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Comparing NEL and EW,NS lines, I feel that the the EW,NS lines are much better designed and more tightly integrated.... When Tranferring form EW to NS lines we just need to walk over to the other side... However, for NEL we have to walk a long distance to transfer to another line... I always wonder how nice would it be to have a express service form NEL to Cityhall without transferring Just like the ones at Woodland...
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It's because EWL and NSL were designed at the same time.Originally posted by pkcheah100:Comparing NEL and EW,NS lines, I feel that the the EW,NS lines are much better designed and more tightly integrated.... When Tranferring form EW to NS lines we just need to walk over to the other side... However, for NEL we have to walk a long distance to transfer to another line... I always wonder how nice would it be to have a express service form NEL to Cityhall without transferring Just like the ones at Woodland... -
Wait till you see Masjid Jamek Interchange in KL. Then you will be wishing for those in Singapore, whether you need to walk down the underpass or not.Originally posted by pkcheah100:Comparing NEL and EW,NS lines, I feel that the the EW,NS lines are much better designed and more tightly integrated.... When Tranferring form EW to NS lines we just need to walk over to the other side... However, for NEL we have to walk a long distance to transfer to another line... I always wonder how nice would it be to have a express service form NEL to Cityhall without transferring Just like the ones at Woodland... -
Hmm... i don't think the woodland extension build around the same time.....Originally posted by kenmin:It's because EWL and NSL were designed at the same time. -
ain't u talking about the transfer at Raffles Place and City Hall stations? What does it gotta do with Woodland extension??Originally posted by pkcheah100:Hmm... i don't think the woodland extension build around the same time.....
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Time is GMT + 8 hours
Posted: 29 December 2004 2021 hrs
LTA to build Boon Lay MRT extension
SINGAPORE : The Land Transport Authority will be extending the East West Line from Boon Lay Station westwards into the Jurong Industrial Estate.
The project, known Boon Lay MRT Extension, will have two MRT stations.
One will be built at Jurong West Street 63, and the other at Joo Koon Circle, near the junction of Benoi Road and International Road.
The project will cost about $436 million.
Construction will start in the second half of next year and is expected to be completed in 2009. - CNA
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I dunno, but how come the NEL trains seem to be brighter than NSL/EWL trains, even wif the new Kawasaki black trains... Also, the tunnel at NEL looks brighter even tho the lights are off... Juz curious.
Also, dunno whether SMRT will continue to by the siemens trains... Got green tinted glasses... So cool when they first came out, now like SMRT did not clean them, the undercarriage look brownish...
Oh yah, for a tip, when going from Bishan to Sengkang, board the 5th last door of the south bound train, when at dhoby ghaut, sure staircase nearest to you, choing up the staircase, sprint thru the hall and down the escalators, dip down another escalator, wait at the 7th last door of the train, come out at Sengkang, sure escalator in front of you... Just a tip for those travellers... Oh yah, did 45 secs running from NSL Dhoby Ghaut platform to NEL platform... ANybody wanna better that?
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I am here to answer ur questions:Originally posted by Gazette05:I dunno, but how come the NEL trains seem to be brighter than NSL/EWL trains, even wif the new Kawasaki black trains... Also, the tunnel at NEL looks brighter even tho the lights are off... Juz curious.
Also, dunno whether SMRT will continue to by the siemens trains... Got green tinted glasses... So cool when they first came out, now like SMRT did not clean them, the undercarriage look brownish...
Oh yah, for a tip, when going from Bishan to Sengkang, board the 5th last door of the south bound train, when at dhoby ghaut, sure staircase nearest to you, choing up the staircase, sprint thru the hall and down the escalators, dip down another escalator, wait at the 7th last door of the train, come out at Sengkang, sure escalator in front of you... Just a tip for those travellers... Oh yah, did 45 secs running from NSL Dhoby Ghaut platform to NEL platform... ANybody wanna better that?
Happy New Year!
After another 2 to 3 yrs down the road, the NEL trains will be as dim as the present SMRT trains.
SMRT will not be buying any more Siemen trains. It was a failure. Simply sucks! Main con almost got into 'trouble' wif the LTA.
The 'brownish' is the dirt, not rusty and the undercarriage excuse washing lah. -
How many people actually commute between Bishan and Sengkang using MRT?!Originally posted by Gazette05:......
Oh yah, for a tip, when going from Bishan to Sengkang, board the 5th last door of the south bound train, when at dhoby ghaut, sure staircase nearest to you, choing up the staircase, sprint thru the hall and down the escalators, dip down another escalator, wait at the 7th last door of the train, come out at Sengkang, sure escalator in front of you... Just a tip for those travellers... Oh yah, did 45 secs running from NSL Dhoby Ghaut platform to NEL platform... ANybody wanna better that?
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True, true, 156 faster....Originally posted by kenmin:How many people actually commute between Bishan and Sengkang using MRT?! 
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I think that the reason why there is low ridership of NEL is that for the North East line, if people living in Sengkang for example, wishes to go to Woodlands, they will not take NEL and transfer to NSL. They can board bus 161 or 965. Similarly, if they want to go to the Eastern region of Singapore, they wouldn't take the NEL either. They can take bus 27, 88, 89. NEL is only linked to the NSL once and EWL once at Dhoby Ghaut and Outram Park respectively while NSL is linked to the EWL thrice at Jurong East and City Hall and Raffles Place. Besides that, NEL runs places that are still under developed.
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What actually made Siemens trains a failure though??Originally posted by Manager433:SMRT will not be buying any more Siemen trains. It was a failure. Simply sucks! Main
con almost got into 'trouble' wif the LTA.
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This is my full report and analysis on all the types of MRT trains operating right now.
Correct me if I'm wrong (below):
Ok, I know that there are 3 train types (2 painted in white with red logos, one fully
black)
1. Kawasaki
These trains were the first to ply since the beginning of the MRT system. They have
been the only type operating till the year end of 1996 when SMRT bought Siemens trains.
After 2000, when the Kawasaki trains were operating with the Siemens and the "black,
refurbished, and super-new" trains, most of them started adopting ads on the trains
...probably to hide the fact that they're ageing??
Spotting a Kawasaki train
Exterior:
FRONT - Every train has a number assigned to it (eg. train #012) and is displayed on
something which I like to call a billboard. On this train, it is located on the
right side, front, top of the the train. The billboard is of the old-school type where
the individual digits ( 0 , 1 , 2 ) are plastic signage that are manually cranked
(turned) if the operator wants to change the train number. Think casino jackpot machine
- the numbers spinning. It's something like that. Also, it is lighted by a normal bulb
(emits yellowish light).
Interior:
Clean, but the interior is a bit dull. The wood paneling on the floor looks
like...well...a bark of a tree.
The glass paneling at the sides of the train doors have straight tops. Put it simply,
it's just a simple piece of square glass, no funny angles (compared to the Siemens
trains, which I will describe later).
Look up above the doors. The cornices at the top of the doors (that is, the top
opposite corners of the train) are curved at the cornice ends.
Engine and environment: Out of the 3 trains compared, the volume of the Kawasaki's
engine is ranked 2nd loudest.
When it goes through a curve, not much sound proofing. The steel wheels makes a lot of
scraping ("pshh pshh") sounds as it negotiates a curved train track. Centrifugal force
dampening is weak; the train "bounces" heavily to the direction of the curve and back.
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2. Siemens
Bought in the year end of 1996 (the Woodlands North-South line wasn't completed yet,
but would be in a short time), these trains looked the same as the old Kawasakis.
Seriously, in my opinion, it wouldn't be surprising if people actually can't
differentiate between these two. However, there are a few differences for those who
actually observe and listen:
Spotting a Siemens train
Exterior:
FRONT - Don't bother looking at the train's exterior body, you can't tell the
difference (but I know on careful inspection the body is different from the Kawasaki
and the refurbished "black" train). However you can look at the number billboard:
On this train, it is located on the right side, front, top of the the train (same as
the Kawasakis). The billboard however, is electronic. It is a yellow dot-matrix
electronic screen where every dot (or pixel) is actually a paper pixel that flips to
display either a yellow or a black:
Don't understand? It's the same as the electronic bus number billboards used in SMRT
buses.
Still don't understand? If you see a billboard with 3 yellow numbers (back-lighted by a
white fluoroscent light), then that train is a Siemens.
Interior:
Clean, colors are brighter.
The floors near the exit doors have black strips of sandpaper to prevent you from
falling down if your shoes are wet.
The glass paneling at the sides of the train doors look like a slab of glass...It's
just that it looks like one of its sides have been cut off and now it faces 45 degrees.code:
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/ | <-- left corner appears "cut-off"
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The cornices at the top of the doors are flat and detailess, and face 45 degrees.
Look carefully at any of the windows. It's tinted a bit green. Also, on the bottom
corners of the windows are engraved text on who manufactured the windows. If it says
Glaströsh then its highly likely you're on a Siemens train.
Engine and environment:
Out of the 3 trains compared, the volume of the Siemens' engine is ranked the loudest.
However it's not the sound that causes ear-piercing pain; nothing of that sort. It's
the loud lower pitch whine of the engine when accelerating from stationary/decelerating
to stationary.
When it goes through a curve, sound proofing satisfactory. The steel wheels makes a
noticeable amount of scraping ("pshh pshh") sounds as it negotiates a curved train
track. Centrifugal force dampening is ok; the train still "bounces" though, but not
enough for people to start "dancing" to the left and right.
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3. Refurbished new "Black" trains (don't know the name)
These trains started appearing in 2000 (??). I also got a brochure out from SMRT's
newest train back then. The brochure promised passengers that the trains have
improvements compared to the original trains like more standing room, announcement-
system speakers with lots of clarity, etc... which I will be explaining in the next few
paragraphs.
Spotting this new "black" train
Exterior:
SIDES - Seems to me that SMRT took a number of Kawasaki train bodies, painted it black,
then put it back during refurbishment.
FRONT - On this train, the number billboard is located on the right side, front, top of
the the train (same...). Like the Siemens train, the billboard is electronically
operated. The very obvious difference is that the numbers are in orange. Every pixel on
this dot-matrix screen are actually bright orange LED lights (unlike Siemens'
black/yellow paper pixel technology).
It's the same technology for Singapore's traffic lights. All dotted LED lights.
To compliment this sleek billboard, the front body of the train has been changed. Head
on, the front is slanted a bit to improve aerodynamics, and the paneling is bright
white too, coupled with smart sleek lines. I like to call this the "Mercedes C Class"
refurbished version of the Kawasaki trains.
Interior:
Clean, colors are brighter, architecture (colors) are very artistic.
I don't know whether the floors near the exit doors have black strips of sandpaper to
prevent you from falling down if your shoes are wet...better ride one to find out...
The glass paneling at the sides of the train doors look like those in Kawasaki's
trains...
What's good about these trains are that they offer:
- Fat seat space (less seats
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- Center Vertical Handlebars: Instead of one pole for people to grab on, each and every
single pole branch out to 3 poles. So more hands can hold a pole.
- Red LED lights on top corners of the exits blink when doors are about to close.
- Speakers announcing the train stations and misc have been upgraded. Announcements now
sounds clearer.
- Lower "emergency" buttons near the doors.
- LCD TV screens at the train's 2 cornices below each of the passenger windows.
- Exterior: The center pivot points (articulations) joining 2 train carriages have
strong but flexible rubber to stop people from falling in.
- To compliment in-MRT announcements, LCD billboard newstickers on the ceilings!! They
scroll animated text telling you what's the next station, where the train will
terminate, etc...
Engine and environment:
The softest, when it comes to engine sound. It is acheived probably by soundproofing
the engine so all you hear is an almost quiet high pitch whine on
acceleration/deceleration.
However, during passenger embarkation/disembarkation I also noticed there's a sound
associated with air being released ("shhhhhhhhhhh sound"). My prediction is the train's
advanced suspension adjusting itself to the weight of the train.
During transit and sometimes when negotiating curves, the train might make the
abovementioned sound.
When it goes through a curve, sound proofing is very good. The steel wheels makes a
small amount of scraping sounds as it negotiates a curved train track. Centrifugal
force dampening is also good; the train "bounces" the least.
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Hope you enjoyed the report. If on the MRTs you notice behaviour different from what
I've just described, share it with us.
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FYI: The post above is a report and analysis of the model types of MRTs currently operating (excluding NEL). If you want to add NEL trains, feel free to do so.
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To: gotairbus
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Pls.. you got it WRONG... The kawasaki Black trains were NEW.. they Were bought in 2001(if nt wrong).. THEY ARE NOT TRAINS THAT WERE TOOK OUT OF SERVICE, REFURBISH THEN PUT BACK TO SERVICE.....
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I dun think so... SBS takes pride, train arrive HarbourFront got ppl clean the train liaoOriginally posted by Manager433:I am here to answer ur questions:
After another 2 to 3 yrs down the road, the NEL trains will be as dim as the present SMRT trains.
SMRT will not be buying any more Siemen trains. It was a failure. Simply sucks! Main con almost got into 'trouble' wif the LTA.
The 'brownish' is the dirt, not rusty and the undercarriage excuse washing lah. -
Ok. Sorry.Originally posted by sBs_boy:Pls.. you got it WRONG... The kawasaki Black trains were NEW.. they Were bought in 2001(if nt wrong).. THEY ARE NOT TRAINS THAT WERE TOOK OUT OF SERVICE, REFURBISH THEN PUT BACK TO SERVICE.....
But seriously, why are the paneling (esp. the doors) look like they were imported from the old trains...
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the black "3G" (3rd Generation) trains are totally new ones, delivered in 2001/2002. everything is new in this train, it's jus tat it resembles an updated version of the 1G trains. the main difference is that it features a fully pneumatic (air) system for its doors, suspension, brakes (tat's why it brakes harder and more powerful) etc, a new bodywork and interior colour scheme, ability to set automatic mode (AM) for automatic operation of trains (full details unknown) with the onboard computer, Visual Passenger Information System (VPIS), doors closing red-coloured warning LED, orange EDS for TRN, amongst others.Originally posted by gotairbus:Ok. Sorry.
But seriously, why are the paneling (esp. the doors) look like they were imported from the old trains...
...wait, the train is new and all -- you mean the engines, gearbox, interior deco, etc only??
regarding the engine type, 1G uses Kawasaki DC chopper traction motors, while 3G uses Kawasaki AC traction motors.
trains do not use gearboxes.
the panelling and doors of new "3G" trains are like the old "1G" trains becuase both series are made by Kawasaki Nippon Sharyo Heavy Industries and so they spot the same basic designs, jus that one is delivered in the 1980s while the other in 2001/2002. -
Comparing NEL and EW,NS lines, I feel that the the EW,NS lines are much better designed and more tightly integrated.... When Tranferring form EW to NS lines we just need to walk over to the other side... However, for NEL we have to walk a long distance to transfer to another line... I always wonder how nice would it be to have a express service form NEL to Cityhall without transferring Just like the ones at Woodland...
the NEL was built after the EW n NS lines..when the LTA decided to build the NEL..it was totally impossible to build the interchanges directly next to the existing lines..it would mean a lot of inconveniences and possibly..structural damage..therefore the long distances..yupps..Hmm... i don't think the woodland extension build around the same time.....
i tink LTA oredi decided to build the woodlands extension the same time as the existing line..juz that in phases i guess?? so they built three platforms in jurong east first..so all they had 2 do was connect the tracks tgt n tats it.. -
to gotairbus:
if one is reli keen on singapore's MRT..i believe he or she can immediately differentiate which train model from the other..all our models have distinct differences with their sounds emitted during acceleration & deceleration..
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1 question..can i tell the number of throttle notches each model has by listening 2 the different changes in the engine sounds while accelerating??im not so sure.. -
technically yes. but u have to have experience in differentiating these stuff as some throttle changes are not quite straight-forward.Originally posted by sErviCe17rOx:to gotairbus:
1 question..can i tell the number of throttle notches each model has by listening 2 the different changes in the engine sounds while accelerating??im not so sure.. -
Notice also that the 3 stations with 3 platforms, ie Ang Mo Kio, Jurong East and Tanah Merah stations are all 'entrance' stations to the Bishan, Ulu Pandan and Changi MRT Depots respectively.Originally posted by sErviCe17rOx:i tink LTA oredi decided to build the woodlands extension the same time as the existing line..juz that in phases i guess?? so they built three platforms in jurong east first..so all they had 2 do was connect the tracks tgt n tats it.. -
anybody know the actual reason, why although the Circle line intersect East west line at a point between city hall and bugis, no interchange station is built.
Also, the circle line stage one will open in 2009/2010. does this mean that the rest of the stage one stations also finish so late or will they finishes earlier? since stations like dhoby ghaut / stadium works has not stopped for long, right? if they can open stage 2 in 2007, can they open the stadium station as well? i thinks that the depot is along stage 2 so i think stage 2 and other stage can open without stage one actually opening first....ironic....stage one is almost becoming last stage to finish....poor dhoby ghaut......cannot open.........:p -
Wonder what type of trains will the circle line be using. I heard rumours that circle line will only have 3 cabins. Wonder if that's true. I guess the circle line would probably run at a faster speed since distance between stations is longer. cool.
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4 cabins. The circle line is a medium-traffic line unlike the NS,EW & NEL. Those are heavy traffic lines.Originally posted by ah_kwang:Wonder what type of trains will the circle line be using. I heard rumours that circle line will only have 3 cabins. Wonder if that's true. I guess the circle line would probably run at a faster speed since distance between stations is longer. cool. 