Need help...
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i just bought a phantom and need help in run in and normal servicing... the shop i bought from told me to change engine oil every 500km during run in and after 3000km then change every 1000km... can some experienced phantom rider teach me on this as i feel that he's trying to conn my money... thanks in advance...
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Phantom 150 or Phantom 200?Originally posted by ChRiS TaY:i just bought a phantom and need help in run in and normal servicing... the shop i bought from told me to change engine oil every 500km during run in and after 3000km then change every 1000km... can some experienced phantom rider teach me on this as i feel that he's trying to conn my money... thanks in advance...
For 2-strokers, usually I change the oil at 500km, 1500km, then 3000km. After that I change oil every 3000km if I use cheap oil, or every 6000km if I use good oil.
I suppose you should change oil more often if you ride 4-strokers, as the oil is also used to lubricate the piston. But I've never owned a 4-stroker before, so no comment on this
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Wao, thats a bit too much liao. Unless u very rich, first 500km change 1 time. Then 2000km change 1 time. After run in liao 3000+km then change 1 time engine oil. Think this is enough liao. -
i tell you what I did hor, i ran in until 800km, went for an oil change, then went for another oil change at 1900km (p.s. i was riding a very rough engine at this time liao, drag myself back from SLE to the motor tiam) recommended is 1600km go change. Thereafter change every 4000km. If use fully-synthetic, can last until 10000km lorOriginally posted by ChRiS TaY:i just bought a phantom and need help in run in and normal servicing... the shop i bought from told me to change engine oil every 500km during run in and after 3000km then change every 1000km... can some experienced phantom rider teach me on this as i feel that he's trying to conn my money... thanks in advance... -
Really rich leh... 500km change once... Me change every 800km, then aft run-in, change every 3k km, if using better oil, can use longer distance.Originally posted by ChRiS TaY:i just bought a phantom and need help in run in and normal servicing... the shop i bought from told me to change engine oil every 500km during run in and after 3000km then change every 1000km... can some experienced phantom rider teach me on this as i feel that he's trying to conn my money... thanks in advance...
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Even full-syn also better dont use till 10000km. The engine oil for bike is use to lubricate the engine, gear and also the clutch plates. So it tends to dirty faster than cars which has seperate fuild for all of them.Originally posted by daniuge:i tell you what I did hor, i ran in until 800km, went for an oil change, then went for another oil change at 1900km (p.s. i was riding a very rough engine at this time liao, drag myself back from SLE to the motor tiam) recommended is 1600km go change. Thereafter change every 4000km. If use fully-synthetic, can last until 10000km lor -
if engine oil dun change fer abt 3mths, engine will get jialat liao loh ?Originally posted by No_regret:Even full-syn also better dont use till 10000km. The engine oil for bike is use to lubricate the engine, gear and also the clutch plates. So it tends to dirty faster than cars which has seperate fuild for all of them.
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new bike, if normally run in period, change engine oil every 1000Km for the 1st 3000Km...2T if finish need to change, that is common sense...
after the run in, can change the engine oil every 3000Km, but i can every 2000Km. -
i dont think ur bike can sell next timeOriginally posted by daniuge:i tell you what I did hor, i ran in until 800km, went for an oil change, then went for another oil change at 1900km (p.s. i was riding a very rough engine at this time liao, drag myself back from SLE to the motor tiam) recommended is 1600km go change. Thereafter change every 4000km. If use fully-synthetic, can last until 10000km lor -
sorry that i forgot to say my bike is phantom 200... so if i change engine oil evey 800km during run in and every 2500-3000km after run in will be ok right? i will be using fully syn oil...
one more thing is i heard a lot of prob like sound in the wheel... anyone encounter this prob? -
Only ur bike next time got many ppl want!Originally posted by De|usi0n:i dont think ur bike can sell next time -
500 - mineral oil
1300 - mineral
2000 - semi
3000 - semi
thats what i did,
and during run in, no draggin of gears and no going over 60km/h till i hit 3k
a good run in will benefit u in future.
just my 2 cents worth -
Some engine oil really can run till 10,000 km ... like Motul 300V ... very good quality ... But I guess different bikes and different riding styles do make a difference ...
And different engine oil performs differently for different bikes. For example, Esso Gold or Castrol R4 might not have that good performance for SP and Phantom 150 ... for 200 ... i dunno .... -
Then wat engine oil u recommend or sp?
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Castrol TTSOriginally posted by Rick:Then wat engine oil u recommend or sp?
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Castrol TTS is 2T, not the so called "engine oil" 4T I believe, and it is not called TTS anymore, think it is called R2, correct me if I am wrongOriginally posted by nick34:Castrol TTS ....
Engine oil for SP most would recommend semi-synthetic ... thought have to change around 3-4k mileage ... but u wun experience problems like dropping of gear or difficulty in finding neutral if you were to use good engine oil like Motul 300V, Castrol R4 or Esso Gold ...
At the end of the day ... up to personal preference lor, if you find you dun have problems using good engine oil ... then carry on using ... but if you got the problems mentioned above ... then can maybe try changing??
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for my ta200, i was told that every 800-1000km for oil change,
this is to be done for 3 times running, then every 2k from then on..
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btw, does it also mean tt after run in, we can drag engine a little as we change gear....
this is what i have been doing...
Gear 1 - move off (never release clutch fully)
Gear 2 - move till between 20-30km
Gear 3 - 30 - 50km
Gear 4 - 50 - 70km
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Actually... what we call by "2T oil" is actually engine oil, because it's used to lubricate the engine (piston, etc).Originally posted by PuRe-EviL:Castrol TTS is 2T, not the so called "engine oil" 4T I believe, and it is not called TTS anymore, think it is called R2, correct me if I am wrong ....
For 2-strokers, what we call by "engine oil" is actually transmission oil. It's used only to lubricate the gears, but it never reaches engine block. That's why "engine oil" in 2-strokers doesn't need to be changed as often as in 4-strokers.
So... in a sense, Nick is correct. TTS is engine oil (from a 2-stroker point of view). -
Issit? Engine oil in 2-stroke bikes also lubricates the pistons mah ... doesn't it? Only lubricate the gears meh? So you are saying the fuel/air/2T mix is the only thing protecting and lubricating your pistons, bearings? But those get burned up in the combustion process mah? Isn't it?? Hmm, I am not too clear myself too .....Originally posted by SnailRider:Actually... what we call by "2T oil" is actually engine oil, because it's used to lubricate the engine (piston, etc).
For 2-strokers, what we call by "engine oil" is actually transmission oil. It's used only to lubricate the gears, but it never reaches engine block. That's why "engine oil" in 2-strokers doesn't need to be changed as often as in 4-strokers.
So... in a sense, Nick is correct. TTS is engine oil (from a 2-stroker point of view).
I wouldn't agree engine oil in 2-strokes doesn't need to be changed as often as 4-strokers ... when it goes that mileage ... when it gets dirty and loses its function ... definitely have to change ... I will only say 2-strokes no need to change that much as in the volume of engine oil ..... -
Yes, that's the characteristic of 2-stroke engine. The oil used to lubricate piston, etc will be mixed with petrol and air, and get burnt in the combustion process. It never goes down to lubricate the gears, and the transmission oil (engine oil as you put it) never goes up to lubricate the piston.Originally posted by PuRe-EviL:Issit? Engine oil in 2-stroke bikes also lubricates the pistons mah ... doesn't it? Only lubricate the gears meh? So you are saying the fuel/air/2T mix is the only thing protecting and lubricating your pistons, bearings? But those get burned up in the combustion process mah? Isn't it??I wouldn't agree engine oil in 2-strokes doesn't need to be changed as often as 4-strokers ... when it goes that mileage ... when it gets dirty and loses its function ... definitely have to change ...
Well, if you had a 2-stroker and a 4-stroker, and you want to change the engine oil of both bikes at the same interval, it's entirely up to you. But a simple search on Google will show that most bikers agree that transmission oil in 2-stroke bikes has longer "lifetime" compared to its 4-stroke counterpart. This is because it has less task to do, and doesn't get dirty so fast. The task of lubricating the piston is done by 2T oil. Of course you still have to change, but at a longer interval.I will only say 2-strokes no need to change that much as in the volume of engine oil .....
That's because in 2-strokers it's only used to lubricate the gears. So the volume needed is less. But don't forget the oil needed to lubricate the piston is burnt and has to be topped-up. In my case, I burn 1 litre of 2T oil every 800+ km. So in total a 2-stroker might consume more oil than a 4-stroker does. -
Hmm ... interesting ...
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btw, after a 3rd run in engine, does it mean tt we can drag our gears a little before we change them??
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Can. But better check your manual book about running in. If it's in Thai, you can still try to figure out the numbersOriginally posted by j007:btw, after a 3rd run in engine, does it mean tt we can drag our gears a little before we change them??
anyone can comment?
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Originally posted by PuRe-EviL:Castrol TTS is 2T, not the so called "engine oil" 4T I believe, and it is not called TTS anymore, think it is called R2, correct me if I am wrong ....
Engine oil for SP most would recommend semi-synthetic ... thought have to change around 3-4k mileage ... but u wun experience problems like dropping of gear or difficulty in finding neutral if you were to use good engine oil like Motul 300V, Castrol R4 or Esso Gold ...
At the end of the day ... up to personal preference lor, if you find you dun have problems using good engine oil ... then carry on using ... but if you got the problems mentioned above ... then can maybe try changing?? sorry din read properly .....