101 Biking Tips
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that's exactly what i mean. the road is narrow, there's traffic behind you, there's traffic beside you, there's a big space infront of you, and yet you're still blocking the road. that is road hogging.Originally posted by Ducati996:i not tokkin bout road hogging. i oso think road hogging is inconsiderate.
i tokkin bout instances like normal road say speed limit 60kmh. we all know drivers and riders alike tend to go bout 20kmh higher than the road actual limit. then lets say this new rider decide to be good boy and travel 50~60kmh leftmost lane. of coz most cars will be faster than him and want to overtake but car shd change lane and overtake and not overtake within the lane coz veri dangerous for the rider. driver's impatience can cause accident for the bike, as driver of coz you dont find dangerous coz you not in situation of the rider. so to new riders i say be safe, if drivers dont wanna care for you then you make them care for you.
road hogging is a different story.
and i honestly think a significant portion of bike accidents, car is at fault. but i admit if the rider cut traffic in and out of lane as if he alone on the road or speed as if gp, then mebbe he asking for it. i tokkin bout cars who dont give a shit about riders.
i go between lanes and cut traffic, drivers complain say i act like own the road; i ride good boy, kena makan by cars as if i not there at all, you tell me how.
just becoz the speed limit is 50, and you're travelling at 50, doesn't mean it's not road hogging.
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i'm not gonna spd up just bcos the guy behind me wanna go over spd limit.
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Ducati, I support you. On the road, I always occupy the entire lane and force cars to lane change for overtaking. If it's small bikes which are travelling nearer to one side of the lane, then I'll overtake him by travelling nearer to the other side of the lane (but i usually lane change), if the clearance allows, and it's not dangerous to do so.Originally posted by Ducati996:i not tokkin bout road hogging. i oso think road hogging is inconsiderate.
i tokkin bout instances like normal road say speed limit 60kmh. we all know drivers and riders alike tend to go bout 20kmh higher than the road actual limit. then lets say this new rider decide to be good boy and travel 50~60kmh leftmost lane. of coz most cars will be faster than him and want to overtake but car shd change lane and overtake and not overtake within the lane coz veri dangerous for the rider. driver's impatience can cause accident for the bike, as driver of coz you dont find dangerous coz you not in situation of the rider. so to new riders i say be safe, if drivers dont wanna care for you then you make them care for you.
road hogging is a different story.
and i honestly think a significant portion of bike accidents, car is at fault. but i admit if the rider cut traffic in and out of lane as if he alone on the road or speed as if gp, then mebbe he asking for it. i tokkin bout cars who dont give a shit about riders.
i go between lanes and cut traffic, drivers complain say i act like own the road; i ride good boy, kena makan by cars as if i not there at all, you tell me how.
And, the situation where the 2nd lane is full of cars and you are travelling in the 1st lane with a ot of traffic behind you, will almost not be possible. You think the 2nd lane vehicles will stay in the 2nd lane where the traffic is heavy and leave the empty road ahead of the slow bike, untouched ? Sorry, but I don't think so. The cars will cut in ahead of the slow bike. By the way, if that really happened, the bike which is travelling at thespeed limit already is not wrong to remain at his current speed and not give way to the traffic behind. 1st lane liao leh, you want him to lane change where ? Road shoulder liao ah ? And you fast doesn't mean people have to give way to you leh. If you are way above the road speed limit, and you try anything funny and gt into accident, you'll be at fault you know .... -
there is a reason the 1st lane is called the overtaking lane. it may be wrong to speed, but it's a bigger wrong to road hog.
i've seen this discussed in various car forums, and most of them would agree that, even if they're travelling at 160kmh on the 1st lane, if they notice a vehicle behind that is faster, they will give way.
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Got... some time back liao... u seldom travel around my area anyway rite? Unless u so free everytime cruise around toa payoh?Originally posted by nismoS132:got new hump meh?
nvr notice leh
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Frankly speaking, if I were in your situation, for my own safety, I would just move over to the left and let the vehicle overtake me for 2 reasons:Originally posted by more_salt:i'm not gonna spd up just bcos the guy behind me wanna go over spd limit.
it's my life on the bike.
1. It's safer for me; 'coz since the guy is speeding behind me and should something unexpected happen which requires me to do an e-brake, I would be in trouble. (don't think the fella would be able to stop in time)
2. The driver might be in a real hurry, you never know... maybe he's rushing to the hospital to see his dying mother, etc, and since he's taking the risk to rush there, just let him be. One day, you might need to rush to somewhere as well and it would be quite irritating if someone refuses to move over.
Unless of course if the other lanes are free and that bugger keeps trying to irritate me then I'll play around with that SOB.
Final word is, on the road, it's not a matter of obeying speed limits and insisting on who's right and who's wrong. As a matter of fact, there's no actual "right" way on the road. This is one lesson I've learnt. Your own safety is the most important. Nothing else matters as much. -
On the road, I always occupy the entire lane and force cars to lane change for overtaking
Yup. dont go to de side of de lane , take de whole lane for urself , This will make drivers to overtake u , by change lane , if u stick de left of de lane most probarly he will zoom pass . -
Originally posted by nismoS132:
hAr? Isn't the 1st lane supposed to be the left most lane, and the 3rd lane the fastest lane ?
there is a reason the 1st lane is called the overtaking lane. it may be wrong to speed, but it's a bigger wrong to road hog.
i've seen this discussed in various [b]car forums, and most of them would agree that, even if they're travelling at 160kmh on the 1st lane, if they notice a vehicle behind that is faster, they will give way.
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1. If he is behind you, and you need to e-brake, that means someone is in front of you. Let's say he's too close for comfort, how about pulling the distance between the front car and yourself ? That way, you may avoid e-brake, and at the same time, indicate to the person behind that there's another vehicle infront.
1. It's safer for me; 'coz since the guy is speeding behind me and should something unexpected happen which requires me to do an e-brake, I would be in trouble. (don't think the fella would be able to stop in time)
2. The driver might be in a real hurry, you never know... maybe he's rushing to the hospital to see his dying mother, etc, and since he's taking the risk to rush there, just let him be. One day, you might need to rush to somewhere as well and it would be quite irritating if someone refuses to move over.
As a matter of fact, there's no actual "right" way on the road.
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Even if you let him pass, will he get across the other car ? He will have no choice but to lane change. And, if he sees you making way for him, will he step on the gas and recklessly brush past you ? Yes, if he is in a rush to hospital, I have nothing to say. But the fact is we dunno. If we keep doing that, the new drivers see it and take it for granted that way will be cleared for them if they encounter any bikers.
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eh... me just a newbie, but lane 1 is the fastest lane rite? oso called the overtaking lane.
so if me observing spd limit, i'd not take the 1st lane, so if ppl in a hurry 4 a gd reason can overtake... -
eh... me just a newbie, but lane 1 is the fastest lane rite? oso called the overtaking lane.
so if me observing spd limit, i'd not take the 1st lane, so if ppl in a hurry 4 a gd reason can overtake... -
Having to e-brake does not necessarily imply that there's a car travelling in front of me; it could be that a car from my left suddenly tries to cut into my path; it could be a pedestrian who suddenly tries to dash out; there are many possibilities.Originally posted by Noah:1. If he is behind you, and you need to e-brake, that means someone is in front of you. Let's say he's too close for comfort, how about pulling the distance between the front car and yourself ? That way, you may avoid e-brake, and at the same time, indicate to the person behind that there's another vehicle infront.
That's assuming that there is a car in front of me as mentioned earlier.
Even if you let him pass, will he get across the other car ? He will have no choice but to lane change.
In any case, if there's a car in front of me and around me, then it's pointless to discuss this already because this implies that the road is congested and we are talking about a clear road ahead over here.
That's not just limited to bikes, even car drivers do that among themselves.
And, if he sees you making way for him, will he step on the gas and recklessly brush past you ? Yes, if he is in a rush to hospital, I have nothing to say. But the fact is we dunno. If we keep doing that, the new drivers see it and take it for granted that way will be cleared for them if they encounter any bikers.
You are right in saying that these drivers will take it for granted but my point is that safety should come first. If nothing happens, all runs well and you show the SOB driver that you are no pushover, good for you.
But what if something goes wrong?
Your stakes are definitely much higher and the odds are against you.
The point in having this thread is to help newbies have a safe journey on the road.
If you are an experienced rider and you have what it takes to handle such a situation, go ahead, no one is stopping you. And I'm glad that there are people like you who show drivers that some bikers are no pushovers.
However, for a newbie, this is not advisable because they lack the experience and thus they might panic in the event of an emergency. This might cause them to fumble and get into an accident. Thus, I would still advise them to move aside and let the fella pass. -
Oh ... sorry, I made some mistakes ... seems like the 1st lane is the fastest lane. But throughout the context of my thread, I really meant the 1st lane to be the left most lane (I always start counting from the left hand side, that's why). Sorry for the confusion.
Imaginery, I rest my case. But one of the biggest difficulty I had when I started out with my bike was lane changing to a faster lane. Can't judge speed very well from the mirror and very afraid the vehicle won't give way to me. In case I cause another confusion, all this while, I am referring to the situation where you are in the left most lane, and a car behind tries to shove you to the side, and you have to lane-change to the right. I have nothing to say when giving way while you are on the right outer lane. -
I see, it was just some miscommunication. It's ok, after all, we are all just trying to contribute ideas to make biking a safer experience.Originally posted by Noah:Oh ... sorry, I made some mistakes ... seems like the 1st lane is the fastest lane. But throughout the context of my thread, I really meant the 1st lane to be the left most lane (I always start counting from the left hand side, that's why). Sorry for the confusion.
Imaginery, I rest my case. But one of the biggest difficulty I had when I started out with my bike was lane changing to a faster lane. Can't judge speed very well from the mirror and very afraid the vehicle won't give way to me. In case I cause another confusion, all this while, I am referring to the situation where you are in the left most lane, and a car behind tries to shove you to the side, and you have to lane-change to the right. I have nothing to say when giving way while you are on the right outer lane. -
I personally find that the more road experience you have, you will be able to know when a car might cut in to you... observe well while riding... dunno how to explain... you all should understand right?
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have you ever seen this?
the entire highway is clear.
out of 4 lanes, there is 1 car in the 2nd lane, 9 cars in the 1st lane. the 1st car is travelling at the exact same speed as the car in the 2nd lane which is approximately 90-100kmh. the 9 cars do not have much distance between them, especially the 1st and 2nd car.
this was maintained for quite a distance.
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probably a clan?Originally posted by nismoS132:have you ever seen this?
the entire highway is clear.
out of 4 lanes, there is 1 car in the 2nd lane, 9 cars in the 1st lane. the 1st car is travelling at the exact same speed as the car in the 2nd lane which is approximately 90-100kmh. the 9 cars do not have much distance between them, especially the 1st and 2nd car.
this was maintained for quite a distance.
i seen 11 benz S280 travel toghether on ECP toghether heading towards airport
all their number plate all 8s,88s,888s,8888s
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even when u travelling in the middle of the lane, some asses like to overtake u wif half their car in ur lane
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Maybe they're escorting some big shot?Originally posted by nismoS132:have you ever seen this?
the entire highway is clear.
out of 4 lanes, there is 1 car in the 2nd lane, 9 cars in the 1st lane. the 1st car is travelling at the exact same speed as the car in the 2nd lane which is approximately 90-100kmh. the 9 cars do not have much distance between them, especially the 1st and 2nd car.
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nope.
it is 100% road hogging.
all were different cars with no affiliations with each other.
this is an example of what 1 inconsiderate driver can do to a large amount of people.
it only takes one.
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Ok I get the picture now.Originally posted by nismoS132:nope.
it is 100% road hogging.
all were different cars with no affiliations with each other.
this is an example of what 1 inconsiderate driver can do to a large amount of people.
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i dont understand: if there were 4 lanes then couldn't the remaining 2 lanes have been used for the other cars to overtake? or u mean the other 2 lanes opposite traffic?Originally posted by nismoS132:have you ever seen this?
the entire highway is clear.
out of 4 lanes, there is 1 car in the 2nd lane, 9 cars in the 1st lane. the 1st car is travelling at the exact same speed as the car in the 2nd lane which is approximately 90-100kmh. the 9 cars do not have much distance between them, especially the 1st and 2nd car.
this was maintained for quite a distance.
in this case i believe the road hogger is the car on the faster lane who travelled same speed as the car on the slower lane. i dont think the guy on the slower lane is at fault at all, consider that 90~100kmh is already fast. dats wat i meant: if i want to travel at the road's speed limit, and if other vehicles are going faster, than i will definitely travel leftmost lane, i will not attitude problem go right lane. furthermore i will NOT increase my speed just to match other vehicles coz i value my safety where speed is concerned, and i will NOT give way for cars to overtake within my lane becoz like i said it is just too dangerous.
i disagree that travelling at road limit while other vehicles faster is still considered road hogging. its my life my safety. if i were on right lane travelling at road limit but car behind i see going faster then i will surely give way by lane changing left, but never by giving way within my lane.
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Originally posted by nismoS132:
CAR.
there is a reason the 1st lane is called the overtaking lane. it may be wrong to speed, but it's a bigger wrong to road hog.
i've seen this discussed in various [b]car forums, and most of them would agree that, even if they're travelling at 160kmh on the 1st lane, if they notice a vehicle behind that is faster, they will give way.
this is termed road courtesy.[/B]
this situation you are talkin bout, the car is capable of lane changing left, yes?
then i will agree wif you that if it were a bike then yes the rider must do the same thing and provide courtesy for the mad clown behind him
pls understand that wat i'm talking bout is a rider already on the leftmost lane, the lane already meant for slower vehicles.
i dont think u can compare my point with an example of a car coz cars cannot give way within the lane, we are tokkin bout bikes giving way within the lane. i agree wif all the stuff u are saying bout courtesy from cars coz i think bike must oso show courtesy as if he car. then shouldnt car show courtesy to bike as if he car also? that means no overtakin within the lane, coz you car u dont overtake other cars within the lane do you?
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perhaps u have overlooked a little point.Originally posted by Imaginary:1. It's safer for me; 'coz since the guy is speeding behind me and should something unexpected happen which requires me to do an e-brake, I would be in trouble. (don't think the fella would be able to stop in time)
lets imagine u allow the car to overtake u within the lane. i believe in a later thread u mentioned any incident can cause an e-brake, not just front car e-brake. lets then compare 2 situations both with same e-brake incident.
watever the cause, imagine the car overtake u within the lane, start to move center of lane just in front of you and skali he e-brake. wont u smash into his rear?
compare this to not giving way: HE will smash into YOUR rear. no diff wat rite? the car is the one at fault, one for overtakin within lane, the other for tailgating.
i have no solution for this. basically my point is in your situation, an e-brake incident will mean the bike is lose-lose situation. but at least without an e-brake incident it is safer for the rider not to allow overtaking within lane.
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Was there some misunderstanding somewhere?Originally posted by Ducati996:....imagine the car overtake u within the lane...
I'm against overtaking within the lane as well.
My point is that, if there's a car behind you and speeding, just do a lane change to the left and let the car pass; not overtake you within the lane.