Bus Queries...
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I'm puzzled by the following questions>>
- Rgd "DOOR CLOSING" warning sign above the exit door.
- Does it serve any purpose at all?? Why not sound the warning abt 3 seconds before the door actually closes, just like the MRT??
Right now, I don't see any sense of installing the door closing sign...
- Why were the previous Jurong Island buses repainted with different designs and have their licence no. plates converted to PA xxxx y?
- Why did the former SBS insert an M in the following services: M1, M2 ,M3 & M4 several years back?
I understand that those SS1,SS2..to SS7 buses stands for "Shuttle Service", coz they are temporary services during the construction of the MRT lines... but what abt the story of M1-M4 bus services??
- Danny Chan published a book called "Singapore Bus Handbook" around year 1997 and I got that copy...but does anyone has any idea whether has he written further editions abt Spore buses??
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Don't think he wrote anymore on S'pore buses. Coz I went HK in 2001 also don't have new editions
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For the 'DOOR-CLOSING' sign above the rear doors, there are a couple of reaons as to why it is installed.
-For Safety: The doors on MB 405's (both TIBS and SBST) close quite fast; the sign, coupled with sound, is actually to alert passengers to keep their hands away from the door. I had this experience on a TIBS MB 405, I was standing at front of the back door (the left standing area of the 405), my hands nearly got squashed if not for the warning.
MRT Doors are safer than bus doors.
-Perhaps for uer-friendliness?
-For the hearing impaired: People who cannot hear must have the sign as a form of warning.
-It is a standard characteristic is every public bus model. The VO has them, the Volgrens have them, and even Scanias have them. Perhaps it's one of the laws imposed on by LTA? -
Originally posted by SBS3688Y:I'm puzzled by the following questions>>
- Rgd "DOOR CLOSING" warning sign above the exit door.
- Does it serve any purpose at all?? Why not sound the warning abt 3 seconds before the door actually closes, just like the MRT??
Right now, I don't see any sense of installing the door closing sign...
- Why were the previous Jurong Island buses repainted with different designs and have their licence no. plates converted to PA xxxx y?
> Perhaps registering to PA would be a cheaper way to pay its road tax, etc. The diff paintwork is to differentiate that they are different from other SBS-reg buses, i supposed.
- Why did the former SBS insert an M in the following services: M1, M2 ,M3 & M4 several years back?
I understand that those SS1,SS2..to SS7 buses stands for "Shuttle Service", coz they are temporary services during the construction of the MRT lines... but what abt the story of M1-M4 bus services??
> The M1, M2, and M4 were somehow a kinda shuttle service, that link from a MRT Stn/many Stns to certain destinations. As a result, the prefix M was used.
- Danny Chan published a book called "Singapore Bus Handbook" around year 1997 and I got that copy...but does anyone has any idea whether has he written further editions abt Spore buses??
> A Pity that Danny Chan has not come up with a newer edition of Singapore Bus Handbook. Hope that he could come up one soon. Hmm wonder if I could publish one on my own
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Yes, this regulation was imposed quite far back. If I'm not wrong even the B57s had them.Originally posted by mercedes_hispano:For the 'DOOR-CLOSING' sign above the rear doors, there are a couple of reaons as to why it is installed.
-For Safety: The doors on MB 405's (both TIBS and SBST) close quite fast; the sign, coupled with sound, is actually to alert passengers to keep their hands away from the door. I had this experience on a TIBS MB 405, I was standing at front of the back door (the left standing area of the 405), my hands nearly got squashed if not for the warning.
MRT Doors are safer than bus doors.
-Perhaps for uer-friendliness?
-For the hearing impaired: People who cannot hear must have the sign as a form of warning.
-It is a standard characteristic is every public bus model. The VO has them, the Volgrens have them, and even Scanias have them. Perhaps it's one of the laws imposed on by LTA? -
Oh yes, the O405s were converted as for SBST to tender to operate JI services, the JTC imposed a ruling to use only privately-regged buses for fairer competition. So SBST re-regged 24 O405s, and painted them in the SBS Leisure livery so they could get the tender!
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Borrowing your thread:
I have been puzzling over this question for years. I am sure we are familiar with the "Bus Stopping" sign in the bus. But don't you think it does not make any sense? If it were a "Bus Stopping" sign, it should come on only when the bus is braking, not when a passenger wants to alight. The VSOs and Tridents have substituted that for a red strip of light, which I presume is in line with the Government's policy of "Speak Good English Movement". -
Yes, should be changed to "PASSENGERS ALIGHTING"Originally posted by pkchukiss:Borrowing your thread:
I have been puzzling over this question for years. I am sure we are familiar with the "Bus Stopping" sign in the bus. But don't you think it does not make any sense? If it were a "Bus Stopping" sign, it should come on only when the bus is braking, not when a passenger wants to alight. The VSOs and Tridents have substituted that for a red strip of light, which I presume is in line with the Government's policy of "Speak Good English Movement". -
Tridents? I am not sure.. but VSO's with the red strip? Yah, but the "Bus Stopping" wordings is still there. IMO, there is nothing wrong with the "Bus Stopping", either passengers alighting or the bus is stopping (at a junction or something).Originally posted by pkchukiss:Borrowing your thread:
I have been puzzling over this question for years. I am sure we are familiar with the "Bus Stopping" sign in the bus. But don't you think it does not make any sense? If it were a "Bus Stopping" sign, it should come on only when the bus is braking, not when a passenger wants to alight. The VSOs and Tridents have substituted that for a red strip of light, which I presume is in line with the Government's policy of "Speak Good English Movement".
Cheers and warm regards -
VSOs still have the word "BUS STOPPING", only it's not very visible. Tridents are the only bus with the red strip.Originally posted by Superbus:Tridents? I am not sure.. but VSO's with the red strip? Yah, but the "Bus Stopping" wordings is still there. IMO, there is nothing wrong with the "Bus Stopping", either passengers alighting or the bus is stopping (at a junction or something).
Cheers and warm regards -
rgd DOOR CLOSING:
- I understand that the DOOR CLOSING sign is a safety feature to warn passengers of closing doors. But wouldn't it be better for the warning buzzer to sound abt 3seconds before the door actually closes; so that the passenger will have adequate time to react??
Right now, the door closes immediately the warning buzzer sounds. Some passengers might not be able to react on time, esp the elderly...and I've seen several such incidents before.
rgd word usage: BUS STOPPING:
The new trams in Melbourne(Aus) uses "NEXT STOP" instead. When the bell is pressed, the red sign "NEXT STOP" is displayed.
So, which is more appropriate? The BUS STOPPING sign, NEXT STOP or any better suggestions?? -
rgd Danny Chan's book publication:
ohh...Danny Chan's first publication of "Singapore Bus Handbook" received very poor sales..and that's why I think he became disappointed and stopped writing books abt Spore buses.
But I feel that he failed to market his books effectively and that's why it received such poor response. Had my friend not informed me abt this book, I wouldn't have known its existence! The news was only published in the Chinese newspaper and he only sold it through the Commericial Book Publications(the shop opp Bras Basah Complex for only a few mths!).
I went to the Popular and many other bookshops, including those at Bras Basah Complex and none were selling his books!!
All along, I was waiting for his next publication since 1997, hopefully to see him describe Tibs and CSS buses, the new SBST and updates and old bus models in Spore... but now, all my hopes are shattered>>>hye... -
Originally posted by SBS3688Y:
I cun imagine what would happen to buses with the safety interlock mechanism....just imagine a sharp, jarring buzzer that sounds for 3secs"bbeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeppp!" ( that was 3s long ), oh my, TIBS and SBST is gonna get a lot of complain fan mail from sleepy commuters who cun even sleep on the bus! Moreover, if the rule is implemented, it would become ineffective in like 3-4mths? Singaporean are like that....look at the traffic lights countdown, they will still rush down, so no, it is definitely not feasible and you definitely wont get my vote
[b]rgd DOOR CLOSING:
- I understand that the DOOR CLOSING sign is a safety feature to warn passengers of closing doors. But wouldn't it be better for the warning buzzer to sound abt 3seconds before the door actually closes; so that the passenger will have adequate time to react??
Right now, the door closes immediately the warning buzzer sounds. Some passengers might not be able to react on time, esp the elderly...and I've seen several such incidents before.
rgd word usage: BUS STOPPING:
The new trams in Melbourne(Aus) uses "NEXT STOP" instead. When the bell is pressed, the red sign "NEXT STOP" is displayed.
So, which is more appropriate? The BUS STOPPING sign, NEXT STOP or any better suggestions??
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I dun think pax would appreciate the "NEXT STOP" change.....many of us are too used to Bus Stopping and many, including me, would be puzzled by what is next stop? I would think "Next stop, so what? What bus stop" instead of the actual meaning. Do remember that the new KAwasaki train info system uses "NEXT STATION" to announce the name of the next station in Singapore
Many pax are hence also puzzled about the red strip on tridents, a friend told me that he thot it was a braking light that ask pax to hold tight as the bus is declerating. For this reasons, a few trisents have the word bus stopping written in marker on the cover or on top of the red strip. -
Regarding the last point, is it? It does look like a third brake light from a distance but with no "BUS STOPPING" sign it should be quite obvious. Never seen Tridents with markings saying "BUS STOPPING" in marker ink above the red strip.Originally posted by TIB1186Z:I cun imagine what would happen to buses with the safety interlock mechanism....just imagine a sharp, jarring buzzer that sounds for 3secs"bbeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeppp!" ( that was 3s long ), oh my, TIBS and SBST is gonna get a lot of complain fan mail from sleepy commuters who cun even sleep on the bus! Moreover, if the rule is implemented, it would become ineffective in like 3-4mths? Singaporean are like that....look at the traffic lights countdown, they will still rush down, so no, it is definitely not feasible and you definitely wont get my vote
I dun think pax would appreciate the "NEXT STOP" change.....many of us are too used to Bus Stopping and many, including me, would be puzzled by what is next stop? I would think "Next stop, so what? What bus stop" instead of the actual meaning. Do remember that the new KAwasaki train info system uses "NEXT STATION" to announce the name of the next station in Singapore
Many pax are hence also puzzled about the red strip on tridents, a friend told me that he thot it was a braking light that ask pax to hold tight as the bus is declerating. For this reasons, a few trisents have the word bus stopping written in marker on the cover or on top of the red strip. -
Originally posted by SBS9818A:
Yep. There is one. That is SBS 9673A.
Regarding the last point, is it? It does look like a third brake light from a distance but with no [b]"BUS STOPPING" sign it should be quite obvious. Never seen Tridents with markings saying "BUS STOPPING" in marker ink above the red strip.[/b] -
Yes it used to be on svc 85 in im not wrong, and if not, there is at least 2 more--one written on top of the strip and one written on the stripOriginally posted by SBS9816E:Yep. There is one. That is SBS 9673A. -
On the strip itself? Then what's the point? The passengers would not be able to read the words once the strip illuminates!Originally posted by TIB1186Z:Yes it used to be on svc 85 in im not wrong, and if not, there is at least 2 more--one written on top of the strip and one written on the strip -
BUS STOPPING
There are a couple of SBST buses with such BUS STOPPING signs>>
Whenever someone presses the bell, the sign only lights up for a second...many other pax doesn't realise the bell been pressed coz the BUS STOPPING sign doesn't light up and pressed again and again...I pity the driver for he has to endure the repeated pressing of bells when he drives these buses! -
Originally posted by SBS3688Y:
Fine example of this is SBS 3681R of Sv. 410, not only does the light work intermittently, the "DOOR CLOSING" light activates with an IRRITATING high-pitched "BEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE" sound.
[b]BUS STOPPING
There are a couple of SBST buses with such BUS STOPPING signs>>
Whenever someone presses the bell, the sign only lights up for a second...many other pax doesn't realise the bell been pressed coz the BUS STOPPING sign doesn't light up and pressed again and again...I pity the driver for he has to endure the repeated pressing of bells when he drives these buses![/b] -
Precisely.....only the first 3 rows of pax can see it only when illuminated....but cun see it when it is not.Originally posted by SBS9818A:On the strip itself? Then what's the point? The passengers would not be able to read the words once the strip illuminates! -
I dunno whether the BUS STOPPING sign is faulty or purposely done like that??
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Well, mechanics are not that smart, they think, once the job is completed, that's it!Originally posted by TIB1186Z:Precisely.....only the first 3 rows of pax can see it only when illuminated....but cun see it when it is not. -
Purposedly, if its faulty it wouldn't be working in the first place. Maybe the triangular bus stopping sign used in the Lance 211s and Volgren 0405s are the worse of the lot, its blinking and so damn small. Esp they go " EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH" whenever they press the bell.....luckily it can only be pressed once. This never fails to wake at least 50% of the sleeping pax.Originally posted by SBS3688Y:I dunno whether the BUS STOPPING sign is faulty or purposely done like that??
Or some of the Hispano 0405 with a very slow and faulty door closes with a hypnotic " Ding dong x 100? " that's faulty door with a working bell. -
I like that loud buzzer, as it helps me to keep awake especially if I fall asleep aboard a Lance 211 or Volgren O405.Originally posted by TIB1186Z:Purposedly, if its faulty it wouldn't be working in the first place. Maybe the triangular bus stopping sign used in the Lance 211s and Volgren 0405s are the worse of the lot, its blinking and so damn small. Esp they go " EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH" whenever they press the bell.....luckily it can only be pressed once. This never fails to wake at least 50% of the sleeping pax.
Or some of the Hispano 0405 with a very slow and faulty door closes with a hypnotic " Ding dong x 100? " that's faulty door with a working bell. -
Does anyone has any idea how long SBST and Tibs take to fix a full-bodied advertisement on its buses??
What abt the time needed to remove a full-bodied advertisement and repaint it back in SBST/Tibs design?