Withdrawal of Service 605
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actually it's 1900 - 0630 the next day. now u noe why morning trains before 7am are especially crowded and buses too.Originally posted by leeJZ:Most of us know off peak as 0900 - 1630 and 1900 - 2400. -
What I meant is that 189 is low in demand near its loop areas
Peak hr actually starts at 1400 as buses are slowly dispatched out from depots. It is like a semi-peak hr.
As for 969, there is nothing special actually.. 965 and 966 have similar cases, low wkday demand but high weekend demand. -
no no. bus drivers do change shift at afternoon but it does not mean frequency is shorter. buses are dispatched out, but at the same time other buses come in to the depot.Originally posted by sbst275:Peak hr actually starts at 1400 as buses are slowly dispatched out from depots. It is like a semi-peak hr. -
woohoo Thursday evening 1855 hrs 969 queue all the way to SMRT control officeOriginally posted by leeJZ:969 is NOT trying hard to survive. It is still doing very well and virtually every trip during weekends / peak goes out with standing pax, even with bendies. There are still alot of bendies during weekends and a fair number on Thurs / Fri.
now let me give u a general picture of what's happening...Originally posted by sbst275:What I meant is that 189 is low in demand near its loop areas
Peak hr actually starts at 1400 as buses are slowly dispatched out from depots. It is like a semi-peak hr.
As for 969, there is nothing special actually.. 965 and 966 have similar cases, low wkday demand but high weekend demand.
Originally posted by ^tamago^:
no no. bus drivers do change shift at afternoon but it does not mean frequency is shorter. buses are dispatched out, but at the same time other buses come in to the depot.
Before 0630 the freq is vv lousy because those on split shift duties just got their buses out of the depot and just started their first trip frm the interchange.
after 0630 or 0700 u get the picture - Morning peak.
Depature from interchanges stagger after 0845 or 0900, depending on individual service because of 3 reasons
1. Morning Off-Peak
2. Morning Meal Break
3. SBST Split Shift Duty E drivers go back depot. Duty S drivers go back after 10am or so.. Again it depends on individual timesheet.
After 1200 hrs/1300 hrs the Duty E drivers come back into action, giving the fleet a small boost to its freq by 1 or 2 min. At the same time it also supplements the loads during school dismissal.
Duty S drivers kick into action after 1500 hrs or so for the same reason. Although u might find more buses in action with the same freq, there is only one reason why this is the case.
1. Evening Meal Break
Drivers have their evening meal breaks from 1630 - 1800 hrs, it coincides with the evening peak. As you noticed evening peak are never as freq as the morning peak for most services. This is the reason why.
And if u noticed trunk services stagger their freq again after 1800 hrs, again this timing would vary. Why? the split shift drivers are on their last trip and are ready to go back depot and pack up for the day. Generally, split shift drivers come back to the int between 1815 - 1930 hrs, before retiring to the depot after that...
so......... get the damn big picture?!?!? -
No, Ind svs frequency is better aft 1430Originally posted by ^tamago^:no no. bus drivers do change shift at afternoon but it does not mean frequency is shorter. buses are dispatched out, but at the same time other buses come in to the depot. -
If we follow your skewed logic then everyone will obviously have different off peak timings right? What makes you think that everyone on this forum will know what time your supposedly off-peak timings will be?Originally posted by sbst275:What I meant is the off peak to me (I.e 0930-1400 & 2000-2300)
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That's why I'm writing it down clearly right?Originally posted by SBS9818A:If we follow your skewed logic then everyone will obviously have different off peak timings right? What makes you think that everyone on this forum will know what time your supposedly off-peak timings will be? -
originally posted by service_238
Where did you get so much information from? Was it from Cpt Carbikebus of HGDEP?
now let me give u a general picture of what's happening... -
Better write down clearly, before you post your stand...Originally posted by sbst275:That's why I'm writing it down clearly right? -
ahha. for your info this info is based on my analysis of freq timings and deployments over the past 2-3 years.Originally posted by iveco:Where did you get so much information from? Was it from Cpt Carbikebus of HGDEP?
on top of that i copy timesheets also.
carbikebus care to verify the info i mentioned above? -
Ind Svs timings (Svs like JIS, 90, 94)
0600-0900: AM Peak
0901-1430: AM Off Peak
1431-1845: PM Peak
1846-2330: PM Off Peak -
nah...I think it'll be handed over to SMRTB to operate.Originally posted by ^tamago^:dun think Tibs will find it feasible. it's not a money-tree or a cash-cow.
expect to see it vanish in about 6 to 12 months from now (my estimation).
S/605 was unfortunate because of the rules and regulations governing it's operations' flexibility. Otherwise, it wld still continue to exist, but as a much shorter route. -
elaborate?Originally posted by Kiv:nah...I think it'll be handed over to SMRTB to operate.
S/605 was unfortunate because of the rules and regulations governing it's operations' flexibility. Otherwise, it wld still continue to exist, but as a much shorter route. -
Well, for one, S/605 runs into SBST's territory. Any changes made to it's route will thus be met with lots of protest and resistance, u can be sure of that.Originally posted by ^tamago^:elaborate? -
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what about 608? does your logic apply to it as well?Originally posted by Kiv:Well, for one, S/605 runs into SBST's territory. Any changes made to it's route will thus be met with lots of protest and resistance, u can be sure of that. -
Yes, they are considered Scheme B rts actually (But is it logical as it has its own rts like serving Chancery Lane for former 603? Scheme B duplicates (Like 60%) of a public bus rt)Originally posted by iveco:what about 608? does your logic apply to it as well? -
In a way, yes. It wld be hard for S/608 to become a "real" SMRTB service for the same reasons, even when it gets transfered over to SMRTB.Originally posted by iveco:what about 608? does your logic apply to it as well?
Convert it and it becomes a CTS. Touchy. -
CTS? What's that?
Already, we have lost many CSS connections. Thomson Rd to Stevens Rd via Chancery Lane/Balmoral Rd, Moulmein Rd to Bencoolen St via Thomson/Keng Lee Rds and soon, Sin Ming to Orchard Rd via PIE. I don't wish to see the demise of the familiar orange buses just like that. -
What's more, last time Chinatown had direct links to Nicoll Highway. If CSS 4 still existed, it would be the main link between Chinatown & Suntec.
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CTS- Cross-Territorial ServiceOriginally posted by iveco:CTS? What's that?
Already, we have lost many CSS connections. Thomson Rd to Stevens Rd via Chancery Lane/Balmoral Rd, Moulmein Rd to Bencoolen St via Thomson/Keng Lee Rds and soon, Sin Ming to Orchard Rd via PIE. I don't wish to see the demise of the familiar orange buses just like that.
Well, like it or not, the familiar orange buses is going to disappear in a short while. -
Also, Balestier Rd (between Thomson Rd and Kim Keat Rd) to Scotts Rd, Orchard Rd by CSS 603.Originally posted by iveco:CTS? What's that?
Already, we have lost many CSS connections. Thomson Rd to Stevens Rd via Chancery Lane/Balmoral Rd, Moulmein Rd to Bencoolen St via Thomson/Keng Lee Rds and soon, Sin Ming to Orchard Rd via PIE. I don't wish to see the demise of the familiar orange buses just like that. -
FYI, the 2 pairs of stops along Nicoll Highway (Suntec City and The Concourse) were added in 1994. Prior to that, the only pair of stop along the highway is near the National Stadium. And I don't think CSS 4 still existed in 1994.Originally posted by iveco:What's more, last time Chinatown had direct links to Nicoll Highway. If CSS 4 still existed, it would be the main link between Chinatown & Suntec. -
I know. This svc was plugged long ago, but it is in the CSS bus guide @ JRL. If it was never touched, it would serve as the link between Suntec and Chinatown.Originally posted by tranquilice:FYI, the 2 pairs of stops along Nicoll Highway (Suntec City and The Concourse) were added in 1994. Prior to that, the only pair of stop along the highway is near the National Stadium. And I don't think CSS 4 still existed in 1994.
I did feedback Tibs about extending 970 to Suntec, but they didn't seem very keen. -
How to? Passengers at Shenton Way will have no bus to Kim Seng Rd/ Zion RdOriginally posted by iveco:I know. This svc was plugged long ago, but it is in the CSS bus guide @ JRL. If it was never touched, it would serve as the link between Suntec and Chinatown.
I did feedback Tibs about extending 970 to Suntec, but they didn't seem very keen.