Need Help with biking in SG!!!
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Hi alll!!!!
i've just enrolled for my 2B license at SSDC...my first practical test's next monday....looking fwd to it!
i'm not very clear on quite a few things abt biking in singapore, so really hoping to get some help here!
1. I am planning to buy a cruiser....but have a budget of abt 3k max.... what's my best bid? i jsut know of the phantom...but are there other bikes that make better deals? I am open to 2nd hand bikes as well..but need some advise..whether or not i should consider a 2nd hand bike at all..or jsut pump in some more cash 'n get a new one!?!?!
2. How much would the COE cost? How about insurance ? road tax?
3. If i go for an installment plan...how much interest will i be charged?
4. A burning question in my head ---- what do u mean when u say this bike is FQ plate...or FV plate...or whatever? how are these plates determined? what do they imply?
5. how much would the avg monthly maintenance of a bike (say, phantom 200) be? (fuel / parking / ERP ....what else?)
6. any good places recommended....for buying bikes? cheap 'n good?!
Thanks guyzz...really looking fwd to ur answers! -
Besides the phantom, there's Steed and Virago. But the popular choice would be the Phantom.Originally posted by nasty_sandy:Hi alll!!!!
i've just enrolled for my 2B license at SSDC...my first practical test's next monday....looking fwd to it!
i'm not very clear on quite a few things abt biking in singapore, so really hoping to get some help here!
1. I am planning to buy a cruiser....but have a budget of abt 3k max.... what's my best bid? i jsut know of the phantom...but are there other bikes that make better deals? I am open to 2nd hand bikes as well..but need some advise..whether or not i should consider a 2nd hand bike at all..or jsut pump in some more cash 'n get a new one!?!?!
2. How much would the COE cost? How about insurance ? road tax?
3. If i go for an installment plan...how much interest will i be charged?
4. A burning question in my head ---- what do u mean when u say this bike is FQ plate...or FV plate...or whatever? how are these plates determined? what do they imply?
5. how much would the avg monthly maintenance of a bike (say, phantom 200) be? (fuel / parking / ERP ....what else?)
6. any good places recommended....for buying bikes? cheap 'n good?!
Thanks guyzz...really looking fwd to ur answers!
If you plan to upgrade your license and bike in future, it is recommended that you get a 2nd hand bike. But if you get a first hand bike and it breaks down, it is either yours or the manufacturer's fault. I feel better if my bike conks out and I know that I am the cause of it.
COE you will have to check the COE listings every month. Other than that the bike shop will tell you how much the COE is. I normally don't bother about this because no matter what the bike's COE is still cheaper than a car's.
Insurance is dependant on your age and what kind of bike you're riding. Young person on a sportsbike, high insurance. Old man on a less appealing bike, cheaper insurance.
Road tax is dependant on the bike's cc.
For instalments, different shops offer different rates. When you hear 5% over 3 years, it is 15%. The last known range I heard of would be 3%-5%. I can't remember because my last bike I paid full.
The plates you hear kinda let you know what year the bike was out... FR, FQ, FV... the current plate now is, FZ. So in future people mention a FZ plate, you can roughly gauge that it was out around 2004-5. But like cars, there are people who buy number plates so if you hear anything special, then the generation of the bike isn't accurate anymore.
I used to ride a phantom 200 and for a full tank inclusive of reserve costing $11-15 took me 250-300+km. Parking charges, eh I can't remember I pay by GIRO. It's still cheaper than a car. ERP, depends on how often you go in. Don't forget to put some money aside for fines.
Where to buy bikes? Hmmm there are a few shops, depends on whether you want good after service or some other factors. Some shops sell cheap, you get your bike and then they don't care about you. Some require you to pay more and you can send it back for servicing for around 3 sessions without paying anything. Its a give and take situation, you gotta know what you want.
Hope this helps. For any incorrect/outdated info, pls provide the correct/updated one. -
hey thanks a lot!!! that sure's a lot of help!!
wondering what's hte best cruiser for a 2B? ...hmmm....economical yet stylo... -
maybe u`ll like to take a look at SHADOW??Originally posted by nasty_sandy:hey thanks a lot!!! that sure's a lot of help!!
wondering what's hte best cruiser for a 2B? ...hmmm....economical yet stylo...
heard my fren say they recently come out w a 2B version...
other than that
u might wanna take a look at SP or kawasaki? -
Depending on the handle bar - foot peg position there are 3 categories of motorcycles.
Racer : Handle bar forward and low, foot peg to the rear, causing the rider to lean forward.
Easy rider : Chopper handle par, foot peg to the front, causing the rider to lean back and relax.
Tourer: The middle of the two above.
For SG roads, you have to decide what the bike is for.
Commuting or leisure.
The racer is best for riding position while commuting.
The tourer is for long distance riding, like into Malaysia.
The easy rider, for 2B is not recommended as they are not stable.
Concentrate on going through the Class 2B course first. It will be about 8 months to a year, maybe even more, before you get your licence. Thats a long time to dream. -
wow...8 months to a year!!!!!!!!!!!! ouch....!
'n i was hoping to get it all done longest within 3 months!!!! 'n i thought that too was already quite long!
welll..actually i know how to ride...i've been riding back home for quite some time..but don't have a license...so i have to go through the entire 2B thingie here.....
so i'm hoping i don't screw up..'n can pass all the courses in one try.. i really hope so..coz its hard on the pocket too!!
according to what you've described...i think what i'm looking for is a chopper...coz i do intend to ride long distance
hmmm...SHADOW....sounds cool....!
is there any site where i can check out what these bikes look like 'n check out the specs 'n stuff? or must i go to the dealers showrooms??!?
thanx a lot for all your comments guyzz!!!! happy riding!! -
knn i thought i saw "Need Help with bikini in SG!!! ... i need to sleep i think....knn...
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haha...well..that too man..that too... bikinis....alwayz welcome!Originally posted by I-like-flings(m):knn i thought i saw "Need Help with bikini in SG!!! ... i need to sleep i think....knn... 
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you can just go to dealer showrooms... at least u get to sit on the bike to get some feel
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cool...tks..will do that! any good showrooms around tiong bahru? jln bukit mehra?
wooo..i have my first practical lesson on monday...! any preparation required? anything i should know before i go there?!
anything specific to take along?!
darn...i feel like a 6 yr old...preparin for a school picnic! -
1. Yer own helmet. (optional as the school has its own for you to use)
2. A pair of gloves. Cotton ones will do
3. Wear sleeved blouse or T, No sleeveless or spagetti straps
4. Wear shoes, no sandals
5. Wear long pants, no shorts or skirts
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3 months is possible depends on the waiting period of TP test. Clear ur RTT asap so that u wont get stuck with ur practical.Originally posted by nasty_sandy:wow...8 months to a year!!!!!!!!!!!! ouch....!
'n i was hoping to get it all done longest within 3 months!!!! 'n i thought that too was already quite long!
welll..actually i know how to ride...i've been riding back home for quite some time..but don't have a license...so i have to go through the entire 2B thingie here.....
so i'm hoping i don't screw up..'n can pass all the courses in one try.. i really hope so..coz its hard on the pocket too!!
according to what you've described...i think what i'm looking for is a chopper...coz i do intend to ride long distance
hmmm...SHADOW....sounds cool....!
is there any site where i can check out what these bikes look like 'n check out the specs 'n stuff? or must i go to the dealers showrooms??!?
thanx a lot for all your comments guyzz!!!! happy riding!!
Personally i think phantom is a much better chioce than shadow. But more impt is to get ur licence first then consider the bike to get. -
thanks a lot for all ur pointers guyz..!
wooo..i had my first lesson for 2B today....
went quite well.. (i thought)...coz i've been riding before.....but then ...in the end..the instructor comes 'n tells us: "so you all will be comin back for lesson 1 again" ...i mean.... "!!!!!!!!!!!"
i don't get this....not even ONE of us made it past lesson 1 in the first try?!! that's ridiculous!....
so i was told ..on avg..u'll have to complete like....21 sessions..to get past the 8 courses! man..is that insane or what?!
a good way to pocket tonnes of money....! but i'm soooo goddam disappointed now..coz if its true that we do have to go through so many sessions..its gonna cost a BOMB!!!! 'n i don't know if i'm prepared to spend that much $$$ for the license...!
contemplating givin up on the license... but i know i really really want to ride...so i won't give up...but its really tight on my pocket!! *sob..sob* :'(
how many sessions have you guyz gone through ...to get ur 2B?
how much did the whole thing cost? 'n how long did it take?
i think i really need to get my expectations all straightened out....help!!!! -
I took the TP 6 times to pass, mostly failed on improper checking of blind spots. I took abt 2 years and nearly $1K in all.
Sometimes even you do not make mistake, they may still fail your lesson (depend their mood), maybe 1 lesson took 1-3 times to pass. In BBDC got 13 lessons before TP at my time, so you got to be prepared. -
you are going to ssdc right? welll although its called lesson one it usually involves 3 lessons total..... the first one you go around mini circuit and familiarise a bit with the bike.... then maybe last few minute u go around the big circuit..
the second one you go around big circuit and learn to gear up and down from lowest to highest to lowest again...... then if u good maybe you go through the bends and slalom stuff before passing.. hmm maybe 2 lesson ones can hor....i personally took 5 lesson ones... even if ur excellent...u shld need minimum 2 lesson ones..
then the rest of the lessons you just need to clear the obstacles then one lesson can already lor... except for lesson 4...
lesson 4 confirm need 2... first session on the simulator... and second one just pillion someone and also familiarise with the circuit assessment route... can already...
of course along the way you will need some revisions lar... circuit revision around $12.60 for peak.. and road about $33.50 or so for peak.. minus 2bucks plus for off peakk...
its $6 to book a rtt session.... you pass? steady.... then $25 for the pdl...tp test is $35.45 or something like that.. $20 is for test then the rest is vehicle rental..
i m taking tp on 2nd june.... because i started while i was still a ns trainee in jan 2004 i delayed a lot lar... my personal schedule is as follows
lesson1 x5
lesson 2x4
lesson3x1
lesson 4x2
lesson 5x2 (first time fail,...38 pts and flew off on ebrake.. rainy day T_T)
lesson 6x2 (lousy u turning)
lesson 7x2 (i too smart... try to u turn at wrong junction.. one junc to early)
lesson 8x2 (first time fail very early.. never give way at first junction in circuit)
along the way I took 5-6 circuit revisions,\... like i said.. made a lot of delays.. hence went for revision to not lose sense of riding
if u noe how to ride already.... u shld be able to clear lesson 2-8 at 1st attempt... but riding through obstacles and riding on the road are 2 completely different things
and total spending yet to exceed 800.. but thats my estimated total spending if i pass this 2nd june
oh just to add... my best friend got his license in 2002... except for lesson one and three... the rest all first time clear... it is possible -
I took mine at BBDC, twice a week during peak hours, because of the peak hours, I sometimes could only book once. In total, took me half a year from start to getting the Lic.Originally posted by nasty_sandy:thanks a lot for all ur pointers guyz..!
wooo..i had my first lesson for 2B today....
went quite well.. (i thought)...coz i've been riding before.....but then ...in the end..the instructor comes 'n tells us: "so you all will be comin back for lesson 1 again" ...i mean.... "!!!!!!!!!!!"
i don't get this....not even ONE of us made it past lesson 1 in the first try?!! that's ridiculous!....
so i was told ..on avg..u'll have to complete like....21 sessions..to get past the 8 courses! man..is that insane or what?!
a good way to pocket tonnes of money....! but i'm soooo goddam disappointed now..coz if its true that we do have to go through so many sessions..its gonna cost a BOMB!!!! 'n i don't know if i'm prepared to spend that much $$$ for the license...!
contemplating givin up on the license... but i know i really really want to ride...so i won't give up...but its really tight on my pocket!! *sob..sob* :'(
how many sessions have you guyz gone through ...to get ur 2B?
how much did the whole thing cost? 'n how long did it take?
i think i really need to get my expectations all straightened out....help!!!!
This inclusive to retaking some lessons this will happen as you progress to the later stages where it is harder to pass. And I took my TP twice too.
Since u want ur lic, must have alot of patience and determination. So hang in there and dun give up! -
Originally posted by nasty_sandy:
Try Boon Siew (Honda Agent) Showroom, somewhere along the stretch of road after Sim Lim Square, away from Bugis Junction....
[b]cool...tks..will do that! any good showrooms around tiong bahru? jln bukit mehra?
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Originally posted by nasty_sandy:
Try Boon Siew (Honda Agent) Showroom, somewhere along the stretch of road after Sim Lim Square, away from Bugis Junction and before Newton Circus...
[b]cool...tks..will do that! any good showrooms around tiong bahru? jln bukit mehra?
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Try Alexandra Village Opp Queensway Shopping Centre.
There got alot of bike shops.
I feel phantom is a much better choice.
You Might Also Wanna Consider Phantom 150 kickstart.
My budz bought a 2nd hand one (6 years left) for abt 2.5k.
Good Luck! -
wow...tks guyz!!
i had gone to one of those shops at alexandra the other day.. 'n saw this DAELIM DAYSTAR 125.....man...i totally fell in love with the bike!!!!!
it looks sooooo coool!!! besides...the firing/sound is also awesome...!! pricey though....i was quoted a $4.5k for a 2nd hand one!
I really like the bike..n was thinking whether its worthwhile spending that kinda money on a 125 cc bike?!
besides..one of the other shop guyz told me that i should not consider a DAELIM..coz its a korean bike...'n is basically a high maintenance bike?
while the guy selling it...told me its the most economical / low maintenance bike?!
so now i'm zonked!
any of u guyz have any experience with DAELIMs? any recommendations...?
how would a DAELIM compare with a PHANTOM 150cc...? 'n how about PHANTOM 200cc ?
also, do all finance companies charge an 'agreeement fee' if you buy ur bike on installments? i was told they charge up to a $ 250!!!