Speaking in tongues...a heavenly language?
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Have you heard people speaking in tongues?
Sounds gibberish rite?
Do you believe that it is the language of the angels / dieties?
What are your views and comments? -
Hmmm......
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If the purpose of this thread is to mock at spiritual gifts and moreso on Christianity as a whole then save it. Would appreciate a mature and bible-based discussion here.
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I am not starting this thread to mock christianity, Bro...Originally posted by NeonTetra:If the purpose of this thread is to mock at spiritual gifts and moreso on Christianity as a whole then save it. Would appreciate a mature and bible-based discussion here.
I am starting this thread to see what ppl feel abt speaking in tongues...cos I am intrigued by the "mysterious" feel of gibberish speaking...And it's not just confined to Christianity, chinese or Taoist mediums do speak in tongues too, when they get possessed by dieties.
They whole thing is that I wanna find out more abt this "tongues" thing...
How do people understand and comprehend the gibberish language...
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When the day of Pentecost came, they(the apostles) were all together in one place. Suddenly a sound like the blowing of a violent wind came from heaven and filled the whole house where they were sitting. They saw what seemed to be tongues of fire that separated and came to rest on each of them. All of them were filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak in other tongues as the Spirit enabled them. (Acts 2:1-4)
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Tongues are in modern day, divided into 2 categories.
One, it is an angelic language meaning that it makes no common sense to another person but it is language inspired by the Holy Spirit inside a christians to communicate with God. Yes it sounds gibberish to others, ev en to the person who speaks it becos it is the Spirit in him/her speaking not him or her.
Two, it is a known language but maybe p r e v iously unknown to the speaker. For example, i may not know French or some African language, then the Spirit came upo n me and then suddenly I get the gift to speak French, that is tongues too. IT can be an oneoff situation i n this case. -
and to every tongues speaking, it must be accompanied by the interpretation of the tongues either by one of the people in the congregation with such gift or by the speaker himself.
I must let the rest of you know that to every gift from God, satan likes to come out with his counterfeits and so there do exists demonic tongues as well! -
tounge speaking is considered a gift IMO
i've heard many ppl speaking in tounges and tt includes myself but rarely...
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anymore contributions?
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heard of this incident...
in a worship session (with many nationalities).. a few ppl broke into tongues..
it was later found that some of them spoke in other languages they have not encountered before.. and there were ppl in the room that understood the language, i.e. they native toungue -
heard of this incident...
in a worship session (with many nationalities).. a few ppl broke into tongues..
it was later found that some of them spoke in other languages they have not encountered before.. and there were ppl in the room that understood the language, i.e. they native toungue -
in the bible Jesus promised His followers the Holy spirit, which wil give them power to do God's work in this world. it wil also be a sign to the non believers that God do exist, and to assure the believers that God is with them and that it is a convenant tt God made with us tt we are saved from damnation.
gifts of the holy spirit include speaking in tongues, (not from deities)
which is a language not learnt, heavenly tongue or earthly tongue
healing( touching that person and tt person is healed, cancer crippled, blind, deaf)
(interpretation of tongues) listening and understanding what God wants to say
phrophesying
gift of wisdom
gift of knowledge
delieverence of demons and oppressed ppl.
but these gifts are only given to believers -
true...its important to note that the Spirit's gifts do not include tongues alone. Others are equally important and should be given equal regard and respect.
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Yup gotta agree with u....but many members from "charismatic" churches are able to speak in tongues but they are unable to interpret it....then how can they say it's from God??Originally posted by NeonTetra:and to every tongues speaking, it must be accompanied by the interpretation of the tongues either by one of the people in the congregation with such gift or by the speaker himself.
I must let the rest of you know that to every gift from God, satan likes to come out with his counterfeits and so there do exists demonic tongues as well!
I believe tongues exist during the apostles time...and the apostles are the last group of ppl with that gift...after them, none have any of that gifts anymore...so today church members can't claim to have that gift anymore -
Well i have heard some people speak it....and it's very easy to tell the real from the fake...the fake is gibberish while the real 1's are well only word to describe is beautiful(some may even be singing).However i've only heard it like 3-4 times the other 1000 odd times i hear fakes/bullshitOriginally posted by Sir_Horny:Yup gotta agree with u....but many members from "charismatic" churches are able to speak in tongues but they are unable to interpret it....then how can they say it's from God??
I believe tongues exist during the apostles time...and the apostles are the last group of ppl with that gift...after them, none have any of that gifts anymore...so today church members can't claim to have that gift anymore -
We cannot say for sure that gift of tongues has ceased in our time if so what biblical backing do we have? spiritual gifts is from God and we as human cannot judge these....real or fake the person speaking it will have to answer to God for it
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I do not have the biblical backing, but I heard this through a speaker....well as u say "real or fake the person speaking it will have to answer to God for it ".Originally posted by NeonTetra:We cannot say for sure that gift of tongues has ceased in our time if so what biblical backing do we have? spiritual gifts is from God and we as human cannot judge these....real or fake the person speaking it will have to answer to God for it
There's a chinese speaking assembly in Malaysia...one of their member started speaking in tongues....they found out what he's saying....and it turn out that he's actually cursing God. -
yes its up to us to account to God for our every actions. but we hv to test every spirit to see lor. if its from God or notOriginally posted by Sir_Horny:I do not have the biblical backing, but I heard this through a speaker....well as u say "real or fake the person speaking it will have to answer to God for it ".
There's a chinese speaking assembly in Malaysia...one of their member started speaking in tongues....they found out what he's saying....and it turn out that he's actually cursing God. -
true...there do exists demonic tongues as well so we cant assume every 'tongues' is from God. In the case of the person cursing God in tongues..he could be demon possessed. Tongues is a gift from God and must be used properly for the common good of the church.
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for general knowledge...this coming Sunday (8 June 03) is what we christians call Pentecost Sunday...on the first pentecost as stated in the Bible, Acts 2 the Holy Spirit came upon the believers and the christian church was born....it was also the first time tongues came to be among the disciples and later to other christians.
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If I am not wrong, the church lost most, if not all of it's spirtual gifts when it stated to seep into worldy politics and a heavy, legalistic way of life that seemed to replace grace for a moment.
I doubt the gifts actually left the chuch, who on earth wouldn't God want us his church to operate in the supernatural anyway? Or are we supposed to reach out via the foolish ways of man that so many of us sometimes run the risk of over to?
It is my opinion that the modern church today shall all the more operate in the supernatural. And I believe that this is all the more shown by the persceuted churches in third world countries with nothing to hold onto but their faith, and they fo come across a lot of supernatural interventions.
For us, I suppose we have our spirtual senses dulled sometimes by the vale of plenty we have. In our wealth we have prehaps started to put God into a box which we can understand, a box of country-club mentality and trying to buy God over with thides and good deeds? Manly methods? Not that these are wrong, but prehaps like the animal in the zoo losing their instinct for survival in the wild, I go concerned we might have lost our sensitivity to the spirit of God in all our head knowledge and material possesions, the four large walls of the church we see.
In this past two years I have been on the frontline, I have little doubt that the enemy is not only very real, but it is a supernatural enemy. And if we refuse to operate in the supernatural as we are called to do, thinking we can fend off their firey darts with nothing but our head knowledge and years of historic thelogy, I'm afraid we are woefully underarmed.
In the light of this, has it been a surprise that we are more ready to quote scripture, but less able to follow up on our words? To show grace to a friend or something? Hmm... -
agree...........
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Imagine. Last time people, despite their personal misgivings, respected the chuch in the old days. During the time of God's Generals (Smith Wigglesworth, Maria Esther, Joe Cook and so on) because despite their unbelief, could see the power operating in the church. When the church realizes it's supernatural annointing and moves in it. There was deliverance, healing and all sorts of mircales goin' around as the normal affair it really was.
And this was during a time 1850s-1950s when atheism and rationalism was even more militant then today, where atheists and the like dared to go to meetings, stand up, and speak up against the speaker. But many of who were promptly silenced by the power of God. Just look at the cases of William Brahman and is it Maria Esther? Where pple who dared to challange them publicly collasped writhing and crying in deliverance or suddenly lost their voices and could not speak (undoubtly these pple were changed by their brush with the hem of God's cloak). Despite all their curses, misgivings and such, the unbeliever respected the church in those days.
Nowadays. Even we who claim to be charismatic hardly operate in all the supernatural described in the book of acts which we had been called to do so. When people look at the church today, they scoff at it, basically, they see the entire thing to be a scam. And maybe they are not far from the truth, for prehaps we have sold out a lot to the ways of man in trying to move in the flesh rather then in the spirit. We've prehaps became so seeker sensitive that we've dulled our area of being God sensitive.
Of course, I'm not saying that we should and must follow the path of the gu ren in the old days, or look back whistfully on them and live in yesterdays hour. But we have to go on to the next level in our lives and such. I certainly dun believe what we as a church, esp. in singapore, are being and doing everything God has called up to be and to do. There's still quite a lot of work to be done.
Basically, prehaps the problem could lie in our pride over our acomplishments, where we build big buildings, live in them like a country club and pat ourselves on our backs. Assuming that we've indeed done what we've been called to do. Not that these things are bad, but I think we should open up our eyes to our surroundings. When was the last time we helped change things for a friend? Do we actually spend more time preaching to our friends, not that is bad, then actually helping them? Moving in the flesh? Hmm?