend to use 2 hands to steer the steering wheel. In fact, from many mouths of the SBS Transit drivers, they find that Volvo Double Deck buses steering are much lighter as the Leyland Olympian 3 Axle.
All 3-axle LOs ARE in good condition. At least they still work unlike certain VSOs(SBS 9800A, SBS 9840J).Originally posted by SBS9816E:Actually, there are some LO 3 Axles that are in good conditions. One of them is SBS 9181 C, on Sv 55. Its condition is still in tip top condition.
If the steering of a double deck is so light, the bus might get just too dangerous to handle properly. IMO, The steering of Volvo double deck is just right for a double deck.Originally posted by SBS9818A:But Volvo steering is horrible! Bus drivers turn and turn and turn just to get the same angle of turn as an O405 driver who can do it in what, two flicks of the hand!
By your judgement the 3-axle LOs would even be safer, would it not? So why you making such comments when your beloved Volvos are infallible to this condition too?Originally posted by off_service:If the steering of a double deck is so light, the bus might get just too dangerous to handle properly. IMO, The steering of Volvo double deck is just right for a double deck.
The steering for Volvos are fine, but the steering of LO 3 axles are far too heavy. That's what many drivers said and they preferred Volvos double decks over LO 3 axles.Originally posted by SBS9818A:By your judgement the 3-axle LOs would even be safer, would it not? So why you making such comments when your beloved Volvos are infallible to this condition too?
But safety comes with a price. Have you even seen a LO crashing? By contrast VOs have crashed.Originally posted by off_service:The steering for Volvos are fine, but the steering of LO 3 axles are far too heavy. That's what many drivers said and they preferred Volvos double decks over LO 3 axles.
Technically you could say that. However it is partly due to other factors and not necessarily steering, but it does play some part. For instance a driver who is used to a bus with hard steering transitions to one with lighter steering he may tend to misjudge and overturn, possibly losing control even.Originally posted by TIB1186Z:True, remember that not too long ago a TIBS 0405 crashed and killed someone because it got out of control?
However, remember that many Scanias and DAFs that have heavier steering also crashed also. Look at TIB700X--a nice momento.
If SBST has Volvos then TIBS has its Lances, where drivers also TURN AND TURN AND TURN and got heavy steering also. I need not elaborate more---TIB939 and the LAnce 245 on svc 853 that lost control and crashed into a tree recently speak volumes.
Hence, I don't think you can judge the relative safety of buses by their steering, as they have their fair share of accidents. It mainly depends on the skills and experience of the bus drivers, and such factors are usually rather minimal by comparison