MRT Circle Line Phase 4 and 5 Announced!
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The locations and alignment for CCL phase 4 and 5 has been announced by LTA today. There will be 13 stations, of which 3 will be build later.
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Toa Payoh Rise station just outside MCDS building? Hmm, that's interesting. And why a station in the middle of a CEMETERY, for god's sake? Future nonetheless, but how soon are they going to redevelop the cemetery? It could be like Woodleigh, build station first, open it later.
And also Holland station is SIMPLY too near Buona Vista station! One-North and NUH also. -
Any guess which bus services will be affected ?
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The following services will definitely be withdrawn:Originally posted by Airbus330Captain:Any guess which bus services will be affected ?
Service 95: BV to NUH
Service 91: BV to Ayer Rajah Crescent
Service 191: BV to Portsdown
The following could be affected:
Service 200: Kent Ridge to Holland Drive (loop)
Service 153?
Service 93? -
Agree with the above PLUS....Originally posted by iamgoondu:The following services will definitely be withdrawn:
Service 95: BV to NUH
Service 91: BV to Ayer Rajah Crescent
Service 191: BV to Portsdown
Svc 93 could terminate at Serangoon (Not Again!) or Toa Payoh
Some services could be integrated.
One thing for sure. No services that ply Pasir Panjang Rd will be affected. That includes Svc 30 143 176 188 etc..
Svc 200 cant be amended - it's too short a route to be amended.
I honestly feel that not much amendments will be made when CCL Phrase 4 & 5 is opened. At most 8 Services will be affected.
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Holland station may be near to BV station, but it served commuters travelling along Holland Road. Its location allows one to make transfer along major road, Holland Road.Originally posted by SBS9818A:Toa Payoh Rise station just outside MCDS building? Hmm, that's interesting. And why a station in the middle of a CEMETERY, for god's sake? Future nonetheless, but how soon are they going to redevelop the cemetery? It could be like Woodleigh, build station first, open it later.
And also Holland station is SIMPLY too near Buona Vista station! One-North and NUH also.
What's your definition of being near? One-North, NUH and Holland are some of the essential stops, if there isn't, one may still have to rely on buses to travel to those places. With NUH, at least I wouldn't complaint if they were to remove Service 95 then.
I am wondering, why aren't they building a station at Science Park 2/3??? If they ever build a station at Science Park 2/3 (along South Buona Vista Road), SBST shall face little opposition in remove service 200. -
165 likely to be amended too as it duplicates Circle Line from MacRitchie to Holland Village....
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it would be better if they have a station at NUS (central library), unfortunately there isn't.
Perhaps NUS might have its own LRT which link NUH to itself.
Remember the previous proposed Buona Vista LRT that connect NUS to NUH to BV and HV? -
Possibly. But at the moment, NUS has a very good shuttle bus service (which I take everyday during my classes in NUS) A1/A2 which loops around NUS.Originally posted by iamgoondu:it would be better if they have a station at NUS (central library), unfortunately there isn't.
Perhaps NUS might have its own LRT which link NUH to itself.
Remember the previous proposed Buona Vista LRT that connect NUS to NUH to BV and HV? -
Sv. 165 from Hougang - Bishan ah?Originally posted by foxtrot1985:165 likely to be amended too as it duplicates Circle Line from MacRitchie to Holland Village.... -
If that turns into reality, the route is very redundant. Maybe Svc 165 could be the backbone route of the CCLOriginally posted by SBS9818A:Sv. 165 from Hougang - Bishan ah? -
In fact there is little duplication between 165 and CCL from Holland to Thomson. The only duplicate was from Holland Village and Adam Road (Serene Center).Originally posted by foxtrot1985:165 likely to be amended too as it duplicates Circle Line from MacRitchie to Holland Village....
165 provides connection between Clementi, Holland and Macritchie, Upper Thomson Road. 165 might cut back to run between AMK interchange and Clementi. However the route beween Holland V and Macritchie should remain intact. -
well in the white paper of soem year i did notice the LRT lien rounning in within NUS. i do belif there are plans for the LRT to connect to NUH stn in the near 30 years future...for now its ISBs. which are free i might addOriginally posted by Yusry:Possibly. But at the moment, NUS has a very good shuttle bus service (which I take everyday during my classes in NUS) A1/A2 which loops around NUS.
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i wonder if they will keep 200 oafter this thing pops out...CCL....
as for 165...looks like it could be withdrawn if LTA has it its way
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It's more likely that they withdraw 200 than 165. Service 200 is definitely running at a loss. Moreover SBST might be having a very hard time in maintaining the schedule arrival time at each bus-stop.Originally posted by xin1jun2:i wonder if they will keep 200 oafter this thing pops out...CCL....
as for 165...looks like it could be withdrawn if LTA has it its way
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If they ever withdraw 200, I shall miss the long and windy route along South Buona Vista.
What could be your favorite bus route? Mine would be 200! -
Sv. 200 indeed operates at a loss but SBST have to keep it.Originally posted by iamgoondu:It's more likely that they withdraw 200 than 165. Service 200 is definitely running at a loss. Moreover SBST might be having a very hard time in maintaining the schedule arrival time at each bus-stop.
If they ever withdraw 200, I shall miss the long and windy route along South Buona Vista.
What could be your favorite bus route? Mine would be 200! -
Get ready for another fare hike, just like the NEL.
Here are reasons:
1)The line is fully automated and it'll cost more to operate
2) Fully airconditioned more electricity need more money.
3) State of the equipment.
I'm just waiting for MRT staff to push the commuters into the train just like in Japan.
There is no alternative means of transport. Car is too expensive, bus services is being cut, no support to use bicycle.
I find that it's kind of strange that the motorcycle is not that popular here compared to in Thailand and Taiwan where it's very commom to see ladies riding one.
Let's not forget that you must have only one EZ link card and use it often or we'll have to pay more deposit to offset the cost.
World class public transport
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4-question post..
i was wondering if Stages 4 & 5 are to be constructed and completed together in 2010, why split them up into 2 stages?
the only logical reason is the connection to Buona Vista being seen as seperate from Stage 5 but wouldn't it be easier to jus put them as Stage 4?
or they planning to open up to One North while taking their time for the rest?
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It would be more logical to open them together, but you know LTA..Originally posted by ^tamago^:4-question post..
i was wondering if Stages 4 & 5 are to be constructed and completed together in 2010, why split them up into 2 stages?
the only logical reason is the connection to Buona Vista being seen as seperate from Stage 5 but wouldn't it be easier to jus put them as Stage 4?
or they planning to open up to One North while taking their time for the rest?
or opening within months of each other but not together? -
All station going to be underground?
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Yeah, I guess so.Originally posted by thots:All station going to be underground? -
My proposals to rationalize bus services in the area after opening of CCL, with the mindset that if i'm in charge of this at LTA and my job and "rice bowl" is at stake!
Stage 2 is repeated here as from discussions on previous post "Phase 4 of CCL coming soon!" for completeness.
STAGE 2 (OAP-TKT-PYL-MPS-UPL)
SERVICE 16: Cut short to operate between Bt Merah Int and Dhoby Ghaut MRT (loop at Bencoolen St). Withdrawn route covered by SBST 14 (Joo Chiat Rd), 36 (Marine Parade) and CCL.
SERVICE 30: Unchanged.
SERVICE 63: Cut short to operate between Eunos and Circuit Rd. Withdrawn route covered by SBST 139, EWL and CCL.
SERVICE 70: Amended to operate between Yio Chu Kang Ter and Eunos Int via Sims Ave/Changi Rd. Withdrawn route covered mainly by CCL; Guillemard Rd covered by SBST 7 and 197 at Paya Lebar MRT Interchange.
SERVICE 80: Cut short to operate between Sengkang Int and Geylang Lor 1 (Loop). Withdrawn route covered by SBST 2, 63, 145, MRT and NEL.
SERVICE 93: Withdrawn. Withdrawn route covered by SBST 28, 153, 157 and NEL.
STAGE 3 (Bartley - Marymount)
^ SERVICE 22: Cut short to ply between Tampines and Circuit Rd. Withdrawn sector covered by SBST 24 and CCL.
SERVICE 24: Amended to ply via Serangoon Station via Serangoon Central and Upp Serangoon Rd. Withdrawn sector covered by SBST 317.
SERVICE 28: Cut short to ply between Tampines and Bedok. Withdrawn sector covered by SBST 153, 155, CCL and EWL.
^ SERVICE 62: Cut short to ply between Punggol and Serangoon Rd/Serangoon Ave 1/Bartley Rd(Loop)/Upp Paya Lebar Rd via Bartley Station. Withdrawn sector covered by CCL and EWL.
^ SERVICE 70: Cut short to ply between Yio Chu Kang Ter and Serangoon Rd/Serangoon Ave 1/Bartley Rd(Loop)/Upp Paya Lebar Rd via Bartley Station. Withdrawn sector covered by CCL and EWL.
SERVICE 156: Unchanged.
^ SERVICE 158: Cut short to ply between Eunos Int and Tanjong Rhu via Sims Ave/Changi Rd. Withdrawn sector covered mainly by SBST (amended) 62, (amended) 70, CCL, NEL and EWL.
STAGE 4 (Adam - One North)
ADAM STATION: Additional bus stop along Bt Timah Rd (Outside Adam Station).
SERVICE 74: Unchanged.
SERVICE 153: Unchanged.
^ SERVICE 165: Withdrawn. Withdrawn route covered mainly by SBST 7, 74, 132 and 153, and CCL.
SERVICE 167: Amended to ply via Sin Ming Ave, Sin Ming Dr, Sin Ming Rd, Shunfu Rd, Marymount Station and Marymount Rd. Withdrawn sector covered mainly by SBST 132, 166, TIBS 855 and 980.
^ SERVICE 186: Cut short to ply between St. Michael's and Farrer Rd (loop at Holland Rd/Flyover) via Farrer Station. Withdrawn sector covered mainly by SBST 51, 131, 143, 153, TIBS 855, 970, CSS 608, EWL and CCL.
SERVICE 200: Unchanged. No changes until NUH and West Coast stations is opened.
SERVICE 852: Withdrawn. Withdrawn route covered mainly by SBST 66, 74, 170, 174, TIBS 171, 178, 855, 961, CCL and NSL.
SERVICE 855: Unchanged.
STAGE 5 (National University Hospital - HarbourFront)
SERVICE 10: Cut short to ply between Tampines and HarbourFront. Withdrawn sector covered mainly by SBST 30, 143 and CCL.
SERVICE 30: Unchanged.
SERVICE 33: Cut short to ply between Bedok and Buona Vista via Dover Rd, Dover Ave and Commonwealth Ave West. Withdrawn sector covered mainly by SBST 96, 166, and EWL and CCL.
^ SERVICE 51: Cut short to ply between Hougang Central and HarbourFront via Pasir Panjang and Telok Blangah stations, and Alexandra Rd. Withdrawn sector covered mainly by SBST 30, 143 and CCL.
SERVICE 91: Withdrawn. Withdrawn areas covered by SBST (amended) 95, buses plying Buona Vista Flyover and One North Station.
SERVICE 95: Cut short to ply between Kent Ridge and Ayer Rajah Ave (Loop) via One North Station. Integrates with SBST 91. Withdrawn sector covered mainly by SBST 191, 198 and CCL.
SERVICE 96: Unchanged.
SERVICE 97: Withdrawn. Withdrawn route covered mainly by SBST 195, 197, CCL, NEL and EWL.
SERVICE 143: Unchanged.
^ SERVICE 151: Withdrawn. Withdrawn route covered mainly by SBST 51, 62, 154 and CCL.
SERVICE 176: Unchanged.
SERVICE 188: Cut short to ply between Choa Chu Kang and Kent Ridge. Withdrawn sector covered mainly by SBST 30, 143, and NSL, EWL and CCL.
SERVICE 200: Cut short to ply between Kent Ridge and Science Park I via Science Park II (Pasir Panjang Rd). Withdrawn sector covered mainly by SBST 191, 198 and CCL.
SERVICE 855: Cut short to ply between Yishun and Bt Merah. Withdrawn sector covered by SBST 275 and CCL.
WHEN THOMSON STATION OPENS
SERVICES 167 & 980: Extended to loop at Thomson Station at Toa Payoh Rise in both directions.
WHEN WEST COAST STATION OPENS
SERVICE 200: Withdrawn. Withdrawn route covered by SBST 30, 143 and CCL.
^ Changes perceived to have no apparent benefit to SBS Transit and may face resistance -
Sv. 28 back to the good old days isn't it? Maybe having more services terminating at Eunos would be better since the place is very underutilized. Alternative could be Tampines - Bishan via the PIE,CTE, exiting at AMK Ave 1, such that the link to Paya Lebar is still preserved somewhat.Originally posted by ^tamago^:My proposals to rationalize bus services in the area after opening of CCL, with the mindset that if i'm in charge of this at LTA and my job and "rice bowl" is at stake!
Stage 2 is repeated here as from discussions on previous post "Phase 4 of CCL coming soon!" for completeness.
STAGE 2 (OAP-TKT-PYL-MPS-UPL)
SERVICE 16: Cut short to operate between Bt Merah Int and Dhoby Ghaut MRT (loop at Bencoolen St). Withdrawn route covered by SBST 14 (Joo Chiat Rd), 36 (Marine Parade) and CCL.
SERVICE 30: Unchanged.
SERVICE 63: Cut short to operate between Eunos and Circuit Rd. Withdrawn route covered by SBST 139, EWL and CCL.
SERVICE 70: Amended to operate between Yio Chu Kang Ter and Eunos Int via Sims Ave/Changi Rd. Withdrawn route covered mainly by CCL; Guillemard Rd covered by SBST 7 and 197 at Paya Lebar MRT Interchange.
SERVICE 80: Cut short to operate between Sengkang Int and Geylang Lor 1 (Loop). Withdrawn route covered by SBST 2, 63, 145, MRT and NEL.
SERVICE 93: Withdrawn. Withdrawn route covered by SBST 28, 153, 157 and NEL.[/quote]
SBST have said that if they cut Sv. 80, there will be a large public outroar. Possible route could be HarbourFront - Eunos, as it is the only service Geylang East residents have to go down to town.
I agree that Sv. 93 will be cut totally, it is quite pointless for it to exactly duplicate the CCL.
STAGE 3 (Bartley - Marymount)
^ SERVICE 22: Cut short to ply between Tampines and Circuit Rd. Withdrawn sector covered by SBST 24 and CCL.
SERVICE 24: Amended to ply via Serangoon Station via Serangoon Central and Upp Serangoon Rd. Withdrawn sector covered by SBST 317.
SERVICE 28: Cut short to ply between Tampines and Bedok. Withdrawn sector covered by SBST 153, 155, CCL and EWL.
^ SERVICE 62: Cut short to ply between Punggol and Serangoon Rd/Serangoon Ave 1/Bartley Rd(Loop)/Upp Paya Lebar Rd via Bartley Station. Withdrawn sector covered by CCL and EWL.
^ SERVICE 70: Cut short to ply between Yio Chu Kang Ter and Serangoon Rd/Serangoon Ave 1/Bartley Rd(Loop)/Upp Paya Lebar Rd via Bartley Station. Withdrawn sector covered by CCL and EWL.
SERVICE 156: Unchanged.
^ SERVICE 158: Cut short to ply between Eunos Int and Tanjong Rhu via Sims Ave/Changi Rd. Withdrawn sector covered mainly by SBST (amended) 62, (amended) 70, CCL, NEL and EWL.
Sv. 62 could loop at Potong Pasir even, or terminate at TPY, after all, it's not a very long detour.
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STAGE 4 (Adam - One North)
ADAM STATION: Additional bus stop along Bt Timah Rd (Outside Adam Station).
SERVICE 74: Unchanged.
SERVICE 153: Unchanged.
^ SERVICE 165: Withdrawn. Withdrawn route covered mainly by SBST 7, 74, 132 and 153, and CCL.
SERVICE 167: Amended to ply via Sin Ming Ave, Sin Ming Dr, Sin Ming Rd, Shunfu Rd, Marymount Station and Marymount Rd. Withdrawn sector covered mainly by SBST 132, 166, TIBS 855 and 980.
^ SERVICE 186: Cut short to ply between St. Michael's and Farrer Rd (loop at Holland Rd/Flyover) via Farrer Station. Withdrawn sector covered mainly by SBST 51, 131, 143, 153, TIBS 855, 970, CSS 608, EWL and CCL.
SERVICE 200: Unchanged. No changes until NUH and West Coast stations is opened.
SERVICE 852: Withdrawn. Withdrawn route covered mainly by SBST 66, 74, 170, 174, TIBS 171, 178, 855, 961, CCL and NSL.
SERVICE 855: Unchanged.
Why not Sv. 186 to Buona Vista, so that the loop is unnecessary. Not suprised Sv. 852 might be a candidate for withdrawal, Sv. 855 does serve some niche areas like YCK and Bukit Merah, so keep it.
STAGE 5 (National University Hospital - HarbourFront)
SERVICE 10: Cut short to ply between Tampines and HarbourFront. Withdrawn sector covered mainly by SBST 30, 143 and CCL.
SERVICE 30: Unchanged.
SERVICE 33: Cut short to ply between Bedok and Buona Vista via Dover Rd, Dover Ave and Commonwealth Ave West. Withdrawn sector covered mainly by SBST 96, 166, and EWL and CCL.
^ SERVICE 51: Cut short to ply between Hougang Central and HarbourFront via Pasir Panjang and Telok Blangah stations, and Alexandra Rd. Withdrawn sector covered mainly by SBST 30, 143 and CCL.
SERVICE 91: Withdrawn. Withdrawn areas covered by SBST (amended) 95, buses plying Buona Vista Flyover and One North Station.
SERVICE 95: Cut short to ply between Kent Ridge and Ayer Rajah Ave (Loop) via One North Station. Integrates with SBST 91. Withdrawn sector covered mainly by SBST 191, 198 and CCL.
SERVICE 96: Unchanged.
SERVICE 97: Withdrawn. Withdrawn route covered mainly by SBST 195, 197, CCL, NEL and EWL.
SERVICE 143: Unchanged.
^ SERVICE 151: Withdrawn. Withdrawn route covered mainly by SBST 51, 62, 154 and CCL.
SERVICE 176: Unchanged.
SERVICE 188: Cut short to ply between Choa Chu Kang and Kent Ridge. Withdrawn sector covered mainly by SBST 30, 143, and NSL, EWL and CCL.
SERVICE 200: Cut short to ply between Kent Ridge and Science Park I via Science Park II (Pasir Panjang Rd). Withdrawn sector covered mainly by SBST 191, 198 and CCL.
SERVICE 855: Cut short to ply between Yishun and Bt Merah. Withdrawn sector covered by SBST 275 and CCL.WHEN THOMSON STATION OPENS
Wouldn't Sv. 10 duplicate Sv. 65 in a sense they both go to the same place? Sv. 51 from HG Central to HarbourFront, meaning that it would turn left into Telok Blangah Rd from Alexandra instead of turning right now, correct?
SERVICES 167 & 980: Extended to loop at Thomson Station at Toa Payoh Rise in both directions.
WHEN WEST COAST STATION OPENS
SERVICE 200: Withdrawn. Withdrawn route covered by SBST 30, 143 and CCL.
^ Changes perceived to have no apparent benefit to SBS Transit and may face resistance -
Possibly true for Svc 80, then it will make a detour via Geylang East Central, then turn east to Eunos via Sims Ave East, providing a link to EWL and CCL. But i expected LTA to ask them to walk to Paya Lebar or Aljunied stations, or if u can't walk take Svc 155. Or cut Svc 80 to New Bridge Rd Ter? And I do believe Eunos Int is under-utilized. ^5=)
SBST have said that if they cut Sv. 80, there will be a large public outroar. Possible route could be HarbourFront - Eunos, as it is the only service Geylang East residents have to go down to town.
I agree that Sv. 93 will be cut totally, it is quite pointless for it to exactly duplicate the CCL.
The decision on Svc 93 was done considering its relatively low load compared to other services serving the area. It ain't completely duplicating CCL i'll think, so i didn't think about duplication too much when i decided that Svc 93 will be withdrawn. LTA had actually used the new ez-link system to collect data (boarding AND now alighting points data can be collected) to simulate what will happen if a specified group of service(s) were removed and number of passengers affected and stuff so i think the computer will probably throw Svc 93 out. haha..
Yup. I'm not sure if SBS Transit is too serious about providing long-distance express services unlike TIBS (they jus introduced 966). I expect LTA will ask passengers to take EWL then CCL to get from Tampines to Upp Paya Lebar Rd and Bishan.
Sv. 28 back to the good old days isn't it? Maybe having more services terminating at Eunos would be better since the place is very underutilized. Alternative could be Tampines - Bishan via the PIE,CTE, exiting at AMK Ave 1, such that the link to Paya Lebar is still preserved somewhat.
Sv. 62 could loop at Potong Pasir even, or terminate at TPY, after all, it's not a very long detour.
As for Svc 62 and 70 I'm not too sure, didn't dare to think too far. but it's a gd idea and a possibility. Heh..
For Svc 186, also, I didn't think that far.
Why not Sv. 186 to Buona Vista, so that the loop is unnecessary. Not suprised Sv. 852 might be a candidate for withdrawal, Sv. 855 does serve some niche areas like YCK and Bukit Merah, so keep it.
As for Svc 852, already it was a candidate for withdrawl when Woodlands Extension opened, I'm sure SMRT/TIBS will revisit the idea again and withdraw it. After all, it's load is not that fantastic (except school term peak) and could easily be diverted to SBST 74 or CCL-NSL.
As for Svc 855, at first I believe it could be withdrawn, but eventually I came to same conclusion as you. And after all, with Svc 93 and 852 removed, it is the only service left to serve Farrer-Bt Merah-HarbourFront link and YCK-Farrer link. As for PSA Building area currently served by Svc 93, well, take the CCL.
I was thinking with the relocation of St Andrew's Junior College, will the vacant area (together with the forest area further uphill near Depot Rd) be made to become another technological (and marine) hub since it will have enough land to reach critical mass and the government planning to have a station there jus made it seem like a feasible possibility the area could be redeveloped. Two-north, anyone? haha..
Not exactly duplicating Svc 65, Svc 10 does have its niche area (Tampines-Siglap-Shenton Way) and also terminal-to-terminal duplication is not uncommon, like Tampines-Bedok.
Wouldn't Sv. 10 duplicate Sv. 65 in a sense they both go to the same place? Sv. 51 from HG Central to HarbourFront, meaning that it would turn left into Telok Blangah Rd from Alexandra instead of turning right now, correct?
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If 28 is to be amended and Svc 93 were to be withdrawn, Bartley road will have no bus services going towards Braddell Rd!
28 may be kept or amended and Svc 93 may be kept as it acts as the backbone of CCL.
My speculation: Between 8-13 services will be affected - be it amendment or withdrawal. It will be comparable to NEL Rationalisation. It could be more because CCL is a long train route. It could be less as not many services duplicate CCL for more than 3/4 Stations (except 93)