Differentiating Voith and ZF gearboxes
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I think about 20 SBST O405s have Voith, from SBS 562 - SBS 581R? I'm not sure about it.Originally posted by TIB1186Z:
Admittedly, it takes a bit of courage and "thick-faced" when doing all these bus related stuff.
The easiest and surest way to know the gear box is to look at the driver's dashboard. Most of the MB0405s, Volvos have the gear-change at the dashboard, and look out for 3 buttons "DNR" arranged horizontally. Besides these buttons there is usually either a circle with ZF inside to say the bus is ZF-ed, and if there is a word Voith in caps, then it is Voith-ed. However, most of SBST MB0405s do not have these symbols because of they have MB gearboxes.
It takes a bit of craze to actually trace the gaer changes when relaxing or studying on the bus, and it sort of becoming natural after some time. For me, to differentiate the gearbox, I normally listen to the first gear change and the retareder.
If the first gear change is sharp and goes like "piiiiooooooooouuur", then it is definitely ZF
If it is muted, then it is Voith or MB, and they can be differentiated by their retarder
If there is a nice whistling sound as the bus decelerates, it is Voith. If there are 3 stages of "whoooooo..." then it is MB for SBST0405s
If there is no distinct sound but you can hear the gear "dropping" back to neutral, then it is ZF
The endangered LO2-Ax have Allisons.
Some of the SBST DM 0405s have Voiths instead of MBs
Hope to be of help
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Originally posted by TIB1186Z: Admittedly, it takes a bit of courage and "thick-faced" when doing all these bus related stuff.
The easiest and surest way to know the gear box is to look at the driver's dashboard. Most of the MB0405s, Volvos have the gear-change at the dashboard, and look out for 3 buttons "DNR" arranged horizontally. Besides these buttons there is usually either a circle with ZF inside to say the bus is ZF-ed, and if there is a word Voith in caps, then it is Voith-ed. However, most of SBST MB0405s do not have these symbols because of they have MB gearboxes.
It takes a bit of craze to actually trace the gaer changes when relaxing or studying on the bus, and it sort of becoming natural after some time. For me, to differentiate the gearbox, I normally listen to the first gear change and the retareder.
If the first gear change is sharp and goes like "piiiiooooooooouuur", then it is definitely ZF
If it is muted, then it is Voith or MB, and they can be differentiated by their retarder
If there is a nice whistling sound as the bus decelerates, it is Voith. If there are 3 stages of "whoooooo..." then it is MB for SBST0405s
If there is no distinct sound but you can hear the gear "dropping" back to neutral, then it is ZF
The endangered LO2-Ax have Allisons.
Some of the SBST DM 0405s have Voiths instead of MBs
Hope to be of help -
hi,
True indeed and thks for the info!!
I agree that we need to be thick-faced as bus enthusiasts...
Even my friends give me a weird look when i tell them of my interest in buses and public transport!!
When I photograph buses in Spore, many people stared and I had to overcome the feeling of being stared...
But now, I intend to save $$ and buy a digital video cam to film the buses, coz I find that camera is very limited to display all the bus beauty!! With a video cam, I can film the buses in action, hear the engine sounds and film the entire interior...
HAHA!!!!
I like Scania 113!!! -
Video cams are a waste of money, IMO. They can't take as good photos as digital still cams, and their main purpose is to film, unless you want to upload the video from an entire journey of let's say, Sv. 56 for all to see? Images are more practical, IMO. And you can do artistic effects which video cams can't do.Originally posted by SBS3688Y:hi,
True indeed and thks for the info!!
I agree that we need to be thick-faced as bus enthusiasts...
Even my friends give me a weird look when i tell them of my interest in buses and public transport!!
When I photograph buses in Spore, many people stared and I had to overcome the feeling of being stared...
But now, I intend to save $$ and buy a digital video cam to film the buses, coz I find that camera is very limited to display all the bus beauty!! With a video cam, I can film the buses in action, hear the engine sounds and film the entire interior...
HAHA!!!!
I like Scania 113!!! -
Well the best perhaps is to build a model of your fav bus and you can look at/ pose / gaze / take photo of it etc as much as you want heheOriginally posted by SBS9818A:Video cams are a waste of money, IMO. They can't take as good photos as digital still cams, and their main purpose is to film, unless you want to upload the video from an entire journey of let's say, Sv. 56 for all to see? Images are more practical, IMO. And you can do artistic effects which video cams can't do.
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True, I do that with model aircraft. However, it takes quite a bit of skill and patience to build one......taking photos may be a much easier way out to sastify oneself's interestOriginally posted by AntiDennisLance:Well the best perhaps is to build a model of your fav bus and you can look at/ pose / gaze / take photo of it etc as much as you want hehe -
How come some SBST buses have an additional air-conditioning unit mounted on some Mercedes O405 buses?? And for the interior, there's an additional big air-conditioning unit mounted at the ceiling...
I mean those buses that under retrofitment years back, such as SBS561T, SBS500A. I remembered many of such buses used to serve route 79....
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Hahaz, yeah, people do give me the 'blur' look when I tell them my hobby is to do with buses. Their first response is 'Huh?'
Anyway, I'm serious about building the various bus models in Singapore, but I just don't know how to go about building the scale models. Can anyone advise me on this?
I used to collect bus tickets, but it's more difficult now due to EZ-Link. Not many can be found around nowadays.
I didn't know that the SBST MB 0405 buses have got Voith gearboxes, I thought all of them used MB. By the way, what gearbox does the VO, Volvo MKII, MKIII and MK4 use? Do the VSO, Tridents, Scania N113s and certain MK4's (the newest ones with pink seats, not Strider) use Voith gearboxes as well?
What gearbox does the TIBS MB405G and Mercedes Hispano use? Why do some TIBS MB 405 go into the second gear earlier than others?
TIBS Service 804's TIB 575 R also has a unique engine sound. I identified that it uses ZF. Very cool, I think it's only bus with such a turbulent and 'strong' engine. Coincidently, the driver's name is a "Ram". -
SBST's MB O.405 have been using a Mercedes Benz Gearbox all along, since its introduction way back in the 1990. The Scania N113CRB, VO 2 Axle, Mk 3, Mk 4 DM 3500 (New ones, with pink seats) are fitted with Voith Gearbox. The Vo 3 Axle, Volvo Mk 2, Mk 4 Strider and DM are using ZF. Newer buses such as the VSO and Tridents are fitted with Voith too.Originally posted by mercedes_hispano:Hahaz, yeah, people do give me the 'blur' look when I tell them my hobby is to do with buses. Their first response is 'Huh?'
Anyway, I'm serious about building the various bus models in Singapore, but I just don't know how to go about building the scale models. Can anyone advise me on this?
I used to collect bus tickets, but it's more difficult now due to EZ-Link. Not many can be found around nowadays.
I didn't know that the SBST MB 0405 buses have got Voith gearboxes, I thought all of them used MB. By the way, what gearbox does the VO, Volvo MKII, MKIII and MK4 use? Do the VSO, Tridents, Scania N113s and certain MK4's (the newest ones with pink seats, not Strider) use Voith gearboxes as well?
What gearbox does the TIBS MB405G and Mercedes Hispano use? Why do some TIBS MB 405 go into the second gear earlier than others?
TIBS Service 804's TIB 575 R also has a unique engine sound. I identified that it uses ZF. Very cool, I think it's only bus with such a turbulent and 'strong' engine. Coincidently, the driver's name is a "Ram".
The TIBS O.405 are using ZF Gearbox, and ZF has a unique gear change, whereby it changes its gears rather fast without revving too much.
TIBS O.405G are mostly using ZF, but a large proportion of Habits and all the Volgren O.405G are using Voith. -
Wanna build bus models? Check out this website: http://phoenix.wahlao.com/sbmwOriginally posted by mercedes_hispano:Hahaz, yeah, people do give me the 'blur' look when I tell them my hobby is to do with buses. Their first response is 'Huh?'
Anyway, I'm serious about building the various bus models in Singapore, but I just don't know how to go about building the scale models. Can anyone advise me on this? -
You are mistaken. About 20 O405s have a Voith gearbox. For instance, 576G, 577D, 564R, 570Y, 571U, 573P, 574L.Originally posted by SBS9816E:SBST's MB O.405 have been using a Mercedes Benz Gearbox all along, since its introduction way back in the 1990. The Scania N113CRB, VO 2 Axle, Mk 3, Mk 4 DM 3500 (New ones, with pink seats) are fitted with Voith Gearbox. The Vo 3 Axle, Volvo Mk 2, Mk 4 Strider and DM are using ZF. Newer buses such as the VSO and Tridents are fitted with Voith too.
The TIBS O.405 are using ZF Gearbox, and ZF has a unique gear change, whereby it changes its gears rather fast without revving too much.
TIBS O.405G are mostly using ZF, but a large proportion of Habits and all the Volgren O.405G are using Voith. -
But the TIBS 0405Gs that are fitted with Voiths are very much comparable to those with ZFs, if not better for some. Although they change gear rather late, they accelearate quickly. I also observe that many older HAbits with Voiths are comparably quieter than their newer ZF-ed Habits, such as TIB1048 that went on svc 806 todayOriginally posted by SBS9816E:SBST's MB O.405 have been using a Mercedes Benz Gearbox all along, since its introduction way back in the 1990. The Scania N113CRB, VO 2 Axle, Mk 3, Mk 4 DM 3500 (New ones, with pink seats) are fitted with Voith Gearbox. The Vo 3 Axle, Volvo Mk 2, Mk 4 Strider and DM are using ZF. Newer buses such as the VSO and Tridents are fitted with Voith too.
The TIBS O.405 are using ZF Gearbox, and ZF has a unique gear change, whereby it changes its gears rather fast without revving too much.
TIBS O.405G are mostly using ZF, but a large proportion of Habits and all the Volgren O.405G are using Voith., not forgetting the newest buses such as TIB1234T that is a crowd favourite that is also Voith-ed.
In conclusion, i like the second gear change of the ZF "piiiiiioooooooourrr" as much as the nice whistling retarder of the Voith -
WHAT!? Is that true?! I thought that those MB O.405 are just with its MB Gearbox, which may not change the gear as it is like.Originally posted by SBS9818A:You are mistaken. About 20 O405s have a Voith gearbox. For instance, 576G, 577D, 564R, 570Y, 571U, 573P, 574L. -
Yes, they are Voith-geared. You can tell by the way it changes gear and the sound of the retarder during deceleration. Those with MB gearbox will go "whoo...whoooooo..whoooo" while the Voiths have a whistling sound.Originally posted by SBS9816E:WHAT!? Is that true?! I thought that those MB O.405 are just with its MB Gearbox, which may not change the gear as it is like. -
Yeah, you are right. I took SBS564R (Service 168 ) and yes, it has a Voith gearbox.Originally posted by SBS9818A:You are mistaken. About 20 O405s have a Voith gearbox. For instance, 576G, 577D, 564R, 570Y, 571U, 573P, 574L.
Cheers and warm regards -
From Sv. 410, Sv. 54, Sv. 56. This guy is a Bishan roamer, don't know why it decided to go on Sv. 168 today.Originally posted by Superbus:Yeah, you are right. I took SBS564R (Service 168 ) and yes, it has a Voith gearbox.
Cheers and warm regards