do u all think tibs bus have longer waiting time thn sbstra
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do u all think tibs bus have longer waitng time than sbstransit bus?especially on night time,the bus have a waitng time of 20mins.i time it myself as i live next to the road at canberra link.it took nearly 20mins interval for every bus 167 from sembawang rd end terminal to canberra link bus stop.the journey from sembawang end rd terminal is i can say perfect traffic free to canberra link bus stop,so there should be no reason why the bus 167 is late .also,during the 20 minute timing,there would be one or two 167 bus passing by canberra link bus stop heading towards sembawang rd end terminal.i think tibs purposely have all tibs service having 20 mins frequncy,i can say that applies also to 856 and 980 because i have also time it myself.but i do not know whether other tibs bus route also have such long frequency.so i have a qn.so sbstransit also have the habit of placing as long as 20 mins for their sbstransit service?
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During night-time, the frequency of SBST and Tibs services are longer than the frequency during day-time.Originally posted by alantanchunshyan:do u all think tibs bus have longer waitng time than sbstransit bus?especially on night time,the bus have a waitng time of 20mins.i time it myself as i live next to the road at canberra link.it took nearly 20mins interval for every bus 167 from sembawang rd end terminal to canberra link bus stop.the journey from sembawang end rd terminal is i can say perfect traffic free to canberra link bus stop,so there should be no reason why the bus 167 is late .also,during the 20 minute timing,there would be one or two 167 bus passing by canberra link bus stop heading towards sembawang rd end terminal.i think tibs purposely have all tibs service having 20 mins frequncy,i can say that applies also to 856 and 980 because i have also time it myself.but i do not know whether other tibs bus route also have such long frequency.so i have a qn.so sbstransit also have the habit of placing as long as 20 mins for their sbstransit service? -
From what i experienced by going home late at night, especially after 10pm, I've never waited for a SBST service for more than 15 minutes. If it's more than 15 minutes, there will be 2 buses coming together.
I think that TIBS is cutting down on resources and is trying to stagger the frequency as much as possible to maximise passenger load on the bus than the buses running on empty at night. Although SBST does that, it doesnt have headways of more than 15 minutes if there is medium to high demand of the service. -
Also, the bus company has to take passengers demand into account. For example, service 167 at night, there are more passengers towards Sembawang than passengers towards the city area, so Tibs deploy buses towards Bukit Merah at a longer frequency.Originally posted by alantanchunshyan:do u all think tibs bus have longer waitng time than sbstransit bus?especially on night time,the bus have a waitng time of 20mins.i time it myself as i live next to the road at canberra link.it took nearly 20mins interval for every bus 167 from sembawang rd end terminal to canberra link bus stop.the journey from sembawang end rd terminal is i can say perfect traffic free to canberra link bus stop,so there should be no reason why the bus 167 is late .also,during the 20 minute timing,there would be one or two 167 bus passing by canberra link bus stop heading towards sembawang rd end terminal.i think tibs purposely have all tibs service having 20 mins frequncy,i can say that applies also to 856 and 980 because i have also time it myself.but i do not know whether other tibs bus route also have such long frequency.so i have a qn.so sbstransit also have the habit of placing as long as 20 mins for their sbstransit service? -
but usually it would not exceed 15 mins .but for the case of 167,it exceed the frequency as stated in the bus guide.and also not just one 167 bus have this frequency interval.all the 167 buses have this 20 minutes frequency interval from sembawang rd end heading towards bt merah interchange.
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but it will inconvenience commutor.also when there is a 20 mins interval,the bus may not be able to cope with sudden unexpected demand.hence the bus would be delayed and this would drag the bus waiting time to further increase.also from tibs reply regarding the 20 mins interval feedback,they replied and wrote in thir reply that the frequency at night is at most 15 mins.do u think tibs is lying?why tibs do not want to tell the truth?
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I got a feeling TIBS is trying to 'play cheat' with the Public Transport Council. The PTC requires all services during off-peak hours to have headways not more than 15 minutes. If they do, the bus company would have to state the departure times on the bus stops.Originally posted by alantanchunshyan:but usually it would not exceed 15 mins .but for the case of 167,it exceed the frequency as stated in the bus guide.and also not just one 167 bus have this frequency interval.all the 167 buses have this 20 minutes frequency interval from sembawang rd end heading towards bt merah interchange.
For eg. Service 927 125 186 are some services which have frequencies of more than 15 minutes during off-peak.
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Hmm...yeah usually TIBS buses frequency is longer than SBS Transit's at night... The longest I waited for an SBS Transit bus at night was 20 minutes... While for TIBS, my friend waited 45 minutes for 961 along Bukit Timah Road (towards Kallang direction) sometime near the end of last year... And even during the day, I once waited 20 minutes for the now defunct 989 at Changi Airport just 1 or 2 weeks before it was withdrawn.
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Do not refer to the frequency stated in the bus guide or at bus stop route information boards. They are not accurate. The bus companies change the frequency as and when they like without informing passengers.Originally posted by alantanchunshyan:but usually it would not exceed 15 mins .but for the case of 167,it exceed the frequency as stated in the bus guide.and also not just one 167 bus have this frequency interval.all the 167 buses have this 20 minutes frequency interval from sembawang rd end heading towards bt merah interchange.
As I have mentioned, service 167 towards Bukit Merah at night has lesser demand than the other direction, meaning the longer frequency. -
Yes, those frequencies CANNOT be believed. One trend I noticed, one always waits longer for TIBS buses especially at night. I can sit there waiting 20 mins for a Sv. 854, while 2 Sv. 25 and 2 Sv. 55 buses go by.Originally posted by tranquilice:Do not refer to the frequency stated in the bus guide or at bus stop route information boards. They are not accurate. The bus companies change the frequency as and when they like without informing passengers.
As I have mentioned, service 167 towards Bukit Merah at night has lesser demand than the other direction, meaning the longer frequency. -
well TIBS does better in the morning off peak (10am - 1pm) compared to STUPID SBS
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I HAVE to beg to differ.Originally posted by xin1jun2:well TIBS does better in the morning off peak (10am - 1pm) compared to STUPID SBS
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Take for example svc 852, both direction during the time frame is abt 17-25mins, sometimes even 30minutes! Even 2 Svc 39 buses had passed b4 i see a UK Lance 245 limp into the berth!
It may be argued that similar SBST svcs are the same, but had anyone waited for 20minutes to get a single deck on svc 74? No, even then it is always a batch of DDs,.....svc 156 and 151 are notorious for their long frequencies too, but chances are that u will get another speeding Mk4 no more than 5 minutes after the bus departs.
feeder service wise, TIBS is notorious for deploying 806 habits of freq of 20mins during off peak....i dun think SBST does that. They claim low demand, but the truth is tt many got fed-up waiting and took svc 804 instead, until some residents sent angry letters to the MP then TIBS resumed the normal freq of 7mins, cos the svc 806 matters are very volatile in my area.
TIBS has no more express svc so there's nothing to compare, anyway SBST also puts up the estimated departure time.
SBST is also considerate enough to put up 2 boards at Yishun interchange stating the departure times of svc 39 although there is no need for them to do so by PTC's regulations, as the freq is abt 14mins, and on Sundays, there are trips with 10-11mins interval near the evening......and similar plates on TIBS are far and few between....any one saw such plates? Normally they are on very infrequent svc like 177, and the best is 927 with a freq of ~20mins.
SBST also puts down the first and last bus departure for the nite owls at each bus stop, but TIBS does not, and the freq of NR1 varies a lot from 10mins to an hour.
Hence, in conclusion of the facts presented, i have no choice but to disagree wif ur assertion, and these reasons are also why i ve chosen SBST to be service provider of the year. -
Hey there everyone
I agree that Tibs buses have a longer waiting time than SBS Transit to a certain extent. Not every Tibs bus services has a longer waiting time than SBS Transit. Service 190 is one such example, having waiting time of 4-10 mins. However, I do agree that sometimes Tibs bus services takes a longer waiting time. One such example is Service 970, having clocked a waiting time of up to 45 mins...
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i really think tibs should do something about it.after i have feedback to tibs about the long waiting time of 980 and 856 ,the frequency slightly improved for 856 but not 980 .Originally posted by TIB1186Z:I HAVE to beg to differ.
Take for example svc 852, both direction during the time frame is abt 17-25mins, sometimes even 30minutes! Even 2 Svc 39 buses had passed b4 i see a UK Lance 245 limp into the berth!
It may be argued that similar SBST svcs are the same, but had anyone waited for 20minutes to get a single deck on svc 74? No, even then it is always a batch of DDs,.....svc 156 and 151 are notorious for their long frequencies too, but chances are that u will get another speeding Mk4 no more than 5 minutes after the bus departs.
feeder service wise, TIBS is notorious for deploying 806 habits of freq of 20mins during off peak....i dun think SBST does that. They claim low demand, but the truth is tt many got fed-up waiting and took svc 804 instead, until some residents sent angry letters to the MP then TIBS resumed the normal freq of 7mins, cos the svc 806 matters are very volatile in my area.
TIBS has no more express svc so there's nothing to compare, anyway SBST also puts up the estimated departure time.
SBST is also considerate enough to put up 2 boards at Yishun interchange stating the departure times of svc 39 although there is no need for them to do so by PTC's regulations, as the freq is abt 14mins, and on Sundays, there are trips with 10-11mins interval near the evening......and similar plates on TIBS are far and few between....any one saw such plates? Normally they are on very infrequent svc like 177, and the best is 927 with a freq of ~20mins.
SBST also puts down the first and last bus departure for the nite owls at each bus stop, but TIBS does not, and the freq of NR1 varies a lot from 10mins to an hour.
Hence, in conclusion of the facts presented, i have no choice but to disagree wif ur assertion, and these reasons are also why i ve chosen SBST to be service provider of the year. -
this goes to show how bad the waiting time for tibs bus is.i wonder if tibs is really interested in providing good bus service for the commutor or is just interested in making profit.Originally posted by SBS9818A:Yes, those frequencies CANNOT be believed. One trend I noticed, one always waits longer for TIBS buses especially at night. I can sit there waiting 20 mins for a Sv. 854, while 2 Sv. 25 and 2 Sv. 55 buses go by. -
i think for those tibs service which does not have at least half seats taken up along or beginning of the bus journey will have long waiting time like 970 etc.Originally posted by TIB822C:Hey there everyone
I agree that Tibs buses have a longer waiting time than SBS Transit to a certain extent. Not every Tibs bus services has a longer waiting time than SBS Transit. Service 190 is one such example, having waiting time of 4-10 mins. However, I do agree that sometimes Tibs bus services takes a longer waiting time. One such example is Service 970, having clocked a waiting time of up to 45 mins... -
For Service 190, TIBS has to be frequent all the time because there is SUPER HIGH demand for this service. it takes only 15 min from Bt Panjang to Far East (Excluding waiting time). On average, the waiting time is 5-6 min. Unless they're caught in traffic jams, their frequencies are perfectly fine.Originally posted by TIB822C:Hey there everyone
I agree that Tibs buses have a longer waiting time than SBS Transit to a certain extent. Not every Tibs bus services has a longer waiting time than SBS Transit. Service 190 is one such example, having waiting time of 4-10 mins. However, I do agree that sometimes Tibs bus services takes a longer waiting time. One such example is Service 970, having clocked a waiting time of up to 45 mins...
TIBS shouldnt use turbo-charged engines. They generally move faster than SBST which i think might cause the super long waiting times in some services. The earlier driver could have sped all the way while the later driver is being held up because of high commuter demand as a result of long waiting times. As the journey goes on, the waiting time for the later bus increases. -
I never did understand why SBS and TIBS do not do a commuter traffic profile so that they can manage the crowds.
It's annoying that you have been waiting for half and hour and the bus is the single type one and it's full of passenger instead of a double decker. You wait for another 20 minutes, another single deck bus.
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maybe that why tibs bus is always late.but that one of the possible reason.it was not when i decided to check the timing of the 167 waiting time then i realised what tibs could have been pracitisng all along-impose long waiting time.also tibs bus driver tend to drive the bus very fast .i wonder if they are in a hurry.this is not a common practise seem in sbstransit.i guess it is because there is few tibs bus for most tibsbus service,hence the bus driver have to speed to avoid more complaint about long waiting timeOriginally posted by service_238:For Service 190, TIBS has to be frequent all the time because there is SUPER HIGH demand for this service. it takes only 15 min from Bt Panjang to Far East (Excluding waiting time). On average, the waiting time is 5-6 min. Unless they're caught in traffic jams, their frequencies are perfectly fine.
TIBS shouldnt use turbo-charged engines. They generally move faster than SBST which i think might cause the super long waiting times in some services. The earlier driver could have sped all the way while the later driver is being held up because of high commuter demand as a result of long waiting times. As the journey goes on, the waiting time for the later bus increases. -
From my observation, service 970 has a very high demand in the evening peak hours from Shenton Way and Chinatown. About 80% of the bus is filled. However, it may be due to the long waiting time that the bus is packed.Originally posted by alantanchunshyan:i think for those tibs service which does not have at least half seats taken up along or beginning of the bus journey will have long waiting time like 970 etc. -
I checked the Tibs website..it seems to me that there abt 10 services whose waiting time is less than 10 minutes.
106/190/176 etc.
the mean waiting time is now 12 to 13 minutes..even for peak time.
sometimes u do get waiting times that are extra long...like i once waited for 106 for abt 45 minutes at BB interchange..then when i ask the driver, the driver told me no bus because jam...despite the fact i saw 3 buses goin back to depot... -
On Saturday, there was a huge jam along Somerset Rd at around 6pm. It was so huge that my bus got struck there for at least 15 min. as a result some buses had the same service.Originally posted by rancour5:I checked the Tibs website..it seems to me that there abt 10 services whose waiting time is less than 10 minutes.
106/190/176 etc.
the mean waiting time is now 12 to 13 minutes..even for peak time.
sometimes u do get waiting times that are extra long...like i once waited for 106 for abt 45 minutes at BB interchange..then when i ask the driver, the driver told me no bus because jam...despite the fact i saw 3 buses goin back to depot... -
i do not really know how tibs operate bus service.it seems their bus is always caught up in jam.but surely it happens many times in the past and tibs should have taken extra care by putting extra bus in route that will caught up in jam and the long waiting time will not hae occured.Originally posted by tranquilice:From my observation, service 970 has a very high demand in the evening peak hours from Shenton Way and Chinatown. About 80% of the bus is filled. However, it may be due to the long waiting time that the bus is packed. -
maybe u shall feedback to tibs through tibs website. i think why u waited so long for the bus is because due to low demand especially since 106 is cut short to marine centre.Originally posted by rancour5:I checked the Tibs website..it seems to me that there abt 10 services whose waiting time is less than 10 minutes.
106/190/176 etc.
the mean waiting time is now 12 to 13 minutes..even for peak time.
sometimes u do get waiting times that are extra long...like i once waited for 106 for abt 45 minutes at BB interchange..then when i ask the driver, the driver told me no bus because jam...despite the fact i saw 3 buses goin back to depot... -
Service 106 still has high demand, that's why bendy buses remain on the service.Originally posted by alantanchunshyan:maybe u shall feedback to tibs through tibs website. i think why u waited so long for the bus is because due to low demand especially since 106 is cut short to marine centre.