SBST low demand routes (Profitable as well)
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High demand stretch is between Orchard and Teban Gardens.Originally posted by sbst275:143: Toa Payoh to Chinatown, Jurong East to Teban Gardens
It doesn't really have high demand between Jurong East and Teban Gardens as there are alternative services 78 and 79. -
Think bus 200 is super low demand, if u want to travel from MOE Buona Vista to pasir panjang, and suai suai u saw the bus leaving as u run like mad from the pedestrian bridge, Damm! u have to wait for at least 30 mins for the next. Sometimes SBS(Super Bug of Singapore) say all this routes are low in demand, they reserve the rights to control the frequency and i think itz TOTALLY BULLSHIT! Why not they let the private bus operator to run it rather than "hogging" the line and give commuters a major headache?!
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TIBS trunks
858 : Demand is inside Woodlands, from Yishun - Jln Kayu / Changi Airport.
960 : Bukit Panjang - Marina Center has high demand, Woodlands - Bukit Panjang less
961 :
962 : Entire route is high demand
963 : Entire route has high demand during peak, average demand off peak, low demand during weekends
964 : Entire route is high demand
965 : Yishun - Sengkang has higher than average demand
966 : Entire route has average demand during peak, low demand off peak. Demand mainly along Woodlands Ave 3, Woodlands - Jln TPY, Jln TPY - Marine Parade, Marine Parade - Eunos.
969 : Yishun - Tampines has higher than average demand during weekdays, high demand during peak / weekends. Woodlands - Yishun has good demand.
851 : Entire route has high demand (needs more bendies!)
852 : Yishun - Bukit Timah Rd has high demand during school hours, low demand all other times for whole route
853 : Virtually entire route has average to high demand
854 : Entire route has average to high demand
855 : Yishun - Upp Thomson / Farrer - Jln Bukit Merah has good demand
856 : Industrial service, high demand throughout
857 : Whole route has average to high demand
859 : Whole route has high demand -
I take note of this but your is quite vague (No sectors)Originally posted by leeJZ:TIBS trunks
858 : Demand is inside Woodlands, from Yishun - Jln Kayu / Changi Airport.
960 : Bukit Panjang - Marina Center has high demand, Woodlands - Bukit Panjang less
961 :
962 : Entire route is high demand
963 : Entire route has high demand during peak, average demand off peak, low demand during weekends
964 : Entire route is high demand
965 : Yishun - Sengkang has higher than average demand
966 : Entire route has average demand during peak, low demand off peak. Demand mainly along Woodlands Ave 3, Woodlands - Jln TPY, Jln TPY - Marine Parade, Marine Parade - Eunos.
969 : Yishun - Tampines has higher than average demand during weekdays, high demand during peak / weekends. Woodlands - Yishun has good demand.
851 : Entire route has high demand (needs more bendies!)
852 : Yishun - Bukit Timah Rd has high demand during school hours, low demand all other times for whole route
853 : Virtually entire route has average to high demand
854 : Entire route has average to high demand
855 : Yishun - Upp Thomson / Farrer - Jln Bukit Merah has good demand
856 : Industrial service, high demand throughout
857 : Whole route has average to high demand
859 : Whole route has high demand -
Took note of this. But Toa Payoh stretch is also quite crowdedOriginally posted by tranquilice:High demand stretch is between Orchard and Teban Gardens.
It doesn't really have high demand between Jurong East and Teban Gardens as there are alternative services 78 and 79. -
Originally posted by crazy_prata:
Pte operators will cause a "cherry picking" of rts, look at the no of scheme B rts operating. 6 out of 21 only
Think bus 200 is super low demand, if u want to travel from MOE Buona Vista to pasir panjang, and suai suai u saw the bus leaving as u run like mad from the pedestrian bridge, Damm! u have to wait for at least 30 mins for the next. Sometimes SBS(Super Bug of Singapore) say all this routes are low in demand, they reserve the rights to control the frequency and i think itz TOTALLY BULLSHIT! Why not they let the private bus operator to run it rather than "hogging" the line and give commuters a major headache?!
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166: Upp Thomson Rd to SP
167: Upp Thomson Rd to Shenton Way
168: High on peak hr
169: Yishun MRT to Woodlands Ave 9 stretch, Oth sector high as well
170: High especially bet Kranji MRT to JB
171: Bt Panjang to Orchard Rd stretch
172: Entire stretch
173: Average
174: Boon Lay to Orchard Rd
175: Choa Chu Kang New Town, Sat extended to Lim Chu Kang (Because of NSF)
176: Entire stretch
177: Average
178: Bt Batok to Boon Lay stretch
179: Demand pattern similar to 96
180: Entire stretch
182: Entire stretch, 1 direction during peak hr
184: Entire stretch
186: Low demand except peak hr (Still v low though)
187: Entire stretch
188: Bt Batok to NUS stretch
189: Clementi MRT to West Coast Rd stretch
190: Entire stretch
191: Peak hr demand
192: Entire stretch, 1 direction demand on peak hr
193: Entire stretch, same as ab -
169 got quite a number take from AMK - Woodlands Ind Est.Originally posted by sbst275:166: Upp Thomson Rd to SP
167: Upp Thomson Rd to Shenton Way
168: High on peak hr
169: Yishun MRT to Woodlands Ave 9 stretch
170: High especially bet Kranji MRT to JB
171: Bt Panjang to Orchard Rd stretch
172: Entire stretch
173: Average
174: Boon Lay to Orchard Rd
175: Choa Chu Kang New Town, Sat extended to Lim Chu Kang (Because of NSF)
176: Entire stretch
177: Average
178: Bt Batok to Boon Lay stretch
179: Demand pattern similar to 96
180: Entire stretch
182: Entire stretch, 1 direction during peak hr
184: Entire stretch
186: Low demand except peak hr (Still v low though)
187: Entire stretch
188: Bt Batok to NUS stretch
189: Clementi MRT to West Coast Rd stretch
190: Entire stretch
191: Peak hr demand
192: Entire stretch, 1 direction demand on peak hr
193: Entire stretch, same as ab
btw, in reply to earlier post about 852, the demand from AMK - Bt Batok is rather high as MRT is slower in this case. -
For 852, I will look into this and adjust accordinglyOriginally posted by freakybuses:169 got quite a number take from AMK - Woodlands Ind Est.
btw, in reply to earlier post about 852, the demand from AMK - Bt Batok is rather high as MRT is slower in this case.
As for 169, the highest is still where I wrote abt. However, I will add in what you have written. Thanks for your comments -
194: 1 direction demand at the start and end of op hrs, demand v low except holidays
195: High between Tiong Bahru MRT and C'wealth
196: High, on all sector
197: High, on all sector
198: High, on all sector
199: Demand is same as 96
200: V low, except peak hrs
222: Feeder (I will explain later)
225: Feeder
228: Feeder
229: Feeder* (Average demand)
231: Feeder** (Vol depend on sch students)
232: Feeder
235: Feeder
238: Feeder*** (Alt trip during peak hr low)
240: Feeder
242: Feeder
243: Feeder
246: JIS
249: JIS
Feeder: Morning, demand is more towards Int. Off Peak average except at night when demand is only from Int and not return. PM Peak is high on both sides mostly
JIS: 1 direction peak hr demand, v low during off peak (Most I say) -
Explain the 238 demand in detail. I'd love to hear itOriginally posted by sbst275:232: Feeder
238: Feeder*** (Alt trip during peak hr low)
for 232, demand is rather the same on all sectors, highest in demand on a trip is between Braddell MRT to Braddell MRT via Lor 7 Toa Payoh.
Slightly lower demand from Braddell MRT to Toa Payoh MRT.
232 doesnt tally with your feeder demand in general. -
Say the 1st trip, it will be overloaded. The behind trip will have lots of seats and the cycle will repeat againOriginally posted by service_238:Explain the 238 demand in detail. I'd love to hear it
for 232, demand is rather the same on all sectors, highest in demand on a trip is between Braddell MRT to Braddell MRT via Lor 7 Toa Payoh.
Slightly lower demand from Braddell MRT to Toa Payoh MRT.
232 doesnt tally with your feeder demand in general.
As for 232, it is overcapacity, demand v low and brunching occurs -
251: JIS
252: JIS
254: JIS
255: JIS
257: JIS
261: Feeder
262: Feeder
265: Townlink (This goes to 222 as well)
268: Townlink
269: Feeder
272: Feeder
273: Feeder
274: Feeder
275: Feeder
282: Feeder
284: V low
285: Feeder
291: Townlink
292: Feeder
293: Townlink
300: Feeder
302: Feeder
307: Townlink
315: Feeder
317: Demand v low
325: Feeder
Townlink: AM Peak, towards direction to MRT or Int. PM Peak, bth sides. Off Peak, generally high except night when e.g 268 (Ind Est side demand v low).
I forgot
112: Low except Peak hr
113: Average, high at former 321 rt -
112 and 113 should be converted to townlinks, the second loop (after say 112 completes the St 21 loop) it should stop the bus stop outside the interchange, like 222 does.
btw is 291 and 293 the only two townlinks to have both loops starting from the interchange? -
But SBS wants to earn profitsOriginally posted by leeJZ:112 and 113 should be converted to townlinks, the second loop (after say 112 completes the St 21 loop) it should stop the bus stop outside the interchange, like 222 does.
btw is 291 and 293 the only two townlinks to have both loops starting from the interchange?
As for your 2nd qn, sv 307, 358, 359, 811, 812, 911, 912, 913 too have such arrangement -
333: Feeder, average
334: Feeder, very high demand
335: Feeder,
354: Holiday demand
358: Townlink
359: Townlink
371: Demand quite low
372: Feeder
400: Weekend demand
401: Average
403: Holiday demand, weekday average
405: Very low
410: Feeder, very high
502: Average
506: Very low, peak hr demand bet Bt Batok and Bedok Reservoir Rd
507: High
518: High between Tampines and CBD
605: Peak hr demand, but ridership is dropping
608: Average, high during peak hr between Bedok and Chinatown
700: 1 direction peak hr demand, off peak average
800: Feeder
804: Feeder
806: Feeder
811: Townlink
812: Townlink
825: Very low, 1 direction peak hr demand -
hold your horses man..Originally posted by sbst275:Say the 1st trip, it will be overloaded. The behind trip will have lots of seats and the cycle will repeat again
As for 232, it is overcapacity, demand v low and brunching occurs
for 232, brunching seldom occurs, and if it does, it will occur just after Braddell MRT. sometimes freq then will be as good as 3-4min.
Overcapacity? Show me a fully loaded trip of 232. PIctures will do
as for 238, that was in the past and it seldom happens now. On top of that, this will happen if that indian driver is the former and the chiongster driver, the latter.
For trips towards the interchange, the 238 buses have spaced out just nicely so that brunching seldom occurs and what you say seldom happens.
For trips from the interchange, it usually happens during the evening peak. However, due to monitoring by the green martians, the drivers control their own departure times and do not depart the interchange until its reasonably full.
Your statement for 238 DOES NOT apply after 8pm. Cos almost every trip is at full capacity and the next one applies.
If you want to argue more abt my service, feel free to do so i can give u a trip by trip analysis if u want. -
For 232, it is not overcapacity, rather it is undercapacity. Other services like 8, 26, 31, 90 are very packed while this 232 is very empty.Originally posted by service_238:hold your horses man..
for 232, brunching seldom occurs, and if it does, it will occur just after Braddell MRT. sometimes freq then will be as good as 3-4min.
Overcapacity? Show me a fully loaded trip of 232. PIctures will do
as for 238, that was in the past and it seldom happens now. On top of that, this will happen if that indian driver is the former and the chiongster driver, the latter.
For trips towards the interchange, the 238 buses have spaced out just nicely so that brunching seldom occurs and what you say seldom happens.
For trips from the interchange, it usually happens during the evening peak. However, due to monitoring by the green martians, the drivers control their own departure times and do not depart the interchange until its reasonably full.
Your statement for 238 DOES NOT apply after 8pm. Cos almost every trip is at full capacity and the next one applies.
If you want to argue more abt my service, feel free to do so i can give u a trip by trip analysis if u want.
For Sv 238, thks for this info. BTW, I did not talk abt aft 8pm as demand is high except return trip. What happened now, I still do see empty trips during peak as well (Occasionally though). BTW, do they have fixed timetable now?
238 too is special, need traffic inspectors to control -
I think u see 232 from the Toa Payoh MRT bus stop ah? U go over to Toa payoh Lor 7 (Blk 1Originally posted by sbst275:For 232, it is not overcapacity, rather it is undercapacity. Other services like 8, 26, 31, 90 are very packed while this 232 is very empty.
For Sv 238, thks for this info. BTW, I did not talk abt aft 8pm as demand is high except return trip. What happened now, I still do see empty trips during peak as well (Occasionally though). BTW, do they have fixed timetable now?
bus stop and see.. and also not forgetting Opp Braddell MRT Bus Stop
238 always have a fixed timetable. Its just that last time the drivers suka suka depart during evening peak. For now, they pace between themselves. I guess the green martian have briefed them abt it. -
Only that stretch? I actually complained abt brunching bef, it is very irritating when the buses arrive are empty. They have adjusted frequency to 8-10 mins (Which is quite comfortable).Originally posted by service_238:I think u see 232 from the Toa Payoh MRT bus stop ah? U go over to Toa payoh Lor 7 (Blk 1 bus stop and see.. and also not forgetting Opp Braddell MRT Bus Stop
238 always have a fixed timetable. Its just that last time the drivers suka suka depart during evening peak. For now, they pace between themselves. I guess the green martian have briefed them abt it.
Wait till I come with IBS Service 237 -
851: Entire stretch
852: Ang Mo Kio and Bt Batok stretch
853: Upp Serangoon Rd to Ang Mo Kio stretch, off peak hr demand v low
854: Yio Chu Kang Rd to Enous stretch
855: Average
856: Especially high between Sembawang MRT and Woodland Centre
857: Average, 1 direction peak hr demand. Weekend demand high (That's why bendies are deployed)
858: Average (I presume, need to take a look)
859: Entire stretch
900: Feeder
901: Feeder
903: Feeder
911: Townlink
912: Townlink
913: Townlink
920: Feeder
921: Demand relatively low except Petir Rd stretch
925: Low except peak hr (Slightly higher only)
926: Entire stretch
927: Demand v low except peak hr, weekend demand average
960: Entire stretch
961: Entire stretch -
NOW i know who's the one behind the long waiting time of 232Originally posted by sbst275:Only that stretch? I actually complained abt brunching bef, it is very irritating when the buses arrive are empty. They have adjusted frequency to 8-10 mins (Which is quite comfortable).
Wait till I come with IBS Service 237
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They actually adjusted when I complained, they were in fact reviewing the TPY feeder services at the same time. They also assured me that the aircon bus deployment is not abused as 231 demand is way too low with sometimes only 1 passenger when other services needs it. 231 too have 1-14 mins frequencyOriginally posted by service_238:NOW i know who's the one behind the long waiting time of 232 -
er as far as i know 231 doesnt have brunching all day. and another thing is that 231 doesnt have headways more than 10 min during off peak (except SUPER off peak)Originally posted by sbst275:They actually adjusted when I complained, they were in fact reviewing the TPY feeder services at the same time. They also assured me that the aircon bus deployment is not abused as 231 demand is way too low with sometimes only 1 passenger when other services needs it. 231 too have 1-14 mins frequency
If you dont know the market well, dont put on airs here.
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Service 307 only uses one berth. Pax going to Teck Whye board at the central stop.Originally posted by sbst275:As for your 2nd qn, sv 307, 358, 359, 811, 812, 911, 912, 913 too have such arrangement