Homosexuality is a mental illness.
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clang! clang! clang!Originally posted by vince69:that will be a lot of hoping to do.....
quiet night huh
brey brings out drum kit and starts jamming... there noisy enough for you? -
hmmm then Ged is sleeping early... its a public holiday tomorrow or should I say today... queens bday...Originally posted by laurence82:just hop down to Melb and have a one-on-one with Ged
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yup, 2am in the morning is early....Originally posted by breytonhartge:hmmm then Ged is sleeping early... its a public holiday tomorrow or should I say today... queens bday... -
i sleep at 4am...Originally posted by vince69:yup, 2am in the morning is early.... 
i am a night owl... hehe -
Poor wife of yours!Originally posted by breytonhartge:i sleep at 4am... i am a night owl... hehe -
what is this .. absence of evidence == evidence of absence?Originally posted by shade343:Jesus came to fulfill the law for the people of our times. WHen he was around, did he say anything that homosexuality is a sin?
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sounds like the serpent to me.....Originally posted by Icemoon:what is this .. absence of evidence == evidence of absence? -
Ah.....you think homosexuality is not a sin because Jesus did not say.Originally posted by shade343:That is because homosexuality is not a sin as what some christians think.
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Part in red....where u get that idea?Originally posted by HENG@:Jesus is God? Since when? I know there are debates amongst Xtians about Jesus being God himself, or Jesus being God's son ad etc. But the mainstream belief, as I understand it, is that Jesus is not God. So Jesus did not say it.
next, I didn't know u're a Jew. If u believed Jesus was the messiah and that he died on the cross for your sins, why do u still hold the OT as valid and true?
Since u adhere so strictly to the OT, I shall ask then, if u do not shave and trim the hair around your temples, if you do not wear clothing of mixed fibres, and if you are willing to sell your daughter into slavery -
wheres plo?
in any case, my discussion with him was not a theological one to begin with. It focuses on the REAL fact that by speaking out against homosexuality, he does cause unnecessary mental stress and misery for the homosexual whom he professes to be showing concern for.
and by continuing to harbour the belief it is a sin, he is also indirectly contributing to the existance of a justification for hate and violence against gay people. these are real world facts, which cannot be denied.
theologically, its another issue altogether. but ultimately, its just not right to gamble with the life of others on your own beliefs. -
from when I attended nursery and kindergarten run by YWCA?Originally posted by laoda99:Part in red....where u get that idea?
Young Women's Christian Assoc.
They always say Jesus is His only son.
oh ya, do u shave and trim the hair around your temples? do u wear clothing of mixed fibres, and are u willing to sell your daughter into slavery?
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mebbe u were educated in Young Women's Buddhist Assoc...Originally posted by HENG@:from when I attended nursery and kindergarten run by YWCA?
Young Women's Christian Assoc.
They always say Jesus is His only son.
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maybe u need to stop speculating. Like that makes u credible.Originally posted by laoda99:mebbe u were educated in Young Women's Buddhist Assoc...
All mainstream churches acknowledge Jesus as fully human, fully God. -
What I know is, all of us are sinners, which is why we need Christ.Originally posted by HENG@:from when I attended nursery and kindergarten run by YWCA?
Young Women's Christian Assoc.
They always say Jesus is His only son.
oh ya, do u shave and trim the hair around your temples? do u wear clothing of mixed fibres, and are u willing to sell your daughter into slavery?
if u sin, dun cast the 1st stone.
I am a sinner, and I am sure many homosexual Christians acknowledge they are sinners too.
I have read a blog by someone who came from the liberal free community church in Singapore (which is gay friendly). I think we have to stick with what is negotiables and non-negotiables in the bible. If everything is negotiable, I dun think God need to remind us what is sin thru the bible. -
Well, u can ask any Christian from Anglican, Methodist, Presbyterian, Charismatics or even the gay-friendly Free Community Church.Originally posted by HENG@:maybe u need to stop speculating. Like that makes u credible.
All acknowledge Christ as God.
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I think Christians should speak out against homosexuality but they shouldn't impose this belief on non-believers.Originally posted by HENG@:wheres plo?
in any case, my discussion with him was not a theological one to begin with. It focuses on the REAL fact that by speaking out against homosexuality, he does cause unnecessary mental stress and misery for the homosexual whom he professes to be showing concern for.
and by continuing to harbour the belief it is a sin, he is also indirectly contributing to the existance of a justification for hate and violence against gay people. these are real world facts, which cannot be denied.
theologically, its another issue altogether. but ultimately, its just not right to gamble with the life of others on your own beliefs.
I disagree with the part in blue. Plo is not advocating hate and violence against gay people. If we accept your indirect logic, then anything goes. So 66.6% of Singaporeans are indirectly showing contempt of human rights because they vote for the POWER OF ONE? -
Somehow, I think the message of love u are saying is different from what we have in the gospels.Originally posted by shade343:Next course of action is to spread the message of love. Stop the hatred and discrimination against homosexuals. BTW, What has the NT got to do wth this?
U cannot water down God's righteousness with your version of love. It will be like preaching a false gospel to the people, love, but no justice. -
They are right what ..Originally posted by HENG@:from when I attended nursery and kindergarten run by YWCA?
Young Women's Christian Assoc.
They always say Jesus is His only son.
Jesus is Shang4 Di4 's only Son (du2 sheng1 zi3). -
Actually, God can wipe us out if he wants, as he has done it b4.Originally posted by Gedanken:So you're saying that God lets sins slide? Let's face it, we are talking about the same God who chucks in floods, wipes out cities and turns people into pillars of salt when he's honked off. Why not do anything here if it's a sin?
Anyway, it's past midnight here in Melbourne, so I'm going to hit the sack. I'll check in on this thread tomorrow.
But he has chosen to redeem us from our sins, so do u prefer to be wiped out or saved?
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Let me check your understanding of Scripture.Originally posted by HENG@:if u sin, dun cast the 1st stone.
Can you explain why Jesus stopped the Pharisees from stoning the woman? You keep on harping on the Mosaic laws. So why did Jesus stop the Pharisees who were following Mosaic laws rightfully and dutifully then? -
Ged still think God is fair, ie. if God wipes out some, then he should not spare the rest.Originally posted by laoda99:Actually, God can wipe us out if he wants, as he has done it b4.
But he has chosen to redeem us from our sins, so do u prefer to be wiped out or saved?
This is not something we can choose or bargain with God.
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http://www.jesuscreed.org/?p=1089
One of the saddest descriptions of Eikons can be found in Romans 1:28-32. Make sure you read it.
And since they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God gave them up to a debased mind and to things that should not be done. 29 They were filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, covetousness, malice. Full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, craftiness, they are gossips, 30 slanderers, God-haters, insolent, haughty, boastful, inventors of evil, rebellious toward parents, 31 foolish, faithless, heartless, ruthless. 32 They know God’s decree, that those who practice such things deserve to die—yet they not only do them but even applaud others who practice them.
Eikons are made to “eikon”, that is to glorify God by relating to God, to self, to others, and the world. And each relation has its own order and rules. When Eikons forfeit their relationship to God, the Eikon unravels and begins to live in its cracks. The cracks seethe with sin. Dwelling there leads to diminishment: mental and moral.
What amazes me everytime I read this passage is 1:28: “God gave them over.” Our God is a God who gives humans freedom to be who they want to be, to do what they want to do, and to seek what they want to seek. Now what is seen as wrath in 1:18-32 must also be seen as discipline at some level: God gives them over not because they make God sick, or because God is abandoning them, but to allow humans to discover that misery is not what humans want. But, as v. 32 says, misery loves company.
This is very sad. Instead of seeing this in some triumphalistic note, we need to grieve over Eikons who refuse to come to terms with God. What Paul makes clear is that those who do such things know that such things are diminishing of what God made them to be. -
Originally posted by breytonhartge:as you say, Jesus came to fulfil the law, so we can agree that the law is not abolished. If the law is not abolished, then by all means as we are living in a world created by Yahweh, His laws prevail, so therefore, homosexuality is still an abomination in the sight of Adonai Yahweh.
I think my friend, it is wise for you not to say too much about things you have absolutely no understanding about. The jewish people are still and will always be God's chosen people, I do not think that God would have chosen a race of barbarians for His chosen people. Think about who are the most successful people? the Jews.
I said jesus came to fulfill the law for the people of our times. Which part of that sentence do you not understand? Laws that are not applicaple today are discarded when Jesus did not say anything about it.
Wether jewish or not is not my concern. Can you say that the people under moses were a civilised bunch? If they were civilised and enlightened, why would they need the help of God and Moses?
As usual, a typical person filled with arrogance, ego and pride. -
What are you talking about? So you are also taught that homosexuality is a sin? Well, all I have to say to you is this. Are you interested in God or are you interested in what you have been taught about God?Originally posted by laoda99:Somehow, I think the message of love u are saying is different from what we have in the gospels.
U cannot water down God's righteousness with your version of love. It will be like preaching a false gospel to the people, love, but no justice. -
Hmm..please define the term "believe"Originally posted by klydeer:Ah.....you think homosexuality is not a sin because Jesus did not say.
Do you believe in Jesus ?