Fully Air-Conditioned Bus Fleet
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More likely the cost per commuter (what is the correct term?) on a Bendy bus is cheaper than a DD.Originally posted by TIB1186Z:According to a past newspaper comment by TIBS, it was because bendy buses would better cater to the needs of the rapidly aging population in Singapore.
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For better manouverability. The Aussie buses with 14.5m long body are Scania L113TRBLs.Originally posted by Superbus:A bit side topic here...
The Volvo B10M Superlong (SBS997A) is 14.5m right? And its rear is 'tapered' like its sister, the Volvo B10MA (SBS998Y).
The question is...
I've seen other 14.5m Superlong buses, such as in Australia and the Europe, but such buses doesn't have a tapered rear. Why so for SBS997A and not the foreign buses?
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if that's the case, then why does SBS Transit still continue buying DD buses when all it cares is $$$?Originally posted by oliver_yuen87:More likely the cost per commuter (what is the correct term?) on a Bendy bus is cheaper than a DD. -
They haven't bought in any new buses since 2001.Originally posted by foxtrot1985:if that's the case, then why does SBS Transit still continue buying DD buses when all it cares is $$$? -
yah, then why did they bother to buy DD buses back then? TIBS already had Bendy buses back then and SBST surely would have observed that it's more economical to buy long buses than DD buses...
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[quote]Originally posted by foxtrot1985:
yah, then why did they bother to buy DD buses back then? TIBS already had Bendy buses back then and SBST surely would have observed that it's more economical to buy long buses than DD buses...[/quote
However, it is far more costly to maintain a Bendy as compared to a Double Deck, at least there isn't the rather "fragile" articulator to take care of. -
Bendy buses take up more parking space, which is severely limited in a bus depot..
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SBST brought in 9000S in 1993, while TIBS brought in 838H in 1996, few months earlier than 998Y.Originally posted by foxtrot1985:yah, then why did they bother to buy DD buses back then? TIBS already had Bendy buses back then and SBST surely would have observed that it's more economical to buy long buses than DD buses... -
All this comes down to the huge investment which SBS had put in to provide for their double-deck fleet. If they switch to bendys, ie. single deck, then all that money will be wasted.Originally posted by foxtrot1985:yah, then why did they bother to buy DD buses back then? TIBS already had Bendy buses back then and SBST surely would have observed that it's more economical to buy long buses than DD buses...
As for TIBS, they don't have the facilities to house double-deckers and are not planning to build one. So they will stick to bendys. -
Yes, SBST has 741 a/c double-decks, and 198 2-axle VOs, with about 30 2-axle LOs. Total of 969 double-decks, the investment they have placed in double-decks is simply too great for them to dump all 900+ of them for 900+ bendys.Originally posted by The_Bus_Guide:All this comes down to the huge investment which SBS had put in to provide for their double-deck fleet. If they switch to bendys, ie. single deck, then all that money will be wasted.
As for TIBS, they don't have the facilities to house double-deckers and are not planning to build one. So they will stick to bendys. -
Correction, it should be 98 2-axle Volvo Olympians. I think there is a lot less 2-axle Leyland Olympians now. Saw only 2 at Boon Lay Interchange on Deepavali.Originally posted by SBS9818A:Yes, SBST has 741 a/c double-decks, and 198 2-axle VOs, with about 30 2-axle LOs. Total of 969 double-decks, the investment they have placed in double-decks is simply too great for them to dump all 900+ of them for 900+ bendys.
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Yah, paisay, I meant 98 2-axle VOs. There are about 15-20 2-axle LOs still in Boon Lay, they should all be in the great bus park up in the sky by end 2003.Originally posted by Superbus:Correction, it should be 98 2-axle Volvo Olympians. I think there is a lot less 2-axle Leyland Olympians now. Saw only 2 at Boon Lay Interchange on Deepavali.
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Do your notice some services are claimed as PAC but are NAC services.
Service 11, 90, 94, 107 have NAC buses as majority with service 90 being totally NAC. -
Sv. 90 being non-aircon is only on weekdays. On weekends O405s and CAC N113CRBs run. So the claim it's partially air-conditioned is true.Originally posted by th1988: Do your notice some services are claimed as PAC but are NAC services.
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Service 90 may need to get DD even if it is a AC one. However, service 8 may be converted to a PAC service as demand is very low and I saw empty DD along the rt before.
SBS is intending to be going fully aircon in 2006 after the B10M is withdrawn in 2005 (First reg in 198
and the Scanias in 2006 (First reg in 1989).
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why don't they withdraw 8 or extend it to bishan at least?Originally posted by th1988:Service 90 may need to get DD even if it is a AC one. However, service 8 may be converted to a PAC service as demand is very low and I saw empty DD along the rt before. -
Don't know them. Honestly three services from TPY - Tampz is overkill.Originally posted by foxtrot1985:why don't they withdraw 8 or extend it to bishan at least? -
But SBS treats 8 as if it has high demand so it is a high class service with guesto VSOs, newest B10M. I think service 8 may have to be resechulded as 2-3 buses brunched up and SD or DD have empty loading. I think 8 is actually an unprofitable rt as it duplicate with many inter-town services like 18, 38 and trunk services like 65, 66 which has better frequency. It is also completing with 23 (I think if you know that if you are going to TAM at Macpherson Kopitiam, if you walk further to Jalan Kolam Ayer, you may take 23 which is much faster than 8 to Temasek Poly areas)
While service 90 has very high demand but not a single AC DD. Today, I took 3623 at 1759 (Opp POSBank, Macpherson Road), the bus left overloaded and I was standing on the steps all the way to TPY. -
A question to ask SBST: When service 90 is introduced, why is the route planned to duplicate service 8 (which is introduced earlier than service 90) up to Paya Lebar Rd? No alternative route?
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It has to serve RSAF PLAB personnal and workers at Tai Seng from the nearest NSL station. Duplicating with 8 is that 90 will give cheaper fare as it is NAC.
Actually, 90 has a higher demand that service 8 during peak hours. It serves high demand areas, serving RSAF PLAB (the biggest air base in SGP), SCDF HQ, Tai Seng Flatted Fty, Macpherson Road.
Service 8 may have to be amended as it duplicate with many SV and frequency are better.
At Tampines: Service 18, 38, 39 serves Tampines Ave 2
Service 23 serves Temasek Poly to Macpherson Road (Near Kopitiam)
Service 22, 65, 66 along Bedok Reservior Road
Service 90 to Toa Payoh
Service 8 have a very low demand at Toa Payoh side, how is the demand at Tampines? -
demand isn't very high at tampines cos there are so many alternative services that can be taken to any destination along the route of 8...
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Correction. Service 23 doesn't bypass MacPherson Road.Originally posted by th1988:Service 23 serves Temasek Poly to Macpherson Road (Near Kopitiam)
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It depends on which time of the day. The sector between Bedok Reservoir Road and Tampines Interchange during the morning peak is sometimes very high, due to the students. That goes the same during the afternoon. There are times even a Service 8 Superbus couldn't cope with the demand.Originally posted by foxtrot1985:demand isn't very high at tampines cos there are so many alternative services that can be taken to any destination along the route of 8...
And there is times when many Service 8 Superbus with only 20% of the seats filled at any other times of the day. Which makes me wonder, why put a VSO, even on a Sunday, when there is little demand?
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SBST feel like it what. As much as I would like to see some B10Ms in Bishan courtesy of Sv. 8 it's unlikely they will amend it soon enough, anyway. However, anything can happen like that of Sv. 124Originally posted by Superbus:It depends on which time of the day. The sector between Bedok Reservoir Road and Tampines Interchange during the morning peak is sometimes very high, due to the students. That goes the same during the afternoon. There are times even a Service 8 Superbus couldn't cope with the demand.
And there is times when many Service 8 Superbus with only 20% of the seats filled at any other times of the day. Which makes me wonder, why put a VSO, even on a Sunday, when there is little demand?
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If you are at Macpherson Kopitiam, you may want to walk to Jalan Kolam Ayer (Siemens Ctr) instead of POSBank to take 23 which is much faster than 8. Do you know about this actually?
Oh yes, 966 will not call Serangoon Road (Opp S'goon Fire Post), any reason of that?