Serangoon Garden Terminal

• thots

  7 Dec 03, 02:20

  Remember last time there was Serangoon Garden Terminal before the services were relocated to present Serangoon Interchange (but can't remember the year).
  
  Roughly remember the services were,
  72, Serangoon Garden - Tg Rhu
  100, Serangoon Garden - World Trade Centre
  104, Serangoon Garden - Upper Cross Street
  106, Serangoon Garden - Bukit Batok
  107, can't recall the route, pass by Jln Toa Payoh? Correct me if I am wrong.
  217, Serangoon Garden - Serangoon Garden estate
  315, Serangoon Garden - Serangoon North Ave 1
  
  73 and 136 pass by Serangoon Garden but didn't terminate there.
  
  Any more services during those days?
• ^tamago^

  7 Dec 03, 02:52

  Services at Serangoon Gardens in 1979
  -------------------------------
  
  72: Serangoon Gardens Way - Tanjong Rhu via Paya Lebar Rd
  100: Serangoon Gardens Way - Prince Edward Rd via Aljunied Rd
  101: Serangoon Gardens Way - New Bridge Rd via Jln Besar
  104: Serangoon Gardens Way - Upp Cross St via Thomson Rd
  106: Serangoon Gardens Way - Commonwealth Ave via Orchard Rd
  107: Serangoon Gardens Way - Shenton Way via Beach Rd (express from Upp Serangoon Rd to Crawford St)
  217: Serangoon Gardens - Berwick Dr/Tavistock Ave
  
  73: Yio Chu Kang Rd (End) - Toa Payoh via Serangoon Gardens Way
  136: Ang Mo Kio - Upp Serangoon Rd (End) via Serangoon Gardens Way
  156: Toa Payoh - Upp Serangoon Rd (End) via Serangoon Gardens Way
  
  By 1985,
  Svc 100 was extended to World Trace Centre Terminal;
  Svc 106 was extended to Buona Vista Terminal;
  Svc 156 was withdrawn;
  Svc 315 was introduced to operate between Serangoon Gardens - Serangoon Ave 5 (current Serangoon North Ave 1).
  
  It is interesting to note that between pre-1985 to 1987 Serangoon North Ave 1 was called Serangoon Ave 5.
  
  Bt Batok Interchange was not completed before 1985. Buses terminated at a terminal along Bt Batok West Ave 3 near the polyclinic.
  
  Serangoon Gardens Terminal was probably shifted to current Serangoon Central's Interchange between 1985-1992.
  
  More information on past services can be found at these threads:
  what r the routes of the withdrawn feeders svc.?
  and
  Eulogy of certain service routes?
• thots

  7 Dec 03, 03:02

  Thanks for your reply, I am a bit curious as some sort remember 107 doesn't go Shenton Way via Upper Serangoon Road, any idea which route it took?
  156, the route from Serangoon Garden to Upper Serangoon (End) is the same as 136? Or 136 doesn't exist during those days?
• ^tamago^

  7 Dec 03, 03:51

  Svc 107 did ply Upp Serangoon Rd, but i can explain why you don't seem to recall as so.
  
  Before 1986 (and probably also 1987 but not 1988 ) motorists along Upp Serangoon Rd can only travel to Serangoon Gardens and Serangoon North via Braddell Rd and Lor Chuan, or via Yio Chu Kang Rd. This is because the current Serangoon Central area was not developed yet. In other words, Upp Serangoon Rd then still existed as it is now, spanning all the way to Punggol Rd, but there just wasn't Serangoon Ave 3, Serangoon Central and Boundary Rd to connect to Serangoon Gardens and Serangoon North from upp Serangoon Rd like we do now. So they have to use Braddell Rd or Yio Chu Kang Rd.
  
  Svc 107 (and also Svcs 101 and 106) plied via Lor Chuan and Braddell Rd on its way from Serangoon Gardens to Upp Serangoon Rd and vice versa. Thus, the actual sector of Upp Serangoon Rd plied is only between Braddell Rd and MacPherson Rd/PIE, and then, i believe, was only cemeteries, a hospital (Youngberg Memorial Hospital), a few factories (Singapore National Printers etc) and a private estate. So, you may not have remembered as clearly, since there isn't a prominent landmark there.
  
  Regarding Svc 156, i could not tell you the actual route as i do not have the info now. However, if u r interested, try visiting National Reference Library Singapore Resource Centre section at Central Library Level 3 and get a Bus Guide that is between 1979-83. It is at the very last shelf, call number is 388.3221.
  
  As for Svc 136, the old route from Ang Mo Kio up to Upp Serangoon Rd (End) is unchanged since its introduction in the 1970s. It is probable the route of Svc 156 duplicates that of Svc 136. But the bus system then is different from now. Then, SBS tries to provide direct links whenever possible between places to make it fast, cheap and convenient, thus duplication is common. Now the MRT forms the backbone of the Singapore Public Transport system, and thus new ideas of transferring instead of direct links is introduced and duplication is now a taboo.
  
  SERVICE 107 (Serangoon Gardens - Shenton Way (Loop)):
  [1985] Serangoon Gardens Terminal, (Serangoon Gardens Way), Lor Chuan, Boundary Rd, Lor Chuan, Braddell Rd, (Upp Serangoon Rd, Bendemeer Rd, Lavender St, Crawford St), Beach Rd, Connaught Dr, Collyer Quay, Raffles Quay, Shenton Way, (Keppel Rd), Anson Rd, Robinson Rd, (Collyer Quay, Fullerton Rd), Empress Place, (St. Andrew's Rd), Beach Rd, Jln Sultan, (Victoria St, Lavender St, Serangoon Rd, Upp Serangoon Rd), Braddell Rd, Lor Chuan, Boundary Rd, Lor Chuan, (Serangoon Gardens Way) and Serangoon Gardens Terminal.
  NOTE: () denotes non-stop sector.
• SBS9818A

  7 Dec 03, 07:55

  Did you forget Sv. 103? AFAIK it used to terminate at S'goon Gardens.
• thots

  7 Dec 03, 13:23

  Thanks ^tamago^.
• ^tamago^

  7 Dec 03, 15:07

  In 1979, Svc 103 plied between Jln Kayu (End) - Commonwealth Ave via Yio Chu Kang Rd and Upp Serangoon Rd. By 1985, it had been extended to Buona Vista Terminal. By 1993, it was cut short to terminate at New Bridge Rd Terminal. However, it never plied pass Serangoon Gardens Way. It only passed by a road outside Serangoon Gardens called Yio Chu Kang Rd=)
• ^tamago^

  7 Dec 03, 15:11

  no problem, thots=)
• SBS9818A

  7 Dec 03, 16:53

  Always thought Sv. 103 used to terminate at S'goon Gardens Ter for some funny reason, maybe because of the number.
• xin1jun2

  7 Dec 03, 23:47

  yes 103 terminated at Serangoon gardens before.
  there was a service 102 back then too...
  Service 102
  Plied between Serangoon Gardens and Prince Edward Road via Lorong Chuan,
  Braddell Road,Upper Serangoon Road, Jalan Besar, Bras Basah Road. Was
  probably withdrawn in the late 70s.
  
  ZYX
  
  
• ^tamago^

  7 Dec 03, 23:54

  not too sure if it's before 1979.. unless i pass by Central Library and check the closed-stacks for the bus guides of 1970s..
• SBS9818A

  8 Dec 03, 08:40

  Originally posted by ^tamago^:

  In 1979, Svc 103 plied between Jln Kayu (End) - Commonwealth Ave via Yio Chu Kang Rd and Upp Serangoon Rd. By 1985, it had been extended to Buona Vista Terminal. By 1993, it was cut short to terminate at New Bridge Rd Terminal. However, it never plied pass Serangoon Gardens Way. It only passed by a road outside Serangoon Gardens called Yio Chu Kang Rd=)

  Perhaps it could have terminated at Serangoon Gardens before 1979, I'm not too sure.
• ^tamago^

  8 Dec 03, 23:11

  Serangoon Gardens bus services in 1971
  -----------------------------------
  Associated Bus Services (Eastern Group)
  ----------------------------------
  72: Serangoon Gardens Estate - Tanjong Rhu/Rhu Cross via Paya Lebar Rd and Tanjong Katong Rd
  103: Serangoon Gardens Estate - Commonwealth Ave/North Buona Vista Rd via Yio Chu Kang Rd, Jln Besar, River Valley Rd and Margaret Dr
  103A: Serangoon Gardens Estate - Commonwealth Ave/North Buona Vista Rd via Lor Chuan, Braddell Rd, Jln Besar, River Valley Rd and Margaret Dr
  156: Toa Payoh Lor 1 - Upp Serangoon Rd via Serangoon Gardens Estate
  
  Singapore Traction Company
  ----------------------------------
  100: Serangoon Gardens Estate - Prince Edward Rd via Yio Chu Kang Rd and MacPherson Estate
  100A: Serangoon Gardens Estate - Finlayson Green (Loop) via Yio Chu Kang Rd and MacPherson Estate (weekday peak service)
  101: Serangoon Gardens Estate - New Bridge Rd/Neil Rd via Lor Chuan, Braddell Rd and Jln Besar
  101A: Serangoon Gardens Estate - New Bridge Rd/Neil Rd via Yio Chu Kang Rd and Jln Besar
  102: Serangoon Gardens Estate - Prince Edward Rd via Lor Chuan, Braddell Rd and Jln Besar
  102A: Serangoon Gardens Estate - Prince Edward Rd via Yio Chu Kang Rd and Jln Besar
  
  Northern group was operated by United Bus Company (UBS) (170 to Johore, 171 to Queen St etc) while western group was operated by Amalgamated Bus Companies (ABC), the smallest of all in terms of number of routes.
  
  Serangoon Interchange was moved to Serangoon Central in 1986-87.
  
  SERVICE 102 (Serangoon Gardens Estate - Prince Edward Rd):
  [1974] Serangoon Gardens Way, Lor Chuan, Braddell Rd, Upp Serangoon Rd, Bendemeer Rd, Jln Besar, Bencoolen St, Bras Basah Rd, (Nicoll Highway), Connaught Dr, Fullerton Rd, Collyer Quay, Raffles Quay, Shenton Way and Prince Edward Rd.
  And return via Shenton Way, Parsi Rd, Anson Rd, Robinson Rd, Market St, Cecil St, Collyer Quay, Fullerton Rd, High St, St. Andrew's Rd, Stamford Rd, Orchard Rd, Dhoby Ghaut, Selegie Rd, Serangoon Rd, Upp Serangoon Rd, Braddell Rd, Lor Chuan, Serangoon Gardens Way, Chartwell Dr, Burghley Dr, Berwick Dr and Serangoon Gardens Way.
  NOTE: During peak hours, 6 additional buses will operate an express service at a constant frequency of 10 minutes with limited stops from Serangoon Gardens Estate to Prince Edward Rd via Lavender St, Crawford St and Beach Rd and on its return journey via Beach Rd, Crawford St, North Bridge Rd, Sumbawa Rd, Kallang Rd and Lavender St.
  NOTE: Introduced before 1971. Withdrawn between 1976-1978.
  
  SERVICE 103 (Serangoon Gardens Estate - Commonwealth Ave/North Buona Vista Rd):
  [1971] Serangoon Gardens Way, Yio Chu Kang Rd, Upp Serangoon Rd, Bendemeer Rd, Whampoa North, Serangoon Rd, Boon Keng Rd, Bendemeer Rd, Jln Besar, Bencoolen St, Bras Basah Rd, North Bridge Rd, South Bridge Rd, (Upp Circular Rd), New Bridge Rd, River Valley Rd, (Delta Rd), Alexandra Rd, (Tanglin Rd), Margaret Dr, (Queensway), round Queen's Circus, Queensway, Holland Rd, North Buona Vista Rd and Commonwealth Ave.
  And return via Commonwealth Ave, North Buona Vista Rd, Holland Rd, Queensway, Margaret Dr, (Tanglin Rd), Alexandra Rd, (Delta Rd), River Valley Rd, Hill St, Stamford Rd, Orchard Rd, Dhoby Ghaut, Selegie Rd, Serangoon Rd, Upp Serangoon Rd, Yio Chu Kang Rd, Serangoon Gardens Way, Tavistock Ave, Hemsley Ave, Kensington Park Rd to Serangoon Gardens Circus.
  NOTE: Was operated by Associated Bus Services (ABS) before it was amalgamated with other bus companies to form Singapore Bus Services in 1973 and had its route extended to Jln Kayu (End).
  
  SERVICE 105 (Serangoon Gardens Estate - Prince Edward Rd):
  [1974] Serangoon Gardens Way, Yio Chu Kang Rd, Upp Serangoon Rd, Bendemeer Rd, Jln Besar, Bencoolen St, Bras Basah Rd, (Nicoll Highway), Connaught Dr, Fullerton Rd, Collyer Quay, Raffles Quay, Shenton Way and Prince Edward Rd.
  And return via Shenton Way, Parsi Rd, Anson Rd, Robinson Rd, Market St, Cecil St, Collyer Quay, Fullerton Rd, High St, St. Andrew's Rd, Stamford Rd, Orchard Rd, Dhoby Ghaut, Selegie Rd, Serangoon Rd, Upp Serangoon Rd, Yio Chu Kang Rd, Serangoon Gardens Way, Tavistock Ave, Hemsley Ave and Kensington Park Rd.
  NOTE: Introduced between 1971-1973. Withdrawn between 1976-1978.
  
  SERVICE 318 (Serangoon - Serangoon Gardens Way (Loop)):
  [1988] Serangoon Interchange, (Serangoon Central), Boundary Rd, Lor Chuan, Serangoon Gardens Way, Lor Chuan, Boundary Rd, (Serangoon Central) and Serangoon Interchange.
  NOTE: Introduced in 1986-87 when Serangoon Interchange shifted. Then, SBS 315 plied straight to Serangoon North Ave 1 via Yio Chu Kang Link/Rd. Integrated with SBS 315 in 1988.
  
• The_Bus_Guide

  9 Dec 03, 12:05

  Originally posted by ^tamago^:

  Services at Serangoon Gardens in 1979
  -------------------------------
  
  106: Serangoon Gardens Way - Commonwealth Ave via Orchard
  By 1985,
  Svc 106 was extended to Buona Vista Terminal;
  

  Regarding buses terminating at C'wealth Ave, I've traced the routes of some buses which used to end there and found out that it is actually the bus stop in front of Blk 43. This is where buses which come out from Buona Vista Terminal pick up their passengers today. Ever noticed that its bus bay is extra long? Its due to the fact that it was once a terminus! So buses which ended at C'wealth Ave were not exactly extended to Buona Vista Terminal.
  
  I realised there were a lack of proper terminals back then. Most services just end at the roadside. It confuses me somewhat as they look like loop services.
  
  I also found that many services ply along the same set of roads. I got tired of jotting down the same thing over and over and over again!
• ^tamago^

  9 Dec 03, 13:41

  i see.. thanks for the info..
• SBS9818A

  9 Dec 03, 15:37

  Originally posted by The_Bus_Guide:

  Regarding buses terminating at C'wealth Ave, I've traced the routes of some buses which used to end there and found out that it is actually the bus stop in front of Blk 43. This is where buses which come out from Buona Vista Terminal pick up their passengers today. Ever noticed that its bus bay is extra long? Its due to the fact that it was once a terminus! So buses which ended at C'wealth Ave were not exactly extended to Buona Vista Terminal.
  
  I realised there were a lack of proper terminals back then. Most services just end at the roadside. It confuses me somewhat as they look like loop services.
  
  I also found that many services ply along the same set of roads. I got tired of jotting down the same thing over and over and over again!

  Yes, Circuit Rd Terminal was a long bus bay outside Circuit Rd Hawker Center. It is still there but now is carpark. Ulu Pandan Terminal is still there, but the excess road has been painted over with white strips.
  
  Even back in 1990s Sengkang didn't have a proper terminal too. Buses then also parked by the roadside.
• tranquilice

  12 Dec 03, 23:47

  Originally posted by ^tamago^:

  SERVICE 102 (Serangoon Gardens Estate - Prince Edward Rd):
  [1974]
  
  NOTE: During peak hours, 6 additional buses will operate an express service at a constant frequency of 10 minutes with limited stops from Serangoon Gardens Estate to Prince Edward Rd via Lavender St, Crawford St and Beach Rd and on its return journey via Beach Rd, Crawford St, North Bridge Rd, Sumbawa Rd, Kallang Rd and Lavender St.
  NOTE: Introduced before 1971. Withdrawn between 1976-1978.
  
  

  Is Sumbawa Rd the present Jln Sultan?
  
• iamgoondu

  13 Dec 03, 00:37

  Originally posted by The_Bus_Guide:

  Regarding buses terminating at C'wealth Ave, I've traced the routes of some buses which used to end there and found out that it is actually the bus stop in front of Blk 43. This is where buses which come out from Buona Vista Terminal pick up their passengers today. Ever noticed that its bus bay is extra long? Its due to the fact that it was once a terminus! So buses which ended at C'wealth Ave were not exactly extended to Buona Vista Terminal.
  
  I realised there were a lack of proper terminals back then. Most services just end at the roadside. It confuses me somewhat as they look like loop services.
  
  I also found that many services ply along the same set of roads. I got tired of jotting down the same thing over and over and over again!

  Just to correct above statement.
  
  Ex - C'wealth Ave Terminal was infact the current car park (or rather lorry, bus park) next to Holland Drive Market/Food Center.
  
  Can't remember when they have moved the terminal to the current location (next to BV HDB Branch Office), and when the name change from C'wealth Ave to BV take effect.
• ^tamago^

  13 Dec 03, 15:05

  Originally posted by tranquilice:

  Is Sumbawa Rd the present Jln Sultan?
  

  Judging from the fact that right after Sumbawa Rd is Kallang Rd and not Victoria St, i believe it's not Jln Sultan but some funny road around Kallang Gas Works.. i have yet to consult past street directories in NRL nor know their call numbers yet..
• SBS9818A

  13 Dec 03, 16:48

  Originally posted by iamgoondu:

  Just to correct above statement.
  
  Ex - C'wealth Ave Terminal was infact the current car park (or rather lorry, bus park) next to Holland Drive Market/Food Center.
  
  Can't remember when they have moved the terminal to the current location (next to BV HDB Branch Office), and when the name change from C'wealth Ave to BV take effect.

  LTA is just plain wierd lah. The car park is just next to the BV Terminal right?
• iamgoondu

  13 Dec 03, 19:31

  Originally posted by SBS9818A:

  LTA is just plain wierd lah. The car park is just next to the BV Terminal right?

  You are right, the car park is just next to the current BV Terminal. However I believe LTA was not set up then, when they had decided to move.
  
  Infact, the current BV Terminal allows the buses to depart by Holland Drive (91, 191, 74, 95 depart from Holland Drive, however 32, 145 depart from North Buona Vista), this is not possible if BV Terminal remains at the car park. So I have no objection with the move.
• xin1jun2

  13 Dec 03, 21:04

  well i guess hte only exception lately was whne my army unit charted a lance 245 to visit the civil service college for soem function and the bus had to park in the car park..not the ter ..
  
  ZYX
• The_Bus_Guide

  14 Dec 03, 06:05

  Originally posted by iamgoondu:

  You are right, the car park is just next to the current BV Terminal. However I believe LTA was not set up then, when they had decided to move.
  
  Infact, the current BV Terminal allows the buses to depart by Holland Drive (91, 191, 74, 95 depart from Holland Drive, however 32, 145 depart from North Buona Vista), this is not possible if BV Terminal remains at the car park. So I have no objection with the move.

  In the 1980 Bus Guide, it states "......, Holland Dr, Nth Buona Vista Rd and C'wealth Ave". So I thought the buses ended by the roadside like Ulu Pandan. It looked like many buses terminate at car parks back then. There's Geylang Fringe Car Park (FCP), Delta Rd FCP, Holland Rd FCP etc. Even Labrador and Prince Edward were at car parks. Are there any more? What about Alexandra Rd (outside Alexandra Hospital)? Where did the buses stop?
• SBS9818A

  14 Dec 03, 12:36

  Originally posted by The_Bus_Guide:

  In the 1980 Bus Guide, it states "......, Holland Dr, Nth Buona Vista Rd and C'wealth Ave". So I thought the buses ended by the roadside like Ulu Pandan. It looked like many buses terminate at car parks back then. There's Geylang Fringe Car Park (FCP), Delta Rd FCP, Holland Rd FCP etc. Even Labrador and Prince Edward were at car parks. Are there any more? What about Alexandra Rd (outside Alexandra Hospital)? Where did the buses stop?

  Geylang Fringe Car Park is now Geylang Lor 1 Term. Delta Rd FCP is at junction of Lower Delta Rd and Alexandra Rd, and Holland Rd FCP is located at Dempsey Rd, the terminal structure is still present!
• ^tamago^

  15 Dec 03, 01:15

  judging that Kallang Rd started at the bridge of Rochor River could it be part of current Crawford Lane? or on the land now occupied by SIR? i have no answers yet (there seems to be less street directories than bus guides in NRL..) but jus to set u n myself thinking.. n also thus it might not be somewhere around old Kallang Gas Works if the above is true..