TIBS fleet changes
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OK, interesting, pity there are no photos available. Looks like they were used on Yishun feeders, and if I recall this happened around 1985 from other people's info? For how long were they used and what buses replaced them? Imagine seeing a SBS OF1417 in TIBS livery, would be fantastic.Originally posted by AntiDennisLance:Yes definitely OF1417's. Distinctive engine noise and higher floorboard than the B57's. And the merc logo on the radiator for confirmation. And some of their license plates, as far as I can remember, are:
SBS 1632 X
SBS 5574 D
SBS 5576 Z
SBS 5577 X
SBS 5583 G
They were leased to TIBS for normal route duties and considered part of TIB's operational fleet during the period of lease so obviously they were driven by TIBS drivers themselves.
They were used mostly in Sembawang and Yishun services as substitute buses. 169, 167, 800, 801, 802, 803 etc. They could only be used in these services because TIBS only printed the desto plates for these services specially for use on the OF1417's.
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AFAIK TIBS and SBST have different desto plate styles, don't they? But I thought they used the square slot cards in the earlier days? -
They were used for about a year or so. In fact the OF1417's were only part one of the solution to their shortage of buses. Part two were the terrible Hino BF177G's taken from CSS/SSB. Remember those Hino's with engines in the front and the exit door all the way at the back? They took 18 of the buses from CSS to be put into TIBS. If you thought the Dennis Lance is deplorable, then the BF177's were simply Hellish.Originally posted by SBS9818A:OK, interesting, pity there are no photos available. Looks like they were used on Yishun feeders, and if I recall this happened around 1985 from other people's info? For how long were they used and what buses replaced them? Imagine seeing a SBS OF1417 in TIBS livery, would be fantastic.
AFAIK TIBS and SBST have different desto plate styles, don't they? But I thought they used the square slot cards in the earlier days?
The OF1417's were never replaced after they were returned to SBS. TIBS cut their services to address the shortage of buses instead. Services 164 was cut and that freed up about 16 buses.
Actually 164 got cut because Clemenceau Ave was sealed off to make for for CTE. Which worked into TIB's favour. No need to buy new buses. Heh. -
Oh yes, the Hinos with exit at the rear like coach body! Wonder why TIBS were so short of buses then, because of too rapid expansion and bus shortages? Which means they had leased about 30-odd buses from SBS and CSS? What was Sv. 164 route like before and after the cuts?Originally posted by AntiDennisLance:They were used for about a year or so. In fact the OF1417's were only part one of the solution to their shortage of buses. Part two were the terrible Hino BF177G's taken from CSS/SSB. Remember those Hino's with engines in the front and the exit door all the way at the back? They took 18 of the buses from CSS to be put into TIBS. If you thought the Dennis Lance is deplorable, then the BF177's were simply Hellish.
The OF1417's were never replaced after they were returned to SBS. TIBS cut their services to address the shortage of buses instead. Services 164 was cut and that freed up about 16 buses.
Actually 164 got cut because Clemenceau Ave was sealed off to make for for CTE. Which worked into TIB's favour. No need to buy new buses. Heh.
So I surmise after the cut of Sv. 164 the SBS OF1413s were returned to SBS while the Hino BF177Gs remained with TIBS? If I recall correctly Clemenceau Ave was reopened in 1990s with an exit from the CTE, only for the exit to be sealed again shortly after? Wonder where does the exit lead to now as everytime I pass by it I see sunlight, but on the ground surface it has been sealed. -
OF1417, not OF1413 :p totally different buses, mind you.Originally posted by SBS9818A:Oh yes, the Hinos with exit at the rear like coach body! Wonder why TIBS were so short of buses then, because of too rapid expansion and bus shortages? Which means they had leased about 30-odd buses from SBS and CSS? What was Sv. 164 route like before and after the cuts?
So I surmise after the cut of Sv. 164 the SBS OF1413s were returned to SBS while the Hino BF177Gs remained with TIBS? If I recall correctly Clemenceau Ave was reopened in 1990s with an exit from the CTE, only for the exit to be sealed again shortly after? Wonder where does the exit lead to now as everytime I pass by it I see sunlight, but on the ground surface it has been sealed.
TIBS ran into shortage due to expansion of ridership.. not expansion of service. Service 804 load was getting heavier and heavier with neighbourhood 4 of Yishun booming up. And more people needed services from Woodlands to downtown. Woodlands was also crazily growing in population. And then there was the new service 805.
The BF177's were not really leased from CSS. TIBS did pay CSS the lease but CSS and TIBS were (and IS) the same company! The money transfer were more for accounting purposes. The BF177's had TIBS regos and NOT CSS regos. TIB362M to TIB 379R. Later on the Nissan U31RCN's re-used regos TIB362M to TIB377X. Good riddance to the BF177's.
Service 164 was not cut. It was totally withdrawn. Cancelled. Killed. Zip. At the same moment when 164 was cancelled, service 161 bit the stick and gave up all its Nissan U31S's and received a full fleet of all 18 BF177's in addtion to one solitary RK176 (TIB40S) in return. And not very much after that (when MRT came to Yishun), service 161 was withdrawn too. And that moment spelt the true end of the BF177's too.
So 3 things happened at one go in about 1987/1988 at the end of the recession:
1. 164 was cancelled
2. OF1417's returned to SBS
3. 161 became fully BF177
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'Originally posted by AntiDennisLance:OF1417, not OF1413 :p totally different buses, mind you.
TIBS ran into shortage due to expansion of ridership.. not expansion of service. Service 804 load was getting heavier and heavier with neighbourhood 4 of Yishun booming up. And more people needed services from Woodlands to downtown. Woodlands was also crazily growing in population. And then there was the new service 805.
The BF177's were not really leased from CSS. TIBS did pay CSS the lease but CSS and TIBS were (and IS) the same company! The money transfer were more for accounting purposes. The BF177's had TIBS regos and NOT CSS regos. TIB362M to TIB 379R. Later on the Nissan U31RCN's re-used regos TIB362M to TIB377X. Good riddance to the BF177's.
Service 164 was not cut. It was totally withdrawn. Cancelled. Killed. Zip. At the same moment when 164 was cancelled, service 161 bit the stick and gave up all its Nissan U31S's and received a full fleet of all 18 BF177's in addtion to one solitary RK176 (TIB40S) in return. And not very much after that (when MRT came to Yishun), service 161 was withdrawn too. And that moment spelt the true end of the BF177's too.
So 3 things happened at one go in about 1987/1988 at the end of the recession:
1. 164 was cancelled
2. OF1417's returned to SBS
3. 161 became fully BF177
3a. BF177's kept fully away from other TIBS services
Sorry sorry, type too fast. So the BF177s were actually sublet to CSS from TIBS and forced back to TIBS when they needed buses? Ironically TIBS was set up by CSS and eventually the latter got taken over by TIBS! No wonder the U31RCNs recycled registration numbers. So TIB 380P is the first DAF SB220LT, as judging by the regos the DAFs are newer but we all know that's not the case.
Judging from your comments the BF177s were withdrawn in 1991 before the arrival of brand-new U31RCNs? What were the routes of Sv. 161 and Sv. 164 like? So to say the BF177s were "transferred" to TIBS, forced to return them and "died" with TIBS withdrawal of Sv. 161? -
The BF177's were not sublet to CSS.. they were in the original CSS fleet before TIBS bought over CSS. The first DAF SB220LT was TIB 391D noit 380K. TIB380K to TIB389L were Hino HT238 OAC's running on services 950/951 before transferred to CSS and recently scrapped. TIB390G was a solitary Nissan U31SCN OAC given free to TIBS from nissan and is now in CSS as CSS294H.Originally posted by SBS9818A:'
Sorry sorry, type too fast. So the BF177s were actually sublet to CSS from TIBS and forced back to TIBS when they needed buses? Ironically TIBS was set up by CSS and eventually the latter got taken over by TIBS! No wonder the U31RCNs recycled registration numbers. So TIB 380P is the first DAF SB220LT, as judging by the regos the DAFs are newer but we all know that's not the case.
Judging from your comments the BF177s were withdrawn in 1991 before the arrival of brand-new U31RCNs? What were the routes of Sv. 161 and Sv. 164 like? So to say the BF177s were "transferred" to TIBS, forced to return them and "died" with TIBS withdrawal of Sv. 161?
The BF177's were not returned to CSS. They really died with 161.
161 and 164 were both from Sembawang Road End Terminal.
161 ran like the current 980 and 167 joined together, which stopped at shenton way.
164 ran via clemenceau ave and continued with the current 143 route to New Bridge Road Terminal.
After 161 was withdrawn then 167 was pulled form Adm Road West terminal to Sembawang Road End terminal.
And yeah, 980 was formerly 160.
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OK, understood, but if the BF177s were with CSS, why register them with TIB suffix and not SH or CSS suffix? To prepare for an eventual transfer of the buses to TIBS or what? So the current 294H is a like "buy 50-get-1-free" kind of deal from Nissan Diesel?Originally posted by AntiDennisLance:The BF177's were not sublet to CSS.. they were in the original CSS fleet before TIBS bought over CSS. The first DAF SB220LT was TIB 391D noit 380K. TIB380K to TIB389L were Hino HT238 OAC's running on services 950/951 before transferred to CSS and recently scrapped. TIB390G was a solitary Nissan U31SCN OAC given free to TIBS from nissan and is now in CSS as CSS294H.
The BF177's were not returned to CSS. They really died with 161.
161 and 164 were both from Sembawang Road End Terminal.
161 ran like the current 980 and 167 joined together, which stopped at shenton way.
164 ran via clemenceau ave and continued with the current 143 route to New Bridge Road Terminal.
After 161 was withdrawn then 167 was pulled form Adm Road West terminal to Sembawang Road End terminal.
And yeah, 980 was formerly 160.
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The BF177's originally had CSS rego plates. It is only after they were transferred to TIBS and painted with TIBS colours before they had their regos re-registered as TIBS numbers.Originally posted by SBS9818A:OK, understood, but if the BF177s were with CSS, why register them with TIB suffix and not SH or CSS suffix? To prepare for an eventual transfer of the buses to TIBS or what? So the current 294H is a like "buy 50-get-1-free" kind of deal from Nissan Diesel?
I am not too sure about TIB390G/CSS294H, I think it was a gimmick from Nissan to persuade TIBS to choose them over Hino. Nissan was facing stiff competition from Hino for a 10 aircon bus tender which eventually resulted in TIBS buying 10 HT238 OACs in the form of TIB380K to TIB389L. Or it may be a complimentary bus from Nissan as a form of thanks, since TIBS bought so many U31's from them.
It wasnt totally free either, TIBS still had to fork out some money for COE, road tax, insurance, PARF/ARF etc etc though they got the bus for free. -
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Changes yet again
From KJDEP to WDLDEP
- TIB 425R (Last seen on Svc 963 on 08/08/2003)
- TIB 426M (Last seen on Svc 970 on 09/08/2003) -
Recent new observations:
AMKDEP to WDLDEP
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TIB 1073 R - ex-61, currently free agent at WDL
KJDEP to AMKDEP
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TIB 769 Z - currently free agent, spotted once on 851 (broken down)
AMKDEP to KJDEP
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TIB 1097 Y - remains in 106 but is now based in KJDEP instead of AMKDEP. 106 is no longer served by AMKDEP. -
I remembered TIB769Z had once belonged to WDLDEP, and being deployed on Service 75. Then it had disappeared for quite some time when I found it on the feeder services at Woodlands Interchange. Then it disappeared again, and found it eventually on Service 61, knowing that TIB769Z must have landed up at either KJDEP or AMKDEP. Currently free agent ? It must have been. I thought it was deployed on Service 61, but often saw it without the Service number placed at the rear of the busOriginally posted by AntiDennisLance:Recent new observations:
AMKDEP to WDLDEP
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TIB 1073 R - ex-61, currently free agent at WDL
KJDEP to AMKDEP
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TIB 769 Z - currently free agent, spotted once on 851 (broken down)
AMKDEP to KJDEP
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TIB 1097 Y - remains in 106 but is now based in KJDEP instead of AMKDEP. 106 is no longer served by AMKDEP.
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TIB 1076 H, ex service 61 bus, is now officially in Woodlands Depot. Seen on service 900 today.
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Today is the first week day since the withdrawal of 520 and introduction of 67C.
Broadly speaking, the withdrawal of 520 enabled service 851 to have a more normal and manageable schedule and perhaps a more bendy-friendly schedule. Previously the planners had to interspede 8 of 851 12m buses to go on 520 during peak hours and retiring 8 more 851 buses (including some bendies) during off peak hours while the 8 12m's from 520 return to 851 after peak hours.
Today I am so pleasantly suprised! Monday (25 Aug) is Bendy-Galore weekday for service 851, with no less than 12 bendies spotted throughout the day. Previously such a phenomenon would have been thought possible only on a Sunday.
Bendies observed on 851:
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TIB 974 Y (spotted morning & evening)
TIB 984 T (spotted evening)
TIB 1023 K (spotted morning & evening)
TIB 1057 M (spotted morning & evening)
TIB 1081 S (spotted morning)
TIB 1096 A (spotted morning)
TIB 1098 U (spotted morning & evening)
TIB 1099 S (spotted morning & evening)
TIB 1100 X (spotted evening)
TIB 1138 M (spotted morning & evening)
TIB 1200 R (spotted evening)
TIB 1201 M (spotted evening)
As noted, many ex-106 bendys were on 851 today.
Lets hope this is for good and permanence.
Other observations:
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TIB 1113 J - 980 (usually on 851)
TIB 0364 H (!) - 854
Unidentified Lance 245 on 854
TIB 1208 U - 812
TIB 1055 T - 812
TIB 1124 C - 806
Unidentified Lance 245 on 969
svc 167 has a marked increase of O405's, including TIB 461 K and TIB 817 T.
svc 853 also has a marked increase of O405's.
It seems incredible the withdrawal of 520 could have benefitted so many services. If so then it surely have been a good thing.
There have been many new free agents floating around services and not settled anywhere. They are:
TIB 0940 U
TIB 0975 U
TIB 0976 S
TIB 1055 T
TIB 1208 U
TIB 1120 M
TIB 1124 C
TIB 1126 Y
TIB 1131 G
TIB 1137 R
TIB 1147 L
Seems like the cutting of 106 and withdrawal of 520 have produced many spare bendys.
25th Aug is really a day to remember for Yishunites. Hope TIBS will continue increasing their attention to Yishun and not to just keep on pampering WDL/CCK/BPJ/BBT. -
In case no one notices, TIB 972 C took over a Bendy Bus (Should be TIB 1111 P if I'm not wrong) during the evening peak.Originally posted by AntiDennisLance:Today is the first week day since the withdrawal of 520 and introduction of 67C.
Broadly speaking, the withdrawal of 520 enabled service 851 to have a more normal and manageable schedule and perhaps a more bendy-friendly schedule. Previously the planners had to interspede 8 of 851 12m buses to go on 520 during peak hours and retiring 8 more 851 buses (including some bendies) during off peak hours while the 8 12m's from 520 return to 851 after peak hours.
Today I am so pleasantly suprised! Monday (25 Aug) is Bendy-Galore weekday for service 851, with no less than 12 bendies spotted throughout the day. Previously such a phenomenon would have been thought possible only on a Sunday.
Bendies observed on 851:
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TIB 974 Y (spotted morning & evening)
TIB 984 T (spotted evening)
TIB 1023 K (spotted morning & evening)
TIB 1057 M (spotted morning & evening)
TIB 1081 S (spotted morning)
TIB 1096 A (spotted morning)
TIB 1098 U (spotted morning & evening)
TIB 1099 S (spotted morning & evening)
TIB 1100 X (spotted evening)
TIB 1138 M (spotted morning & evening)
TIB 1200 R (spotted evening)
TIB 1201 M (spotted evening)
As noted, many ex-106 bendys were on 851 today.
Lets hope this is for good and permanence.
Other observations:
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TIB 1113 J - 980 (usually on 851)
TIB 0364 H (!) - 854
Unidentified Lance 245 on 854
TIB 1208 U - 812
TIB 1055 T - 812
TIB 1124 C - 806
Unidentified Lance 245 on 969
svc 167 has a marked increase of O405's, including TIB 461 K and TIB 817 T.
svc 853 also has a marked increase of O405's.
It seems incredible the withdrawal of 520 could have benefitted so many services. If so then it surely have been a good thing.
There have been many new free agents floating around services and not settled anywhere. They are:
TIB 0940 U
TIB 0975 U
TIB 0976 S
TIB 1055 T
TIB 1208 U
TIB 1120 M
TIB 1124 C
TIB 1126 Y
TIB 1131 G
TIB 1137 R
TIB 1147 L
Seems like the cutting of 106 and withdrawal of 520 have produced many spare bendys.
25th Aug is really a day to remember for Yishunites. Hope TIBS will continue increasing their attention to Yishun and not to just keep on pampering WDL/CCK/BPJ/BBT. -
Saw TIB 1065P on service 180 today.
TIB 1065P was an ex bus operating on service 960, but how come it is on service 180 which is controlled by Kranji Depot? -
1065 P had been a free agent for sometime. It seems like it had just been transferred to Kranji Depot. Just a week ago it was still in Ang Mo Kio Depot serving service 854.Originally posted by PT21:Saw TIB 1065P on service 180 today.
TIB 1065P was an ex bus operating on service 960, but how come it is on service 180 which is controlled by Kranji Depot?
Tracing its footsteps, this is the journey it made in chronological order:
WDLDEP - on 960/184
KJDEP - on 190/61/106
AMKDEP - on 854
KJDEP (again) - on 180 -
Today (Tues 26th Aug 2003)
TIB 1113 J back on svc 851
More O405's on 167 (TIB 826 S)
Some ex-851 CAC's spotted on 171 (e.g. TIB 778 Y)
ex-106 Bendies continued to be spotted on 851
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TIB 974Y is a Sv. 67 bus, isn't it? 1208U is from Sv. 190, right? Yes, Sv. 520 withdrawal has benefitted a lot of Yishun services.Originally posted by AntiDennisLance:Today is the first week day since the withdrawal of 520 and introduction of 67C.
Broadly speaking, the withdrawal of 520 enabled service 851 to have a more normal and manageable schedule and perhaps a more bendy-friendly schedule. Previously the planners had to interspede 8 of 851 12m buses to go on 520 during peak hours and retiring 8 more 851 buses (including some bendies) during off peak hours while the 8 12m's from 520 return to 851 after peak hours.
Today I am so pleasantly suprised! Monday (25 Aug) is Bendy-Galore weekday for service 851, with no less than 12 bendies spotted throughout the day. Previously such a phenomenon would have been thought possible only on a Sunday.
Bendies observed on 851:
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TIB 974 Y (spotted morning & evening)
TIB 984 T (spotted evening)
TIB 1023 K (spotted morning & evening)
TIB 1057 M (spotted morning & evening)
TIB 1081 S (spotted morning)
TIB 1096 A (spotted morning)
TIB 1098 U (spotted morning & evening)
TIB 1099 S (spotted morning & evening)
TIB 1100 X (spotted evening)
TIB 1138 M (spotted morning & evening)
TIB 1200 R (spotted evening)
TIB 1201 M (spotted evening)
As noted, many ex-106 bendys were on 851 today.
Lets hope this is for good and permanence.
Other observations:
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TIB 1113 J - 980 (usually on 851)
TIB 0364 H (!) - 854
Unidentified Lance 245 on 854
TIB 1208 U - 812
TIB 1055 T - 812
TIB 1124 C - 806
Unidentified Lance 245 on 969
svc 167 has a marked increase of O405's, including TIB 461 K and TIB 817 T.
svc 853 also has a marked increase of O405's.
It seems incredible the withdrawal of 520 could have benefitted so many services. If so then it surely have been a good thing.
There have been many new free agents floating around services and not settled anywhere. They are:
TIB 0940 U
TIB 0975 U
TIB 0976 S
TIB 1055 T
TIB 1208 U
TIB 1120 M
TIB 1124 C
TIB 1126 Y
TIB 1131 G
TIB 1137 R
TIB 1147 L
Seems like the cutting of 106 and withdrawal of 520 have produced many spare bendys.
25th Aug is really a day to remember for Yishunites. Hope TIBS will continue increasing their attention to Yishun and not to just keep on pampering WDL/CCK/BPJ/BBT. -
I dont know when it had happened, but I know that TIB432U is confirmed to be back in WDLDEP, because it was seen on Service 961 while I was on my way to school
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TIB1112 is spotted outside Yishun Interchange yesterday at about 1320.
TIB769 is currently perm on service 855. This bus is the only CAC that also has its doors "converted" to that used in the LAnce 245s ( the black ones )
TIB1124C back on svc 806 yesterday.
Service 969 load from Yishun to Tampines dropped. Normally there are pax standing, but there were empty seats today when entering Tampines. The frequency is constant at about 8 mins, and there were 2 Volgren Bendies on 969 today ( normal ). On the other hand, as I said in another post, the load of svc 39 improved significantly. -
I saw TIB1112L on svc 851 yesterday and today.Originally posted by TIB1186Z:TIB1112 is spotted outside Yishun Interchange yesterday at about 1320.
TIB769 is currently perm on service 855. This bus is the only CAC that also has its doors "converted" to that used in the LAnce 245s ( the black ones )
TIB1124C back on svc 806 yesterday.
Service 969 load from Yishun to Tampines dropped. Normally there are pax standing, but there were empty seats today when entering Tampines. The frequency is constant at about 8 mins, and there were 2 Volgren Bendies on 969 today ( normal ). On the other hand, as I said in another post, the load of svc 39 improved significantly.
TIB769Z seems to be perm on 851 instead of 855, though I wont mind giving it up for another bendy. The driver for TIB769Z on 851 is an old bespectacled man with a hunchback.
And TIB769Z's doors are not Lance's DM doors. They are original Hispano doors simply just painted over with black paint. TIB769Z already had its all-black doors from day one since its early Woodlands service 911/912/913 days way before TIBS bought any DM Lances or had anything to do with DM or Dennis.
Yes 969 load has decreased and 39 load increased. The best situation would be that no one has to stand on any of these two services even on peak hours. That is what I call quality bus service. -
SBST and TIBS, for some apparent reason, LOVE to paint their bus doors.Originally posted by AntiDennisLance:I saw TIB1112L on svc 851 yesterday and today.
TIB769Z seems to be perm on 851 instead of 855, though I wont mind giving it up for another bendy. The driver for TIB769Z on 851 is an old bespectacled man with a hunchback.
And TIB769Z's doors are not Lance's DM doors. They are original Hispano doors simply just painted over with black paint. TIB769Z already had its all-black doors from day one since its early Woodlands service 911/912/913 days way before TIBS bought any DM Lances or had anything to do with DM or Dennis.
Yes 969 load has decreased and 39 load increased. The best situation would be that no one has to stand on any of these two services even on peak hours. That is what I call quality bus service. -
Another bus back in WDLDEP from KJDEP
TIB435L was seen deployed on Service 961 today...
Eh? If it is like this.... What buses are currently deployed on Service 177 now ? -
Yes, the OF1417's had a very suitable exhaust brake bellow. They didn't sound breathless like the 1312's or the 1413's, although a 1418 and 1316 also sound pretty asthmatic. I dread having rides on those thing here in Sydney or in Melbourne. Weren't the buses leased from CSS to cover for the bus shortage Hino AK's?Originally posted by AntiDennisLance:OF1417, not OF1413 :p totally different buses, mind you.
TIBS ran into shortage due to expansion of ridership.. not expansion of service. Service 804 load was getting heavier and heavier with neighbourhood 4 of Yishun booming up. And more people needed services from Woodlands to downtown. Woodlands was also crazily growing in population. And then there was the new service 805.
The BF177's were not really leased from CSS. TIBS did pay CSS the lease but CSS and TIBS were (and IS) the same company! The money transfer were more for accounting purposes. The BF177's had TIBS regos and NOT CSS regos. TIB362M to TIB 379R. Later on the Nissan U31RCN's re-used regos TIB362M to TIB377X. Good riddance to the BF177's.
Service 164 was not cut. It was totally withdrawn. Cancelled. Killed. Zip. At the same moment when 164 was cancelled, service 161 bit the stick and gave up all its Nissan U31S's and received a full fleet of all 18 BF177's in addtion to one solitary RK176 (TIB40S) in return. And not very much after that (when MRT came to Yishun), service 161 was withdrawn too. And that moment spelt the true end of the BF177's too.
So 3 things happened at one go in about 1987/1988 at the end of the recession:
1. 164 was cancelled
2. OF1417's returned to SBS
3. 161 became fully BF177
3a. BF177's kept fully away from other TIBS services
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