do u all think tibs bus have longer waiting time thn sbstra
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I'm tempted to do to those that have their timesheets on the dashboard! lolz..Originally posted by SBS9818A:Haha I thought you literally took the sheet of paper off. I would love to do so but my pencilbox is too heavy.
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It's SBST property so can't take. An alternative is taking a sheet of paper and copying down everything exactly.Originally posted by service_238:I'm tempted to do to those that have their timesheets on the dashboard! lolz.. -
I did that exactly.Originally posted by SBS9818A:It's SBST property so can't take. An alternative is taking a sheet of paper and copying down everything exactly. If paper wasnt around, my handphone would be the alternative. How's the timesheet? -
Not bad, thanks for the intensive research!Originally posted by service_238:I did that exactly. If paper wasnt around, my handphone would be the alternative. How's the timesheet? -
Yes, I would feel that I had to wait much longer for TIBS buses. It is not uncommon for one to wait for 20~30 minutes for TIBS 970 and 61.
However I would feel that TIBS buses travel at a much faster speed. Thus I enjoy TIBS ride rather than SBST ride. I took TIBS 61, 106 and 75 very often, the buses may travel at top speed along HOlland Road. On the other hand, SBST 7 travel at usual slow speed even during off-peak hour along a little traffic Holland ROad.
I had reported an incidence to SBST regarding SBST 198. I had commented the irregular arrival time at Commonwealth Ave towards North Buona VIsta. I waited for SBST 198 at bus stop at 0745 on most week day. As the bus stop at Commmonwealth Ave was only a few bus stops from Bukit Merah Interchange, I had expected the bus to arrive with little fluctuations. At times I waited for 30 minutes for SBST 198. I wrote to SBST and query how is it possible for me to wait for 30 minutes when the peak frequency was 8 minutes and the ride from Bukit Merah Interchange to Commonwealth Ave was a short and smooth one?
And after that query, though SBST 198 was pretty punctual, however I feel that it was not travel as fast as what I have been used to. That SBST 198 never speed along AYE towards Jurong.
Anyway, that incident happened 2 years back. And I vow never to report any long waiting time to SBST. Despite long waiting time, I prefer a much faster travelling speed. -
Generally, I find that TIBS (at least in the context of service 61) to be rather prompt with their frequencies as long you board them at or near the Interchange (approximately within 20 mins radius).
TIBS drivers tend to have uneven driving speeds and thus may cause a wide difference in frequencies when you are waiting for them mid-route.
For example, 2 weeks back, I was waiting for service 61 at Holland Avenue on the way back to Eunos. It only arrived after waiting for about 30 minutes. In fact, two 970s had come and gone. However, at Eunos Interchange, I find that service 61 has an average departing frequency of about 10 - 12 minutes, which is very acceptable by my standards. -
Yes, TIBS drivers are very punctual, they leave on time from interchanges, unlike SBST, even 5 minutes after scheduled departure time they are not even out yet!Originally posted by Yusry:Generally, I find that TIBS (at least in the context of service 61) to be rather prompt with their frequencies as long you board them at or near the Interchange (approximately within 20 mins radius).
TIBS drivers tend to have uneven driving speeds and thus may cause a wide difference in frequencies when you are waiting for them mid-route.
For example, 2 weeks back, I was waiting for service 61 at Holland Avenue on the way back to Eunos. It only arrived after waiting for about 30 minutes. In fact, two 970s had come and gone. However, at Eunos Interchange, I find that service 61 has an average departing frequency of about 10 - 12 minutes, which is very acceptable by my standards. -
Which SBST service is like that? From what I see SBST drivers take their own sweet time in getting out of the interchange.Originally posted by SBS9818A:Yes, TIBS drivers are very punctual, they leave on time from interchanges, unlike SBST, even 5 minutes after scheduled departure time they are not even out yet! -
On average, most trunk services will have frequencies of between 8 to 15 mins.
Also interesting to note that most newly introduced services will have peak headways of 12 mins and non peak headways at 15 mins.
If the bus proved to have high demands, for example services 168 and 969, the headway would be cut short to around 8 and 10 minutes.
Note: 8 to 10 mins for services 168 and 969 are for Saturdays only. However, I find that their peak hour headways have improved too. -
What does it means by headways? Is it same as frequency? The frequency for TIBS 61 is 9~14 minutes, and I had waited for 17 minutes for TIBS 61 on a Friday night. Or rather I just missed TIBS 61 (saw it went off), and waited for 17 minutes for another TIBS 61 arrived. Is it acceptable by 9~14 minutes standard?Originally posted by off_service:On average, most trunk services will have frequencies of between 8 to 15 mins.
Also interesting to note that most newly introduced services will have peak headways of 12 mins and non peak headways at 15 mins.
If the bus proved to have high demands, for example services 168 and 969, the headway would be cut short to around 8 and 10 minutes.
Note: 8 to 10 mins for services 168 and 969 are for Saturdays only. However, I find that their peak hour headways have improved too.
For Frequency 9~14 minutes, does it mean at most I need to wait for 14 minutes for that bus? -
the frequencies for sembawang bus services seem to have improved as i time it yesterday night from around 10pm-12am.seem punctual at intervals of around 15-17mins.by the way,does sbstransit have bus services with frequencies of 17mins at nightime after 10:30pm?
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SBST 200 for sure has frequency longer than 17min at all times.
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Headway in someway is similar to frequency. But note:Originally posted by iamgoondu:What does it means by headways? Is it same as frequency? The frequency for TIBS 61 is 9~14 minutes, and I had waited for 17 minutes for TIBS 61 on a Friday night. Or rather I just missed TIBS 61 (saw it went off), and waited for 17 minutes for another TIBS 61 arrived. Is it acceptable by 9~14 minutes standard?
For Frequency 9~14 minutes, does it mean at most I need to wait for 14 minutes for that bus?
Shorter headway = higher (or faster) frequency.
Longer headway = lower (or slower) frequency.
The headway of all services depends on the number of buses deployed, weather / traffic conditions and the speed drivers drive the bus.
The headway of 9 to 14 minutes is just a rough estimate. Sometimes we have to give some incentive to the waiting time. -
Going a bit OT here:
Frequency in the context of buses could be the following formula: number of departures / time.
So theoretically, frequency should be the inverse of a number: for example 1/9 departures/minutes (d/m) to 1/14 d/m .
The correct term to use for 9 - 14 mins should be period or what some of you term as "headway". -
Don't remind me about maths.Originally posted by Yusry:Going a bit OT here:
Frequency in the context of buses could be the following formula: number of departures / time.
So theoretically, frequency should be the inverse of a number: for example 1/9 departures/minutes (d/m) to 1/14 d/m .
The correct term to use for 9 - 14 mins should be period or what some of you term as "headway".
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So for a bus with headway of 9 to 14 minutes, the bus will leave the interchange at not more than 14 minutes interval?Originally posted by off_service:Headway in someway is similar to frequency. But note:
The headway of 9 to 14 minutes is just a rough estimate. Sometimes we have to give some incentive to the waiting time.
Strange many times I had seen two SBST 74 travelling along Clementi Road, though BV terminal was pretty near to Clementi Road.
And this afternoon I had waited for a full 35 minutes for TIBS106, and no TIBS106 in sight. I had to take cab in the end.
When first bus was caught in a heavy traffic jam, why the second, third, fourth... buses still left the terminal on scheduled, and caught in the jam as well??? Bus drivers should have the empowerment to pick up from alternative route (to avoid the traffic jam), at least those in the downstream need not have to suffer from the traffic jam too (waiting indefinitely).
That's not the record yet, I had waited for 45 minutes for TIBS 61, and eventually it arrived (at least). And the reason, a traffic accident along Tanglin Halt Road , resulting in massive jam. I may sound stupid to have waited for 45 minutes for a bus, however I would always feel that buses are on the way, thus I continue waiting rather than walk to busstops along HOlland Road or Commonwealth Ave.
Just a question, if a driver knows that there will be a traffic jam ahead of him, will he still drive to it and caught himself into the jam??? Example if there is a fallen tree that blocked Tanglin Halt Road, would a TIBS61 driver still drive into that road? -
I'm afraid for this, you have to contact Tibs.Originally posted by iamgoondu:So for a bus with headway of 9 to 14 minutes, the bus will leave the interchange at not more than 14 minutes interval?
Strange many times I had seen two SBST 74 travelling along Clementi Road, though BV terminal was pretty near to Clementi Road.
And this afternoon I had waited for a full 35 minutes for TIBS106, and no TIBS106 in sight. I had to take cab in the end.
When first bus was caught in a heavy traffic jam, why the second, third, fourth... buses still left the terminal on scheduled, and caught in the jam as well??? Bus drivers should have the empowerment to pick up from alternative route (to avoid the traffic jam), at least those in the downstream need not have to suffer from the traffic jam too (waiting indefinitely).
That's not the record yet, I had waited for 45 minutes for TIBS 61, and eventually it arrived (at least). And the reason, a traffic accident along Tanglin Halt Road , resulting in massive jam. I may sound stupid to have waited for 45 minutes for a bus, however I would always feel that buses are on the way, thus I continue waiting rather than walk to busstops along HOlland Road or Commonwealth Ave.
Just a question, if a driver knows that there will be a traffic jam ahead of him, will he still drive to it and caught himself into the jam??? Example if there is a fallen tree that blocked Tanglin Halt Road, would a TIBS61 driver still drive into that road?
I've waited once for a 167 bus for 1 hour plus at Jln Bt Merah. My dad asked the driver why he is so late. The driver replied, "Jam at Orchard". -
I had this experience in late 2002 when a tour coach bus broke down at the junction of Lorong 7 & Lorong 8 Toa Payoh. Svc 238 turn here towards Braddell Rd. I was in the first bus. As the bus approached behind the coach bus, the driver simply waited and waited. I dont know what's the reason. I felt like going up to the driver to take an alternative route but i didnt.
Soon after, the 2nd and 3rd bus came, queuing up behind the 1st bus. After being struck there for about 12 min, the driver alighted the frustrated and impatient passengers at Blk 17A Bus stop along Lorong 7. After that, the driver U-turn at a carpark entrance up ahead and continue its normal route from there.
Another person told me that one of the buses even cut through the carpark to get to Lorong 8! The carpark entrance was next to Blk 12 and the exit was next to Blk 11A. What an ingenious idea by that driver
Judging from this expereince, it seems like drivers are given strict instructions not to drive anywhere they want, especially if that place is not part of the route. But in situations like this, cant the driver be more flexible? -
Can I ask if any buses still continued their normal routes on roads affected during the road closure when Bush came to Singapore? That means they just stopped before the blockade and waited for the roads to be re-opened.
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Remember the fallen crane that blocked all 4 lanes of BKE going towards city? Svcs 190, 700 and 960 were ammended to ply Bt Timah Rd. Svc 187 was also ammended bcos the traffic build-up also blocked the exit to Bukit Panjang from BKE.
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How soon TIBS takes the deccision to amend the route? And what if there is a massive jam rather than road blocked, would TIBS amend the route too? What I meant was that what if the fallen crane block only 2 lanes and cause massive jams? Would TIBS still amend the route?Originally posted by oliver_yuen87:Remember the fallen crane that blocked all 4 lanes of BKE going towards city? Svcs 190, 700 and 960 were ammended to ply Bt Timah Rd. Svc 187 was also ammended bcos the traffic build-up also blocked the exit to Bukit Panjang from BKE.
Just like the massive jam along Orchard Road on Saturday afternoon (20 Dec), the road was not blocked but it just take more than the usual time to clear. Imagine waiting for full 35 minutes and no TIBS 106 arrive! -
For this weekend, the jam at Orchard is caused by last minute Xmas shopping. (Typical of singaporeans)
TIBS should deploy buses to serve from the outskirts of Orchard. For example-
TIB 77 106 from Orchard Blvd or Grange Rd.
TIB 171 700 from Scotts Rd or Bt Timah Rd
TIB 190 from Scotts Rd or Whitley Rd
TIB 167 from Scotts Rd or Newton Rd
I'm pleased at how SBST deploys its buses. They seemed to have more than enough buses to go around.
I've seen:
TIB 190 starting service from Whitley Rd (Raffles Town Club) on a weekday evening before. SBS 65 from Selegie Rd SBS 143 from Newton Rd -
Originally posted by service_238:
Yes, the bus captains should have radioed their bus companies and advise on the traffic conditions. And bus companies should always have backup plan on hand. For instance if there is a massive jam in Orchard Boulevard, TIBS should have deployed buses to start from Napier Road instead for TiBS 106 and TIBS 77.
[b]For this weekend, the jam at Orchard is caused by last minute Xmas shopping. (Typical of singaporeans)
TIBS should deploy buses to serve from the outskirts of Orchard. For example-
TIB 77 106 from Orchard Blvd or Grange Rd.
TIB 171 700 from Scotts Rd or Bt Timah Rd
TIB 190 from Scotts Rd or Whitley Rd
TIB 167 from Scotts Rd or Newton Rd
I'm pleased at how SBST deploys its buses. They seemed to have more than enough buses to go around.
Instead of spending obscene monies on GPC to locate their buses, the bus companies should have thought on how to keep their buses on schedule. I agree that road conditions are unpredictable, which may cause a bus schedule to go hay wire, but if they have a system which prevent buses to be caught in a jam or having buses to start plying from where the jam end, commuters at downstreams need not have to wondering for long why their buses not arriving.
That's especially important for someone like me, who at Holland Ave, only one bus to Clementi, one bus to Orchard and one bus to Chinatown. -
No, from my memory no buses were diverted, they just parked along TPE like fools.Originally posted by foxtrot1985:Can I ask if any buses still continued their normal routes on roads affected during the road closure when Bush came to Singapore? That means they just stopped before the blockade and waited for the roads to be re-opened. -
Perhaps PTC should enforce all bus companies to come out with a system to ensure they are able to handle unexpected jams.
Rather than asking bus companies to maintain a 24h bus directory phone service, what's more important would be a system to ensure buses won't be stuck in jams.