Services affected by CCL
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What do you think will happen to Services 22, 24, 28, 76, 80 & 93?
Sv 22 : Withdrawn. Duplicates Sv 65 & 24.
Sv 24 : Left untouched. Possibly the backbone of the line?
Sv 28 : Left untouched.
Sv 70 : Withdrawn. A service can be amended to ply AMDEP streets which Sv 70 currently plies.
Sv 76 : Withdrawn. Marine Parade part covered by Sv 135, Ang Mo Kio Ave 3 part by Sv 25, 55, 132, 165, 74....
Sv 80 : Withdrawn. Service 2 can be amended to ply Geylang East Central.
Sv 93 : Either withdrawn or cut to Bishan - HarbourFront. [/b] -
Originally posted by leeJZ:
Sv. 80 and Sv. 93 have high possibilities of being withdrawn. Hope they keep Sv. 80 though, at least the SK - Paya Lebar stretch.
What do you think will happen to Services 22, 24, 28, 76, 80 & 93?
Sv 22 : Withdrawn. Duplicates Sv 65 & 24.
Sv 24 : Left untouched. Possibly the backbone of the line?
Sv 28 : Left untouched.
Sv 70 : Withdrawn. A service can be amended to ply AMDEP streets which Sv 70 currently plies.
Sv 76 : Withdrawn. Marine Parade part covered by Sv 135, Ang Mo Kio Ave 3 part by Sv 25, 55, 132, 165, 74....
Sv 80 : Withdrawn. Service 2 can be amended to ply Geylang East Central.
Sv 93 : Either withdrawn or cut to Bishan - HarbourFront. [/b] -
Originally posted by leeJZ:
either 22 or 24 will be cut short to serangoon.
What do you think will happen to Services 22, 24, 28, 76, 80 & 93?
Sv 22 : Withdrawn. Duplicates Sv 65 & 24.
Sv 24 : Left untouched. Possibly the backbone of the line?
Sv 28 : Left untouched.
Sv 70 : Withdrawn. A service can be amended to ply AMDEP streets which Sv 70 currently plies.
Sv 76 : Withdrawn. Marine Parade part covered by Sv 135, Ang Mo Kio Ave 3 part by Sv 25, 55, 132, 165, 74....
Sv 80 : Withdrawn. Service 2 can be amended to ply Geylang East Central.
Sv 93 : Either withdrawn or cut to Bishan - HarbourFront. [/b]
28 shouldnt be a problem
70 most likely cut short to serangoon or integrate with 80.
76 might be cut short to serangoon or loop somewhere.
80 cut be integrated with 70 with SK - KOV sector deleted.
93..... no comments about it but i guess it'll be cut short to start from either serangoon or bishan -
Too many services at S'goon IMO, you'll be making the place like another Marina Ctr. Sv. 93 and Sv. 22 can come to Bishan. Sv. 24 should not be cut, it is highly popular and the stretch of AMK Ave 8 isn't served by CCL.Originally posted by service_238:either 22 or 24 will be cut short to serangoon.
28 shouldnt be a problem
70 most likely cut short to serangoon or integrate with 80.
76 might be cut short to serangoon or loop somewhere.
80 cut be integrated with 70 with SK - KOV sector deleted.
93..... no comments about it but i guess it'll be cut short to start from either serangoon or bishan -
Service 22 IMO should be withdrawn, all parts of the journey can be filled. From Tampines Int - Tampines Ave 4 you have Sv 293 / 68, Bedok Reservoir Rd to Ubi Ave 2 you got Sv 65 / 66, then from Paya Lebar Rd to Ang Mo Kio Int there is Sv 24.
Service 24 is much more popular than Sv 22, you can get bunched up buses due to good frequency all throughout the day. The DD incapable airport basement doesnt help much either.
Any point of having an AMK - SGN service?
No point having a new YCK - HBF route. Still duplicates CCL. Might as well chop the two and divert Sv 2 to Geylang East Ctrl. -
If you chop 70 the yio chu kang road peeps will come after you!Originally posted by leeJZ:No point having a new YCK - HBF route. Still duplicates CCL. Might as well chop the two and divert Sv 2 to Geylang East Ctrl.
80 doesnt duplicate CCL in any way.
as for your 22..
what service goes from tampines ave 4 to ubi?
what service goes from tampines ave 4 to serangoon?
what service goes from ubi to serangoon?
what service goes from ubi to amk?
what service goes from bedok reservoir to serangoon?
what service goes from bedok reservoir to amk? -
Don't forget no other service goes straight from Tampines Ave 4 to Bedok Reservoir Rd. Cannot just withdraw just because there are ample service to cover certain sectors.Originally posted by leeJZ:Service 22 IMO should be withdrawn, all parts of the journey can be filled. From Tampines Int - Tampines Ave 4 you have Sv 293 / 68, Bedok Reservoir Rd to Ubi Ave 2 you got Sv 65 / 66, then from Paya Lebar Rd to Ang Mo Kio Int there is Sv 24.
Service 24 is much more popular than Sv 22, you can get bunched up buses due to good frequency all throughout the day. The DD incapable airport basement doesnt help much either.
Any point of having an AMK - SGN service?
No point having a new YCK - HBF route. Still duplicates CCL. Might as well chop the two and divert Sv 2 to Geylang East Ctrl. -
Tampines Ave 4 to Ubi : 293 to Tampines Ave 5, cross road, take 65Originally posted by service_238:If you chop 70 the yio chu kang road peeps will come after you!
80 doesnt duplicate CCL in any way.
as for your 22..
what service goes from tampines ave 4 to ubi?
what service goes from tampines ave 4 to serangoon?
what service goes from ubi to serangoon?
what service goes from ubi to amk?
what service goes from bedok reservoir to serangoon?
what service goes from bedok reservoir to amk?
Tampines Ave 4 to S'goon : 293 to Tampines Int, transfer 81
Ubi to Serangoon : 8 to Paya Lebar Rd, transfer 158
Ubi to Ang Mo Kio : 8 to Paya Lebar Rd, transfer 24
Bedok Reservoir to S'goon : 8 to Paya Lebar Rd, transfer 158
Bedok Reservoir to AMK : 8 to Paya Lebar Rd, transfer 24 -
So by your logic, SBST should not have been allowed to cut Sv 81 as no service on Pasir Ris Dr 1 plies Bendemeer Rd?Originally posted by SBS9818A:Don't forget no other service goes straight from Tampines Ave 4 to Bedok Reservoir Rd. Cannot just withdraw just because there are ample service to cover certain sectors.
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There are avenues for transfer in the case of Sv. 81, not the case for Sv. 22Originally posted by leeJZ:So by your logic, SBST should not have been allowed to cut Sv 81 as no service on Pasir Ris Dr 1 plies Bendemeer Rd? -
There is an alternative -Originally posted by SBS9818A:There are avenues for transfer in the case of Sv. 81, not the case for Sv. 22
293 / 68 to Tampines Ave 5, cross road and transfer to 65. -
nopoint arguing over this now.... CCL is still like 3 yrs to completion. leave it to the PTC to decide and then we'll make noise when they botch it up
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repeat from earlier posts:
CIRCLE LINE PHASE I (DBG-MSM-CVC-MLN-NCH-SDM)
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SERVICE 11: Withdrawn. Integrates with SBST 70.
SERVICE 16: Skips Stadium Drive and Stadium Boulevard by travelling via Mountbatten Rd.
SERVICE 36: Unchanged.
SERVICE 56: Withdrawn. Withdrawn route covered by SBST 54 and 88, MRT and NEL.
SERVICE 70: Cut back to operate between Yio Chu Kang Ter and Stadium CCL, looping at Stadium Boulevard via Nicoll Highway, Stadium Drive, Stadium Boulevard, Mountbatten Rd and Guillemard Rd for link to Stadium CCL Station.
SERVICE 75: Cut back to operate between Bt Panjang Int and Robinson Rd (AIA Bldg) in "towards city" direction, then parking at Shenton Way Ter. Operates between Shenton Way Ter and Bt Panjang Int in "from city" direction via Palmer Rd, Anson Rd, Cecil St, (Church St, Finlayson Green), Raffles Quay, Shenton Way and Cantonment Link/Rd.
SERVICE 77: Unchanged.
SERVICE 97: Cut back to operate between Jurong East Int and HarbourFront Int. Withdrawn route covered by Tanjong Pagar and Raffles Place MRT stations, and Convention Centre and Millenia CCL stations.
SERVICE 106: Amended to operate between Bt Batok Int and Dhoby Ghaut MRT (loop at Bencoolen St).
SERVICE 107: Cut short to operate between Hougang Central Int and Bugis MRT, looping via Beach Rd (Nicoll Highway CCL), Rochor Rd, Victoria St (Bugis MRT), Ophir Rd, then Beach Rd.
SERVICE 111: Amended to operate between Ghim Moh Ter and Dhoby Ghaut MRT (loop at Bencoolen St).
SERVICE 133: Unchanged.
SERVICE 162: Withdrawn. Withdrawn route in Bishan North and Sin Ming covered by SBST 410.
SERVICE 171: Amended to ply Temasek Boulevard and Temasek Ave for link to Millenia CCL Station on direction towards Marina Centre.
SERVICE 502: Amended to operate between Boon Lay Int and Dhoby Ghaut MRT (loop at Bencoolen St).
SERVICE 608: Withdrawn. Withdrawn route covered by SBST 10, 31, 36 and 196.
SERVICE 700: Withdrawn. Withdrawn route covered by TIBS 960, MRT and CCL.
SERVICE 960: Cut short to operate between Woodlands Reg Int and Queen St Ter.
STAGE 2 (OAP-TKT-PYL-MPS-UPL)
SERVICE 16: Cut short to operate between Bt Merah Int and Dhoby Ghaut MRT (loop at Bencoolen St). Withdrawn route covered by SBST 14 (Joo Chiat Rd), 36 (Marine Parade) and CCL.
SERVICE 30: Unchanged.
SERVICE 63: Cut short to operate between Eunos and Circuit Rd. Withdrawn route covered by SBST 139, EWL and CCL.
SERVICE 70: Amended to operate between Yio Chu Kang Ter and Eunos Int via Sims Ave/Changi Rd. Withdrawn route covered mainly by CCL; Guillemard Rd covered by SBST 7 and 197 at Paya Lebar MRT Interchange.
SERVICE 80: Cut short to operate between Sengkang Int and Geylang Lor 1 (Loop). Withdrawn route covered by SBST 2, 63, 145, MRT and NEL.
SERVICE 93: Withdrawn. Withdrawn route covered by SBST 28, 153, 157 and NEL.
STAGE 3 (Bartley - Marymount)
^ SERVICE 22: Cut short to ply between Tampines and Circuit Rd. Withdrawn sector covered by SBST 24 and CCL.
SERVICE 24: Amended to ply via Serangoon Station via Serangoon Central and Upp Serangoon Rd. Withdrawn sector covered by SBST 317.
SERVICE 28: Cut short to ply between Tampines and Bedok. Withdrawn sector covered by SBST 153, 155, CCL and EWL.
^ SERVICE 62: Cut short to ply between Punggol and Serangoon Rd/Serangoon Ave 1/Bartley Rd(Loop)/Upp Paya Lebar Rd via Bartley Station. Withdrawn sector covered by CCL and EWL.
^ SERVICE 70: Cut short to ply between Yio Chu Kang Ter and Serangoon Rd/Serangoon Ave 1/Bartley Rd(Loop)/Upp Paya Lebar Rd via Bartley Station. Withdrawn sector covered by CCL and EWL.
SERVICE 156: Unchanged.
^ SERVICE 158: Cut short to ply between Eunos Int and Tanjong Rhu via Sims Ave/Changi Rd. Withdrawn sector covered mainly by SBST (amended) 62, (amended) 70, CCL, NEL and EWL.
^ Changes perceived to have no apparent benefit to SBS Transit and may face resistance
forumers may be interested in these 2 past threads:
MRT Circle Line Phase 4 and 5 Announced!
Phase 4 of CCL (Coming soon too!) -
Huh! Nothing ever involves the 'ulu' town of CCK. So not fun...
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i still feel tt 106 shd be amended to loop at little india.. tt means it follows it oiringinal loop and then go via parco bugis and bugis village aka 960..
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So rich arh? Got money to spend. Wait till you no more student pass then see how? I want my 22 and 24... but 22 can maybe divert into Bishan instead of going S'goon as no bus from Bishan to Bedok/Tampines.Originally posted by leeJZ:Tampines Ave 4 to Ubi : 293 to Tampines Ave 5, cross road, take 65
Tampines Ave 4 to S'goon : 293 to Tampines Int, transfer 81
Ubi to Serangoon : 8 to Paya Lebar Rd, transfer 158
Ubi to Ang Mo Kio : 8 to Paya Lebar Rd, transfer 24
Bedok Reservoir to S'goon : 8 to Paya Lebar Rd, transfer 158
Bedok Reservoir to AMK : 8 to Paya Lebar Rd, transfer 24
btw, most people take 22 from Tampines all the way to AMK. This shows that it is essential.
btw do you all think that YCK Ter will be demolished as 70, 76, 162 are probably to vanish? This leaves 13, 72 & 825. These 3 services can be amended to AMK but 72 may need to do a big round to go past YCK Ter. -
The part(TAM ave 4) near BDK Resevoir rd will cause inconvenience to PAX if 22 is withdrawn/amended. 68 is a peak hour svc. Then passengers will start to complain. If possible, amend the center part of 22 journey. St hildas Sch pupils will have to squeese into 293 and 293 have to use DD/Bendy.Originally posted by leeJZ:There is an alternative -
293 / 68 to Tampines Ave 5, cross road and transfer to 65. -
All those trips only involve a single transfer...quite normal.Originally posted by freakybuses:So rich arh? Got money to spend. Wait till you no more student pass then see how? I want my 22 and 24... but 22 can maybe divert into Bishan instead of going S'goon as no bus from Bishan to Bedok/Tampines.
btw, most people take 22 from Tampines all the way to AMK. This shows that it is essential.
btw do you all think that YCK Ter will be demolished as 70, 76, 162 are probably to vanish? This leaves 13, 72 & 825. These 3 services can be amended to AMK but 72 may need to do a big round to go past YCK Ter.
From Bishan to Pasir Ris there is 53...to get to Tampines they can take 53 and transfer to 15 / 81 / 21 / 19. Bedok they can transfer to either 9 or 17 on Loyang Ave or go to the airport and take 24.
Some services can be extended from AMK to YCK to relieve the crowded temp interchange after 70 76 162 are possibly chopped.
And yes, 293 can get DDs IMO, loads can be comparable to 291. -
How do you explain if it's from Tampines Ave 4/Bedok Reservoir - Bishan? 22 sure faster if it's diverted. less than 40 mins.Originally posted by leeJZ:All those trips only involve a single transfer...quite normal.
From Bishan to Pasir Ris there is 53...to get to Tampines they can take 53 and transfer to 15 / 81 / 21 / 19. Bedok they can transfer to either 9 or 17 on Loyang Ave or go to the airport and take 24.
Some services can be extended from AMK to YCK to relieve the crowded temp interchange after 70 76 162 are possibly chopped.
And yes, 293 can get DDs IMO, loads can be comparable to 291. -
How will you go to Tampines Ave 4 South(No 293 there, only 6Originally posted by leeJZ:All those trips only involve a single transfer...quite normal.
From Bishan to Pasir Ris there is 53...to get to Tampines they can take 53 and transfer to 15 / 81 / 21 / 19. Bedok they can transfer to either 9 or 17 on Loyang Ave or go to the airport and take 24.
Some services can be extended from AMK to YCK to relieve the crowded temp interchange after 70 76 162 are possibly chopped.
And yes, 293 can get DDs IMO, loads can be comparable to 291.
to Bishan when 22 is withdrawn? Walk 3 bus stops then take 293, 81 and then 53? Actually, that will also create problems for residents of AMK. No direct links. And every AMKsians have the habit of no transfers as it's convenient now to go to the East, North, South and West. At most is they transfer to feeders. Withdrawal of 22 will cause people to lose links between Tampines, Bedok North and Ubi COMPLETELY! 24, 25 don't ply there. Btw, extending some services to YCK will cause more duplication of routes and YCK itself has lack of space too. -
14 doesn't ply Joo Chiat at all. Residents along that stretch of road will shoot you if your speculation became reality.Originally posted by ^tamago^:repeat from earlier posts:
CIRCLE LINE PHASE I (DBG-MSM-CVC-MLN-NCH-SDM)
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SERVICE 11: Withdrawn. Integrates with SBST 70.
SERVICE 16: Skips Stadium Drive and Stadium Boulevard by travelling via Mountbatten Rd.
SERVICE 36: Unchanged.
SERVICE 56: Withdrawn. Withdrawn route covered by SBST 54 and 88, MRT and NEL.
SERVICE 70: Cut back to operate between Yio Chu Kang Ter and Stadium CCL, looping at Stadium Boulevard via Nicoll Highway, Stadium Drive, Stadium Boulevard, Mountbatten Rd and Guillemard Rd for link to Stadium CCL Station.
SERVICE 75: Cut back to operate between Bt Panjang Int and Robinson Rd (AIA Bldg) in "towards city" direction, then parking at Shenton Way Ter. Operates between Shenton Way Ter and Bt Panjang Int in "from city" direction via Palmer Rd, Anson Rd, Cecil St, (Church St, Finlayson Green), Raffles Quay, Shenton Way and Cantonment Link/Rd.
SERVICE 77: Unchanged.
SERVICE 97: Cut back to operate between Jurong East Int and HarbourFront Int. Withdrawn route covered by Tanjong Pagar and Raffles Place MRT stations, and Convention Centre and Millenia CCL stations.
SERVICE 106: Amended to operate between Bt Batok Int and Dhoby Ghaut MRT (loop at Bencoolen St).
SERVICE 107: Cut short to operate between Hougang Central Int and Bugis MRT, looping via Beach Rd (Nicoll Highway CCL), Rochor Rd, Victoria St (Bugis MRT), Ophir Rd, then Beach Rd.
SERVICE 111: Amended to operate between Ghim Moh Ter and Dhoby Ghaut MRT (loop at Bencoolen St).
SERVICE 133: Unchanged.
SERVICE 162: Withdrawn. Withdrawn route in Bishan North and Sin Ming covered by SBST 410.
SERVICE 171: Amended to ply Temasek Boulevard and Temasek Ave for link to Millenia CCL Station on direction towards Marina Centre.
SERVICE 502: Amended to operate between Boon Lay Int and Dhoby Ghaut MRT (loop at Bencoolen St).
SERVICE 608: Withdrawn. Withdrawn route covered by SBST 10, 31, 36 and 196.
SERVICE 700: Withdrawn. Withdrawn route covered by TIBS 960, MRT and CCL.
SERVICE 960: Cut short to operate between Woodlands Reg Int and Queen St Ter.
STAGE 2 (OAP-TKT-PYL-MPS-UPL)
SERVICE 16: Cut short to operate between Bt Merah Int and Dhoby Ghaut MRT (loop at Bencoolen St). Withdrawn route covered by SBST 14 (Joo Chiat Rd), 36 (Marine Parade) and CCL.
SERVICE 30: Unchanged.
SERVICE 63: Cut short to operate between Eunos and Circuit Rd. Withdrawn route covered by SBST 139, EWL and CCL.
SERVICE 70: Amended to operate between Yio Chu Kang Ter and Eunos Int via Sims Ave/Changi Rd. Withdrawn route covered mainly by CCL; Guillemard Rd covered by SBST 7 and 197 at Paya Lebar MRT Interchange.
SERVICE 80: Cut short to operate between Sengkang Int and Geylang Lor 1 (Loop). Withdrawn route covered by SBST 2, 63, 145, MRT and NEL.
SERVICE 93: Withdrawn. Withdrawn route covered by SBST 28, 153, 157 and NEL.
STAGE 3 (Bartley - Marymount)
^ SERVICE 22: Cut short to ply between Tampines and Circuit Rd. Withdrawn sector covered by SBST 24 and CCL.
SERVICE 24: Amended to ply via Serangoon Station via Serangoon Central and Upp Serangoon Rd. Withdrawn sector covered by SBST 317.
SERVICE 28: Cut short to ply between Tampines and Bedok. Withdrawn sector covered by SBST 153, 155, CCL and EWL.
^ SERVICE 62: Cut short to ply between Punggol and Serangoon Rd/Serangoon Ave 1/Bartley Rd(Loop)/Upp Paya Lebar Rd via Bartley Station. Withdrawn sector covered by CCL and EWL.
^ SERVICE 70: Cut short to ply between Yio Chu Kang Ter and Serangoon Rd/Serangoon Ave 1/Bartley Rd(Loop)/Upp Paya Lebar Rd via Bartley Station. Withdrawn sector covered by CCL and EWL.
SERVICE 156: Unchanged.
^ SERVICE 158: Cut short to ply between Eunos Int and Tanjong Rhu via Sims Ave/Changi Rd. Withdrawn sector covered mainly by SBST (amended) 62, (amended) 70, CCL, NEL and EWL.
^ Changes perceived to have no apparent benefit to SBS Transit and may face resistance
forumers may be interested in these 2 past threads:
MRT Circle Line Phase 4 and 5 Announced!
Phase 4 of CCL (Coming soon too!) -
AMK residents will shoot also if 22,24 were to be cut short /withdrawn.Originally posted by iveco:14 doesn't ply Joo Chiat at all. Residents along that stretch of road will shoot you if your speculation became reality.
^tamago^, I believe you will shoot too... right?
btw, I will just pray hard that 852 won't kena chopped. -
Duplicated post.
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Well, in rationalisations, you sometimes loose direct links to places. CCK / BBT / Jln TPY lost their direct links to the airport when 989 was chopped.Originally posted by freakybuses:How will you go to Tampines Ave 4 South(No 293 there, only 6 to Bishan when 22 is withdrawn? Walk 3 bus stops then take 293, 81 and then 53? Actually, that will also create problems for residents of AMK. No direct links. And every AMKsians have the habit of no transfers as it's convenient now to go to the East, North, South and West. At most is they transfer to feeders. Withdrawal of 22 will cause people to lose links between Tampines, Bedok North and Ubi COMPLETELY! 24, 25 don't ply there. Btw, extending some services to YCK will cause more duplication of routes and YCK itself has lack of space too.
AMK - TAM : 25 to Hougang Ave 3, transfer 72. Or 86 to Punggol Rd, cross road and take 27.
AMK - PSR : 25 to Hougang Ave 3, transfer 8. Or 86 to Punggol Rd, cross road and take 88 / 89.
AMK - Ubi : 24 to Paya Lebar Rd, transfer 8
AMK - BDK Nth : 25 to Eunos Link, take 87. Or cross road, take 15 or 21. Alternative 24 or 25 to Bedok, transfer to feeder.
AMK lost their links completely?? No.
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Transferring is a hassle. Just because you feel this service should be withdrawn doesn't mean PTC will think that way. They will only chop parts of a route that duplicates MRT lines, so I think Sv. 22 is here to stay.Originally posted by leeJZ:Well, in rationalisations, you sometimes loose direct links to places. CCK / BBT / Jln TPY lost their direct links to the airport when 989 was chopped.
AMK - TAM : 25 to Hougang Ave 3, transfer 72
AMK - PSR : 25 to Hougang Ave 3, transfer 81
AMK - Ubi : 24 to Paya Lebar Rd, transfer 8
AMK - BDK Nth : 25 to Eunos Link, take 87. Or cross road, take 15 or 21. Alternative 24 or 25 to Bedok, transfer to feeder.
AMK lost their links completely?? No.
btw Sv 16 cannot be amended out of Joo Chiat Rd because it is the only service that plies there.