SBST Service 39 from 17 August 2003 :-)
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I did my observation at the 2nd bus stop after Yishun Interchange (bus stop at blk 608 ). Only 2 more bus stops before the route leaves the Yishun boundary.Originally posted by TIB1186Z:Just to add, the number of Tampines bound pax yesterday was much more than the number of Yishun bound pax on TPE. You must know that although Yishun Interchange has high pax traffic, most of the pax come from the nest few bus stops, but im not insulting ur intelligence whatsoever.
Its always the case when new services are introduced. For example, look at how long svc 857 and 965 took before it had sufficient pax. My classmate, FYI, does not know 969 goes to Tampines via the expressway, or 965 goes to Sengkang, though they had been introduced for quite some time already. Anyway, the number of pax on svc 39 was more that that of service 161 that was introduced 1 year ago.
Maybe there could have been a higher load in the hours earlier than 9am. Dont know. Never bothered to wake up that early just to snoop at buses.
Yes people will take time to "notice" new services. But it should be better in a week's time since the potential 39 crowd is quite confined to the Loyang area. Once a few people there know, word of mouth within the industrial area should gather enough ridership relatively quickly. Even 857 had almost all seats filled going to YCK road barely 2 weeks into service although it was still quite empty when it goes up on CTE in the mornings until a few months later. -
To get passengers for Sv. 161, SBST purposely increased its headways by removing 2-3 buses, and pinning up that stupid Estimated Arrival Time card at each and every bus stop. That's in fact the only reason why Sv. 161 operates double-decks, frequency is so bad just to accumulate passengers.
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In my opinion, the route of service 39 in Tampines should not ply Tampines Ave 2, it should ply Ave 7 instead, which is more faster to reach Loyang Ave. With the current route, it took half an hour from Tampines interchange to reach Pasir Ris West Plaza.
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SBST love to extend routes to make maximum profit from commuters, make them so long passengers pay more to go where they want!Originally posted by tranquilice:In my opinion, the route of service 39 in Tampines should not ply Tampines Ave 2, it should ply Ave 7 instead, which is more faster to reach Loyang Ave. With the current route, it took half an hour from Tampines interchange to reach Pasir Ris West Plaza. -
And the 969 vs. 39 saga continues...
I saw several A4 size posters being pasted in some buses and at Yishun interchange saying that 969 is much faster going to Tampines than 39.. -
Heh. Smear campaigns eh?Originally posted by TropicalSQ744:And the 969 vs. 39 saga continues...
I saw several A4 size posters being pasted in some buses and at Yishun interchange saying that 969 is much faster going to Tampines than 39..
Which is quite true - 39 takes one big round around pasir ris / loyang before ending up at Tampines, which basically takes about half hour making the big round, whereas 969 goes straight to the interchange.
Thats why 39 is only good for Yishunites wanting a direct ride to the Loyang industrial buildings or to the Pasir Ris chalets / Escape Theme Park / White Sands Resort. Those who want to change to other buses at Tampines are better off taking 969.
Anyway the load for 39 was noticed to have improved a bit today. And the bus frequency also increased although they are still very much empty most of the time. -
Hahah, TIBS taking potshots at SBST again. Agreed, Sv. 39 serves Pasir Ris residents and Yishunites wanting to go to Pasir Ris. For them to go to Tampines Sv. 969 is MUCH, MUCH faster. Time saved is half an hour at least.Originally posted by AntiDennisLance:Heh. Smear campaigns eh?
Which is quite true - 39 takes one big round around pasir ris / loyang before ending up at Tampines, which basically takes about half hour making the big round, whereas 969 goes straight to the interchange.
Thats why 39 is only good for Yishunites wanting a direct ride to the Loyang industrial buildings or to the Pasir Ris chalets / Escape Theme Park / White Sands Resort. Those who want to change to other buses at Tampines are better off taking 969.
Anyway the load for 39 was noticed to have improved a bit today. And the bus frequency also increased although they are still very much empty most of the time. -
It would have been more ironic if they pasted it right at the pillar nearest to the 39 berths!Originally posted by AntiDennisLance:Heh. Smear campaigns eh?
Which is quite true - 39 takes one big round around pasir ris / loyang before ending up at Tampines, which basically takes about half hour making the big round, whereas 969 goes straight to the interchange.
Thats why 39 is only good for Yishunites wanting a direct ride to the Loyang industrial buildings or to the Pasir Ris chalets / Escape Theme Park / White Sands Resort. Those who want to change to other buses at Tampines are better off taking 969.
Anyway the load for 39 was noticed to have improved a bit today. And the bus frequency also increased although they are still very much empty most of the time.
Afterall, who told SBS Transit to come to TIBS territory 
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PTC did. For TIBS to paste it at SBST berth would constitute defamation of some sort.Originally posted by TropicalSQ744:It would have been more ironic if they pasted it right at the pillar nearest to the 39 berths! Afterall, who told SBS Transit to come to TIBS territory -
Ya ya, thats why they pasted it right opposite the 39 berths at the 806 berthOriginally posted by SBS9818A:PTC did. For TIBS to paste it at SBST berth would constitute defamation of some sort.
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The poster appeared on TIB 858A of Service 67 today.Originally posted by TropicalSQ744:And the 969 vs. 39 saga continues...
I saw several A4 size posters being pasted in some buses and at Yishun interchange saying that 969 is much faster going to Tampines than 39..
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And I wish to clarify something.....the poster is correct if and only if the journey is made from Tampines interchange to the first bus stop after Yishun Ave 1 for it to be less than 30mins at all times, not as misleading as the poster that suggests that the trip takes less than 30mins from outside Yishun interchange to Tampines Interchange.Originally posted by TropicalSQ744:Ya ya, thats why they pasted it right opposite the 39 berths at the 806 berth -
Obviously lah! TIBS want to advertise Sv. 969 is much faster to Tampines than Sv. 39 to Yishunites.Originally posted by TIB1186Z:And I wish to clarify something.....the poster is correct if and only if the journey is made from Tampines interchange to the first bus stop after Yishun Ave 1 for it to be less than 30mins at all times, not as misleading as the poster that suggests that the trip takes less than 30mins from outside Yishun interchange to Tampines Interchange. -
The basis for the 'smear' campaign is not unfounded..... SBST svc 39 is really picking up passengers in the course of the week, and I am not kidding, exaggerating or anything, but the load factor of svc 39 entering Yishun Interchange is comparable to that of svc 965.
When I took a Mk III from Pasir Ris to Yishun yesterday, I was kinda shocked to find 90% of the seats taken up, and yes, even the bench seats at the front. The frequency was 10 mins, as I just missed one in front. On the express sector, 85% of the seats were taken, and when it arrived at Yishun interchange, about 20 passengers got off on average.
SBST also shrunk the frequency of the direction towards Tampines to about 9 mins during Saturday evening ( which is non-peak , following LTA's classification ), and there were about 25 pax boarding, making the queue even longer than svc 853 and 855.
The load during the non-peak hours is also rather impressive lately, with buses departing the interchange at least 25% full, and I don't have any parallax, bias or whatever error when it comes to this.
However, interestingly, the load on svc 965 had also picked up recently.
As expected, the bulk of the pax who boarded at Yishun alighted at Pasir Ris and Loyang Ave, and there was a number who then transferred at Pasir Ris Dr 1 to svc 89 to Changi Village and Changi Beach. I also did that from Changi Beach to Yishun ,and the trip took about 15 mins faster that the 19-969 combo, and for adults, it is cheaper too. -
Went spotting at Changi Beach right? Yes, of course Sv. 39 is meant to be a route for Pasir Ris residents going to Yishun and vice-versa. Good to see Sv. 39 loads improving, however outlook for double-decks on this service still look slim.Originally posted by TIB1186Z:The basis for the 'smear' campaign is not unfounded..... SBST svc 39 is really picking up passengers in the course of the week, and I am not kidding, exaggerating or anything, but the load factor of svc 39 entering Yishun Interchange is comparable to that of svc 965.
When I took a Mk III from Pasir Ris to Yishun yesterday, I was kinda shocked to find 90% of the seats taken up, and yes, even the bench seats at the front. The frequency was 10 mins, as I just missed one in front. On the express sector, 85% of the seats were taken, and when it arrived at Yishun interchange, about 20 passengers got off on average.
SBST also shrunk the frequency of the direction towards Tampines to about 9 mins during Saturday evening ( which is non-peak , following LTA's classification ), and there were about 25 pax boarding, making the queue even longer than svc 853 and 855.
The load during the non-peak hours is also rather impressive lately, with buses departing the interchange at least 25% full, and I don't have any parallax, bias or whatever error when it comes to this.
However, interestingly, the load on svc 965 had also picked up recently.
As expected, the bulk of the pax who boarded at Yishun alighted at Pasir Ris and Loyang Ave, and there was a number who then transferred at Pasir Ris Dr 1 to svc 89 to Changi Village and Changi Beach. I also did that from Changi Beach to Yishun ,and the trip took about 15 mins faster that the 19-969 combo, and for adults, it is cheaper too. -
Is there a possiblity for a Tibs service between Woodlands and Changi Village via Yishun and Pasir Ris? So that the current service 39 passengers don't have to transfer to service 89 to Loyang industrial estate, Changi Village and Changi beach.
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Yes, I think that there is a possibility to do so.
A new service can be introduced from Yishun, but not Woodlands. This new TIBS service, could terminate between Yishun Interchange and Changi Airport Cargo Complex. Woodlands would be too long a journey.
What do you guys think? Anyway, pardon me, I'm a new member here.
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Hi! Welcome to the forum. Hope you have an enjoyable time here.Originally posted by mercedes_hispano:Yes, I think that there is a possibility to do so.
A new service can be introduced from Yishun, but not Woodlands. This new TIBS service, could terminate between Yishun Interchange and Changi Airport Cargo Complex. Woodlands would be too long a journey.
What do you guys think? Anyway, pardon me, I'm a new member here.
I think that is possible, but it would be more effective it it passes through Yishun Ring Road, esp the bus stops in the Blk300+ areas. This would provide immediate competition to the private bus service that currently runs from that bus stop to Changi Airport Cargo Cmplx. -
Yeah lah, but not for buses, but for the larger 30m to 70+ m kind . I tried changi beach , the proximity isn't bad, just too many trees. I've yet to try Hornchurch Rd off Loyang Ave.Originally posted by SBS9818A:Went spotting at Changi Beach right? Yes, of course Sv. 39 is meant to be a route for Pasir Ris residents going to Yishun and vice-versa. Good to see Sv. 39 loads improving, however outlook for double-decks on this service still look slim.
Anyway, I spotted a VO3-Ax on svc 9 yesterday, a bit shocked to say the least, it just look a bit out of place on this narrow and clean stretch of road.
Svc 39 seemed to get a new Mk III to support it as the frequency is decreased a bit due to the demand. I cun get the rego, but its one of those nice Bangkok Air B717 ad buses.
The full trip from Tampines to Yishun has its time shortened to about 50 mins from an hour.--I think drivers had been instructed to speed like crazy to compete, and the actual time should be 48 mins, judging from the one bus in-one bus out that svc 39 follows. -
The Bangkok Air B717-200 ah? Possibility of it being 789J, that fella seems to be perm on Sv. 65, recently transferred from HGDEP to BNDEP(and from Sv. 156). 3-axle VOs can manouver along Telok Paku Rd, remember AA2002? I know a good spotting place next to Runway 20R, but it is relatively inaccessible and you have to walk about a kilometer into the area.Originally posted by TIB1186Z:Yeah lah, but not for buses, but for the larger 30m to 70+ m kind . I tried changi beach , the proximity isn't bad, just too many trees. I've yet to try Hornchurch Rd off Loyang Ave.
Anyway, I spotted a VO3-Ax on svc 9 yesterday, a bit shocked to say the least, it just look a bit out of place on this narrow and clean stretch of road.
Svc 39 seemed to get a new Mk III to support it as the frequency is decreased a bit due to the demand. I cun get the rego, but its one of those nice Bangkok Air B717 ad buses.
The full trip from Tampines to Yishun has its time shortened to about 50 mins from an hour.--I think drivers had been instructed to speed like crazy to compete, and the actual time should be 48 mins, judging from the one bus in-one bus out that svc 39 follows. -
Some cameos on svc 39 today:
Scania CAC in old SBS livery with rego that i could not catch SBS 1985 arriving during the evening peak as a "helper" 
Why not another of those torquey Scanias? -
Yes, around 48 minutes. But note that 30 minutes is spend between Tampines interchange and Pasir Ris Dr 12, while the rest 18 minutes is spend on the expressways, Lentor Ave and Yishun Ave 2.Originally posted by TIB1186Z:The full trip from Tampines to Yishun has its time shortened to about 50 mins from an hour.--I think drivers had been instructed to speed like crazy to compete, and the actual time should be 48 mins, judging from the one bus in-one bus out that svc 39 follows. -
Yes, I would say around 25 minutes are spent from Tampines Int to TPE, while the remainder 23 is from Yishun Int to Pasir Ris Drive 12. I'd still take Sv. 969 IF I were a Yishunite wanting to go to Tampines, journey is about half the time!